Diablohead
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i didn't get this until i googled the "wine".
If that's wine, i don't wanna see the "cheese"
"That was the cheese? everybody thought that was the beef!"
ok it's really the other way around but it works, from red dwarf 
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Rooster Teeth berate Jeff Gerstmann/Giant Bomb's Fallout 4 review while...
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"That was the cheese? everybody thought that was the beef!"
In the end you can only trust your own reviews though. But... you can look at a lot of reviews and from what they say get a picture of it if might be something you like/dislike. Even good reviews you can note if they take note of something (for them it may not be a big dealkiller so it might not make the review bad but could be for you. For example if I review a game and I even notice framerate, I'd probably mention it but in general it's not a dealkiller for me so it wouldn't affect my reiew. But I know it is for others so I'd probably mention it at least). Or even bad reviews (If they harp on something you know isn't a big problem for you than you know to ignore it. Like if framerate is a huge dealkiller for a reviewer I'm going to ignore his rating on the game and see if he has anything else to say about it more relevant to what I want out of a game). Really the rating the reviewer gives is a very basic idea and you can't get a good idea of if it is relevant to you until you read why he gave it that rating and what he found good and bad. Because what some people will rate a 6 on might be something other people rate a 9 on. Because different people have different deal killers and also things that make them really excited about a game.
In the end though, sometimes everyone else is going to have a different opinion than you and you aren't going to know until you actually play the game. For example I bought Red Dead Redemption cause everyone seemed to like it on Gaf. I'm pretty sure my rating of it though is a lot lower than most of them (it wowed me at first but that wore off and I don't think it's near as good a game as people make it out to be. I think it did have some stuff though that Rockstar took the idea of and made better in GTA V). I did at least buy it for cheap though (I needed a game to play and it kept being brought up as a good one and I could find it cheap so I thought I'd try it out. So, no, I didn't pay 60 dollars to find out for myself, just 10. And honestly, 20 is about what I want to spend on a game I'm not sure on but am curious about. Though I wish I had jumped into Dying Light sooner as that one definitely deserved 60 bux).
dead monkey uk
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Well it contains red wine, its known as Buckfast Tonic Wine. So yes it could be called a type of wine.
SlickShoes
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It's classed as a "Tonic Wine" which really isn't wine, man it's horrific.
I know people that drink Buckfast mixed with Milk.....
Demoskinos
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I think Rooster Teeth has done more to sell Giantbomb Subs in the past few days than Gerstmann himself.
TheAquaticApe
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LOL. I forgot about this mail bag. So smooth too. Love Jeff and Giantbomb.
They were drinking chocolate wine during the Animal crossing amiibo festival thing, too. Wine confirmed. Dr shrunk's jokes were cheesy, too
As a daily watcher of some form of Rooster Teeth content, I'm surprised at how their flippant statements were taken as some form of serious criticism. These guys are definitely not reviewers. They have no agendas. Yes, the larger company made a Fallout 4 sponsored video, but it's not the company's character to defend something they don't actually like. They don't like products because they're sponsored by them, they accept sponsorships from products they like. They're a company that could have easily survived without the Fallout 4 sponsored videos.
The Patch is a podcast where 3 people who are slightly more informed than the average gamer, not experts by any means, talk about their opinion on gaming news. They are almost always wrong about some piece of information, but that's not the point of the show or the company. Their news outlet, The Know, is the only show that focuses on accuracy, because the rest is just for entertainment, first and foremost.
The Patch is a podcast where 3 people who are slightly more informed than the average gamer, not experts by any means, talk about their opinion on gaming news. They are almost always wrong about some piece of information, but that's not the point of the show or the company. Their news outlet, The Know, is the only show that focuses on accuracy, because the rest is just for entertainment, first and foremost.
MassiveNights
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Does vodka and nacho cheese count as fancy?
If so, boy do I have the smoking gun for you!
If so, boy do I have the smoking gun for you!
