Age of consent (or in France's case, the particularly low one at the time) does not equal to dudes cornering women in hotels and insinuating if they don't fuck them he's going to ruin their career.
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Rose McGowan: Ben Affleck is Lying, he knew about Weinstein raping me and other women
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Age of consent (or in France's case, the particularly low one at the time) does not equal to dudes cornering women in hotels and insinuating if they don't fuck them he's going to ruin their career.
broncobuster
Banned
It's an industry where Johnny Depp could smack around his wife and star in Disney and Harry Potter flicks. So, probably not.
CrichtonKicks
Member
I mean she has 37 credited roles. Speculating is pointless.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
This piece of shit produced just about every Tarantino movie. I refuse to believe Tarantino had no idea. Fuck them all
Subpar Spatula
Banned
The scary thing about Tarantino possibly knowing is if Samuel L Jackson had knowledge.
AuthenticM
Member
It feels like society woke up and told itself "spring cleaning time".
not psycho
Member
The troublesome thing about singling out Affleck with regard to Weinstein is that the only reason it is happening is that he said he knew.
Everyone knew. Hollywood knew. To a lesser extent, much of this forum probably knew and didn't boycott Weinstein.
But Affleck told someone he knew. If he gets singled out for that, it sends the message "never admit you know anything." Affleck should have boycotted Weinstein, and to hell with his career. As should everyone else. But we know how difficult it is for people to do that, and singling Affleck out for that sends a false message of how easy it is.
Now, singling out Affleck (as McGowan is doing) for attempting to portray ignorance now is right on the money AND sends the right message. Moreover, if I was her I would feel it to be a personal betrayal when people in my life (boyfriend, friends, people who appeared to offer support) went right back to business as usual with Weinstein, and if they topped that off with fake ignorance, I would be rightfully furious.
Everyone knew. Hollywood knew. To a lesser extent, much of this forum probably knew and didn't boycott Weinstein.
But Affleck told someone he knew. If he gets singled out for that, it sends the message "never admit you know anything." Affleck should have boycotted Weinstein, and to hell with his career. As should everyone else. But we know how difficult it is for people to do that, and singling Affleck out for that sends a false message of how easy it is.
Now, singling out Affleck (as McGowan is doing) for attempting to portray ignorance now is right on the money AND sends the right message. Moreover, if I was her I would feel it to be a personal betrayal when people in my life (boyfriend, friends, people who appeared to offer support) went right back to business as usual with Weinstein, and if they topped that off with fake ignorance, I would be rightfully furious.
Huh?
I think we have to assume that everyone knows or at least had heard the rumors. I just don't buy anyone coming out and saying " I didn't know". You either knew or you didn't want to know.
SodiumBenzoate
Member
193,633 users. I think you might be a bit off on this one.
Yea, this I agree with.
People shitting on Affleck because he knew and didn't do anything, I mean, a lot of people knew. The most they could do is tell him to stop, or threaten to beat him up. (Affleck did former, Pitt did the latter).
People should single Affleck out because he's trying to feign ignorance and potentially look good in this whole mess.
I can't speak for everyone, of course, but the only common knowledge about Weinstein in the wide public was that he was a total ass to people and liked to buy and cut movies up on people.
broncobuster
Banned
Yeah, basically.
I suppose this is the default Weinstein thread now, so here's Seth MacFarlane's statement (he made the joke at the Oscars earlier),
And predictably people were attacking him for not telling others, but victim explained why.
For those who may have overlooked this and are wondering why some of us are being so hard on Affleck. It's not all just because of the Weinstein stuff. I'm just gonna post an excerpt here:
http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/ben-affleck-hilarie-burton-trl-clip-snl.html
http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/ben-affleck-hilarie-burton-trl-clip-snl.html
Can we start with the president?
It's one of those open secrets that you hope isn't true but you know is. How many meta tv shows/movies about Hollywood show a sleazy producer using a "casting couch" to hire young actresses? There are hundreds if not thousands of examples. I'm not shocked about any of the reports coming out I'm just shocked Weinstein actually lost his job.
The first part he apologized, the second incident was consensual and she even seems.... proud of it...
Tarantino always creeped the hell out of me. Would not be shocked at all if he knew everything.
