GhostWriter24
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What? How is this even potentially profitable? What do they see in this IP that couldn't be done with something fresher?
Rockstar's Max Payne 3 Could Cost $105 Million to Develop, Requires 4 Million Sold
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Last Hearth
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Quicksilver4648 said:
Yup, this is a very dangerous business model, one bomb can end your company.
legacyzero
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Better be the best goddamn game on the planet for that much money/ for how long we had to wait for it.
chickdigger802
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Curious about the length of this game. MP2 was arguably one of the first titles that was criticized for it's length.
Unless they announce this game was going open world...
Fuck speculations, hurry up and release an actual gameplay footage. I'm still not confident Rockstar can do a good shooting engine.
Unless they announce this game was going open world...
Fuck speculations, hurry up and release an actual gameplay footage. I'm still not confident Rockstar can do a good shooting engine.
Studios crash and burn constantly. But harsh as it may seem, it has little effect on games we get to play. They keep coming out.Last Hearth said:
The trick is to stay out of the games making business and just enjoy the (slave) labor of others while enjoying a more sensible career yourself!
Buckethead
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That's quite a bit budget. Shouldn't be that big.
Obviously some mismanagement going on and the delay was probably only a symptom of that.
Hate to say I told you so about GTA.
Obviously some mismanagement going on and the delay was probably only a symptom of that.
Hate to say I told you so about GTA.
Painraze said:
Probably, and these arent official numbers either so it could very well require less than 4 million to break.
However, just the fact that a game requires such an enormous sellthrough to be profitable blows my mind. The rate at which this bar is moving up, gen to gen is unreal.
I really dont understand it, we hear stuff about Skyrim and The Witcher 2, and those games have great production values but dont seem to demand such a high sell through for profitability. What in the hell is it about console gaming or R* games in general that seems to magnify the fucking hell out of the development costs.
The industry will not be able to support that shit if it keeps raising the way it is.
AltogetherAndrews
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Phonomezer said:Holy fuck, Rockstar really burn through money. Imagine how many games this amount could fund...
Again, some analyst says.
Nuclear Muffin
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Utter insanity. The industry isn't far off a crash at this rate.
I'm tempted to call this a bomb, but the Rockstar name carries a ton of weight (even if it wasn't enough for LA Noire) so it could go either way really.
Edit: Hang on a sec, LA Noire sold over 6 million? I thought that it only sold around 3 million?
Anyone have a source to hand? (I can't believe that 6 million copies sold is not enough to keep Team Bondi afloat - even with no publisher being willing to work with them)
I'm tempted to call this a bomb, but the Rockstar name carries a ton of weight (even if it wasn't enough for LA Noire) so it could go either way really.
Edit: Hang on a sec, LA Noire sold over 6 million? I thought that it only sold around 3 million?
Anyone have a source to hand? (I can't believe that 6 million copies sold is not enough to keep Team Bondi afloat - even with no publisher being willing to work with them)
test_account
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Maybe it has already been mentioned, but i doubt that 200 people are all working on Max Payne for like 5 years and that all of those 200 people gets payed $100k a year each.
Kinyou said:
I thought the video they released was in-game no? Let me try and find it, if i was wrong my mistake.
EDIT: Looks like i was wrong, apologies. The video i remember seeing was http://www.gametrailers.com/video/april-slideshow-max-payne-3/713240, but it is only captures and not game play. But still, i don't find the graphics to be $100 mil amazing. The comment on content is premature i admit, so again apologies.
They still were in development for way too long at way too much cost because of this business model. A huge number of team members from Red Dead Redemption were let go after its release despite its success. I know other factors were involved in LA Noire but I don't think that Max Payne 3 will be able to pull these kind of numbers. Rockstar really needs to streamline their production better so not every game is a huge risk.subversus said:
Bondi's downfall had little to do with Rockstar. In fact, former employees in the recent articles that came out about LA Noire's development said that R* essentially saved the project. With the Red Dead layoffs, a lot of those were people on contracts who were never expected to stay with San Diego long term.RoboPlato said:
The way R* goes all in with each game is risky without a doubt, but I feel like they get some undeserved flak sometimes.
Pachterballs
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can't they control their dev budget? 105 million? I mean that's even more expensive than some hollywood AA+ movies and that's why a grade A cgi budget.
ridiculous.
if it doesn't make money; rockstar has only themselves to blame
ridiculous.
if it doesn't make money; rockstar has only themselves to blame
I NEED SCISSORS
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I'll remain optimistic that it can do it - we said the same thing about Red Dead Redemption needing to sell 5 million and and it ended up comfortably dwarfing that. One thing for sure though is that R* really need to streamline their dev cycles.
AwesomeSauce
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No risk, no reward baby!
They like to live dangerously
Also full faith on R*, They haven't let me down yet besides the underwhelming L.A Noir. R* Vancouver got this. Bully was absolutely fantastic.
They like to live dangerously
so do i
Also full faith on R*, They haven't let me down yet besides the underwhelming L.A Noir. R* Vancouver got this. Bully was absolutely fantastic.
CamHostage
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Grisby said:
Is it? Maybe I'm used to mega-million dollar movie budgets, but at least at first glance, I thought 100mil was not unheard of in video game production. (I can't think of any game that's publicized that production cost though... which is odd because movies revel in their opulence; they also publicize their box office, while the game industry has to glean info from stolen NPD posts because official numbers aren't supposed to be made public.)
Modern Warfare 2 was reported by the LA Times to be $40-50 mil, so I guess $100 mil is a lot. Still, Titanic was crazy at $100 mil in 1997, now that's commonplace. Shenmue cost something like 50mil and that was 1999. The marketing budget for these games tends to dwarf the production cost anyway (again, CoD:MW2 came in at well over $200mil once you factored in the launch support.)
Dyno said:
Maybe. Rockstar is pretty good at maintaining its cache though, so as long as the end result is good, the end result (as with L.A.Noire, which also was a hugely unlikely performer) is that it's good for Rockstar even if they lose money on one product. Plus, if they've restarted that project several times, it's possible they've already written off some of the losses from the production. And once they get this game out, further titles in the franchise /on the engine / from that office will be easier. 100mil is 100mil, but there are plenty of ways for a company like Rockstar to see this as an investment in its future.
Pachterballs said:
Heh, AA+, but not AAA movies? That's about right. Maybe some people are out of the loop, but $100mil for a movie isn't shocking anymore. Green Lantern was over $300mil all factored in; Cowboys & Aliens was over $150 just for production; the four Pirates movies cost $900mil together. Avatar is said to be $500mil when you include marketing. Yes, $100mil is the GNP of several small countries, but it's not unheard of in entertainment.
Mr_Brit said:
Right, there's that too...
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Haunted said:
Wasn't Swotor rumored to cost over 350 million dollar.
EA already admitted to putting in 150mil+ for BF3 this year on advertising alone. I'm pretty sure Black Ops had the same last year, and most like MW3 will have the same this year. You know MS isn't slacking on Gears nor will EA put anything less than 100mil into advertising for SWTOR either.Haunted said:
Rockstar will get their 4million plus. They'll easily have that amount shipped alone in the first 2 months, if not less. It will be their big title to push for the year, just like LANoire was this year, RDR in 2010, etc.