Why is it so hard to understand that people will be upset when they take a shot (flippant or not) at the integrity of a well respected guy like Jeff Gerstmann? Of-fucking-course people are going to be upset. Doubly so when they are shilling the very same product that they criticized Jeff's review for at the same time.
EvilKatarn
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I'm not so sure about that.
The RT podcast is random and whatever they want entertainment podcast.
The Patch is on their Know channel and is their "gaming" podcast which focuses on the industry, news, new releases. So I feel they should try and get information correct more than incorrect because its their more serious podcast.
It's a very Giesian response.
Messofanego
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I thought Red Dead Redemption was like a 6 for me (whereas I'd give Red Dead Revolver a 7), held back by outdated Rockstar gameplay and design and two-dimensional characters but helped by the setting, the ending and lasso mechanic, but I had to first trust reviews like you do to even look at them and take from a wide swath of what people are saying about the game before I play it. Dying Light would be a 6 again, mediocre quests, combat, characters, world, but parkour gameplay saves it. Then again, price doesn't matter to me as I have a job as it does to you.
Main point is, you still trust reviews enough to check them out, while the person I was replying to can't at all which is a silly stand to take when discussing reviews in a thread.
This situation reminds me of when Penny Arcade criticized websites for daring to give the original Assassin's Creed 7/10.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/penny-arcade-doles-out-criticism-of-assassins-creed-criticism/
Shills, shills never change.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/15/penny-arcade-doles-out-criticism-of-assassins-creed-criticism/
Shills, shills never change.
Messofanego
Banned
All according to keikaku.
I met Rooster Teeth at Pax East in 2011 where I bought a dvd set of red vs blue and a tshirt off them and instantly regretted it because they were insanely rude and came off as stuck up so my opinion of them is low already. I was a huge fan prior to that too. This is just ignorant and bad though.
Golgo 13
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I certainly support Gerstmanns right to speak his mind freely about games, but I also think people should be allowed to disagree (even publicly) with something anyone's written.
Gerstmann and Giant Bomb crew do indeed come off as people who dislike gaming at times -- eye-rolling, hungover cynics who've lost a lot of passion for what they do, so I can see the frustration from Rooster Teeths point of view and it's exactly why I don't visit Giant Bomb.
Gerstmann and Giant Bomb crew do indeed come off as people who dislike gaming at times -- eye-rolling, hungover cynics who've lost a lot of passion for what they do, so I can see the frustration from Rooster Teeths point of view and it's exactly why I don't visit Giant Bomb.
ThreePiMatt
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The difference is that Gabe was disagreeing with people's reviews and giving reasons why. Rooster Teeth is claiming that the low reviews were intentional to be a contrarian and generate hits.
That's pretty good.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
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It's not the disagreeing that's the problem. It's insinuating it was dishonest for page hits or trying to seem "special" for being contrarian.
I take Rooster Teeth's/Achievement Hunter's opinions on anything with a grain of salt. It's a business and they know what side their bread is buttered on. If they can make money off of it, then they'll shill away. If they can't make money off it why feature it in a positive light?
Their fan base is largely teen males who grew up with Xbox/360 and their Halo videos. They thrive on negativity towards to what for them are foreign concepts and ideas. Of course the RT guys would want to stoke their fans' ego by going after the old guy at Giant Bomb who doesn't like their new favorite game as much as they do. It's good for their business.
It's the same reason they give Nintendo so much shit, even though everyone in their offices owns and loves Nintendo products: They can't make as much money off Nintendo videos anymore so why not re-enforce the loyalty of their subscribers by smack talking Mario and co.?
I got annoyed a while back because Geoff Ramsey made a comment about how he was excited for Bayonetta 2 until he heard it was on the WiiU and that he'd wait for it to be on Xbox before playing it, even though he liked the first Bayonetta. But then I realized that's just his schtick. He's gung-ho Xbox because his fans eat it up. His antithesis is right next to him on camera in Michael Jones and his huge Zelda tattoos. It's vaudeville.
Tl;dr - They poked fun at GB because it makes them money, but it wasn't malicious. That's just their gimmick. Whether or not you buy into it is up to you, by its how they pay their bills without being complete dicks about it.