Megawarrior
Member
The person earlier in this thread who said someone (or a group) in power on harvey's level wanted him gone makes me wonder....
DasPenguin
Member
You could've ended the thread right there. I don't understand why so many high profile women (and men) would stay quiet for this long. If Jolie or Paltrow came out as soon as it happened this would've been over ages ago. They were big enough names to take down this guy.
What was McFarlane's "hard swing" at Weinstein ?
Robdraggoo
Member
They actually both come from Hollywood royalty. Steven Spielberg is paltrows godfather. And even then they felt compelled to not say anything. That tells you just how scary Weinstein must have been.
WrenchNinja
Member
Nothing
He's never said anything about it.
Nice shot - too bad it wasnt at the actual Oscars
That was settled in mediation between the parties and its not really known who paid what to who. No one involved is allowed to talk about it as part of the agreement so Im not sure well ever know if there was anything to the allegations.
Who was?
And can we stop accusing Tarantino, just because you always thought he was kinda creepy?
Spiritual_Chaos
Banned
Well maybe he treated it as a private matter because it... involved his own family..?
She also worked with Woody Allen in her mid-20's, among other name directors, so it can be difficult to pinpoint; and without any more information, it's best not to point fingers at the moment without more.
Possibly but that doesn't change the fact that he never said anything publicly which is what I was answering.
I watched that video. Not seeing the groping.
not psycho
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It was referenced on 30 Rock and was an open "joke" at the Oscars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCNvREKTnQc
A lot of people saw this but didn't think anything of it, forgetting it immediately, because society isn't used to thinking anything of it. MacFarlane wasn't joking though.
I'm talking about years ago when he told McGowan that he told Weinstein to stop it. It sends a bad message to single him out over that, because it just tells people not to admit knowing anything. If he hadn't told her that he wouldn't have even got caught with the current tweet insinuating ignorance.
The problem is everyone knew and it still took this long to bring Weinstein down. That's what we need to deal with.
But again, singling out Affleck for what he just said recently sends the right message: do not pretend to be ignorant.
The first part is shitty but the second part seemed to be a running bit between the two of them.
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ben-affleck-fondles-tv-host-video-1202587226/
True, I meant more in the forum and regular non-industry public.
She worked with Brad Bird in her mid twenties too.
Let's not play detective Gaf this time. It reeks if selective judgment based on finding someone "creepy."
I definitely agree with you there.
DasPenguin
Member
I understand this when we are talking about some no name actress scared of her career, but what's the reason for staying quiet this long?
Not trying to put the blame on the victims or their boyfriends, but these big name people had nothing to fear about. Everyone of them could've taken him down. Or is this one of those "hey sorry about my behaviour, let's make three more movie together" type deals?
Vigilant Walrus
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Ben Affleck is a talented director and a sublime hollywood actor. Gone Baby Gone is one of the essentials of the 2000s. It was one of the strongest actor-to-director transistions I have seen. So it hurts to see this.
But in a way it doesn't surprise me. Ben Affleck appears to be very liberal- Like when he is acting like a giant baby on Bill Maher, unable to comprehend basic fucking arguments, but then he'll go around and deny his slave anecestory.
The level of hypocricy- From stroking your social justice peen to being an absolute shitshow. It was you projecting your own narrow mind all along Ben. Not that Sam Harris or Maher are any credible figure on islam, it still jerks the knees.
I'm scratching my head at this. Have you forgotten the Sony leaks? Have you forgotten the countless racist, insane, sexist and non-stop bigoted emails that leaked?
All the major studios are like this- Hollywood is a racist institution that stands up for each other, because they owe each others their careers. They won't go around and backstab one another for that.
And it's not just Hollywood. When there is money to be made, it's just about having a re-focus of conversation of changing a controversy into sales pitch. Chris Brown facing uproar for domestic abuse? We can change the script into a story about how the real victim is Chris Brown, and we should understand domestic abuse because his father beat the shit out of him.
We'll use the negativity to write a script where Chris goes through grief, acceptance, apologies he doesn't mean, and then bounces back. Because nothing gets peoples dicks as hard as a comeback story.