Their fan base is largely teen males who grew up with Xbox/360 and their Halo videos. They thrive on negativity towards to what for them are foreign concepts and ideas. Of course the RT guys would want to stoke their fans' ego by going after the old guy at Giant Bomb who doesn't like their new favorite game as much as they do. It's good for their business.
It's the same reason they give Nintendo so much shit, even though everyone in their offices owns and loves Nintendo products: They can't make as much money off Nintendo videos anymore so why not re-enforce the loyalty of their subscribers by smack talking Mario and co.?
I got annoyed a while back because Geoff Ramsey made a comment about how he was excited for Bayonetta 2 until he heard it was on the WiiU and that he'd wait for it to be on Xbox before playing it, even though he liked the first Bayonetta. But then I realized that's just his schtick. He's gung-ho Xbox because his fans eat it up. His antithesis is right next to him on camera in Michael Jones and his huge Zelda tattoos. It's vaudeville.
Tl;dr - They poked fun at GB because it makes them money, but it wasn't malicious. That's just their gimmick. Whether or not you buy into it is up to you, by its how they pay their bills without being complete dicks about it.
And I'm sure all of not most of us agree that yes someone's work can be criticized. The problem is, the only criticism they had was basically that he scored it low for attention, so people would read the review. That's not an argument. It does not criticize anything he wrote about, including actual problem like performance he had.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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No one should want to be Lester Nygaard.
i didn't get this until i googled the "wine".
If that's wine, i don't wanna see the "cheese"
Watch Mario Party Party 5 where they are continuously eating Oreo's dipped in microwave-heated nacho cheese. It's Dan's concoction and it's vile.
DeepEnigma
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Could not agree more. I remember back in the magazine days before the internet, the scale was more used. There were plenty of games rated from 4-6 that would be 7-8 today. Shit changed as soon as gaming became more mainstream. Bog money on the line.
Especially coming from a place that receives money from said publishers, lol. That is the hilarious part of all of this.
Hydrophobic
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Am I wrong? No. It's the children who are wrong.
Majukun
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never cared for jeff or his opinion,since i don't consider him that good of a reviewer.,.but as long as someone gives him the job of reviewing a game,he can give it the score he wants without people criticizing him for that..if you don't like his opinion,don't consider it and continue just like i do
And Dan won't eat sour cream...
Moon_frogger
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Listened to 2 of their podcasts because someone told me they were funny like comedy button. It was 3 hours of unintelligible screaming over each other. Never again. Fuck them, fuck their opinions on fallout 4 and fuck their opinions on giant bombs reviews.
super-famicom
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I haven't followed this thread since it started (stopped reading at page 9). Has there been any response from RT about about this? Besides that post from Ryan that even RT fans down voted.
I have listened to all but a handful of episodes since it started, so I'm aware of what the podcast's goals are. True, it is about the industry, news, new releases, but like i said, it's not supposed to be an expert analysis of any of those subjects. It is still geared towards entertainment. It's like a Colbert take on a news story vs. a CNN news report.
funkystudent
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Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Damn. Is there any known story behind this?
Glass Shark
Banned
This guy...
dude really thinks he has a point but the internet is doing him wrong
He used fancy words like "salient," he must be right!
I love how we can describe things as "Giesian." My favorite was a few years back when Gies was defending something and trying to downplay his fanboyism until Altano tweeted something to the effect of "I worked with you for X years. You're a fucking fanboy."
Slayed.
PumpkinSpice
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Jeff seems to hates print game media due to many years of online publications having to take a backseat to print-focused favoritism by game PR.
I sort of figured it was because they're always sent old game magazines, he's probably not too interested in adding yet another one to the pile. That or it was just a joke, I doubt he has any beef with EGM.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I remember that story from the E3 roadtrip. That was great.
I believe it was on another mixlr stream? One with Danny so probably the E3 drive.
Can't remember the details, but Jeff/Gamespot had some interaction with EGM and they were really scummy. It wasn't just about print media in general, there was a specific story.
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