According to Ranker, look at this;
Nicolas Cage;
Sean Penn;
Mel Gibsion;
Charlie Sheen;
Steven Seagals sympathy for sentient beings doesn't stretch to women;
Mickey Rourke;
James Brown;
Gary Busey;
Slash;
Tom Sizemore;
Christian Slater;
James Caan;
Vanilla "Such a sweet down-to-earth-guy" Ice:
Josh Brolin:
Terrence Howard:
Billy Dee Williams:
John Singleton:
Rick Allen:
Glen Campbell:
Edward Furlong:
Calling all Jan-Michael Vincents to go fuck themselves in the 16th quadrant:
... The list also has a few women on (most of them athletes) and many many NFL players, and other people.
Some of these I had no idea about. :I Hollywood protects Woody Allen, Mel Gibson, Polanski. This is just the way things are and seemingly have been since the era when star power began to overshadow directors. But I assume that back to pre-WW2 Directors still probably were doing all kinds of crazy shit.
But in a way it doesn't surprise me. Ben Affleck appears to be very liberal- Like when he is acting like a giant baby on Bill Maher, unable to comprehend basic fucking arguments, but then he'll go around and deny his slave anecestory.
The level of hypocricy- From stroking your social justice peen to being an absolute shitshow. It was you projecting your own narrow mind all along Ben. Not that Sam Harris or Maher are any credible figure on islam, it still jerks the knees.
I'm scratching my head at this. Have you forgotten the Sony leaks? Have you forgotten the countless racist, insane, sexist and non-stop bigoted emails that leaked?
All the major studios are like this- Hollywood is a racist institution that stands up for each other, because they owe each others their careers. They won't go around and backstab one another for that.
And it's not just Hollywood. When there is money to be made, it's just about having a re-focus of conversation of changing a controversy into sales pitch. Chris Brown facing uproar for domestic abuse? We can change the script into a story about how the real victim is Chris Brown, and we should understand domestic abuse because his father beat the shit out of him.
We'll use the negativity to write a script where Chris goes through grief, acceptance, apologies he doesn't mean, and then bounces back. Because nothing gets peoples dicks as hard as a comeback story.
According to Ranker, look at this;
Nicolas Cage;
Sean Penn;
Mel Gibsion;
Charlie Sheen;
Steven Seagals sympathy for sentient beings doesn't stretch to women;
Mickey Rourke;
James Brown;
Gary Busey;
Slash;
Tom Sizemore;
Christian Slater;
James Caan;
Vanilla "Such a sweet down-to-earth-guy" Ice:
Josh Brolin:
Terrence Howard:
Billy Dee Williams:
John Singleton:
Rick Allen:
Glen Campbell:
Edward Furlong:
Calling all Jan-Michael Vincents to go fuck themselves in the 16th quadrant:
... The list also has a few women on (most of them athletes) and many many NFL players, and other people.
Some of these I had no idea about. :I Hollywood protects Woody Allen, Mel Gibson, Polanski. This is just the way things are and seemingly have been since the era when star power began to overshadow directors. But I assume that back to pre-WW2 Directors still probably were doing all kinds of crazy shit.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
It's now Lea Seydoux's turn to come forward.
It's important to note that Lea Seydoux is coming from a huge family. With her grand father being the President of Pathe and his brother being the President of Gaumont (You may now them from Hannibal and Narcos), the oldest cinema company.
So even when you have a relative power you're still going to get attacked.
It's important to note that Lea Seydoux is coming from a huge family. With her grand father being the President of Pathe and his brother being the President of Gaumont (You may now them from Hannibal and Narcos), the oldest cinema company.
So even when you have a relative power you're still going to get attacked.
nelsonroyale
Member
Running away in this instance pretty much guarantees his guilt. Bring him in.
Morrigan Stark
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Regarding the list above, it's important to differentiate between being "arrested" and being convicted.
That said, a lot of domestic abusers never get convicted or even prosecuted because charges get dropped for all sorts of reasons, which doesn't make them any less despicable.
Still a damning list and there's probably tons more where that came from. :\
Regarding sexual harassment, Sam Bee had this depressing/hilarious piece:
https://medium.com/@fullfrontalsamb...or-any-other-giant-piece-of-shit-365b48084d5a
That said, a lot of domestic abusers never get convicted or even prosecuted because charges get dropped for all sorts of reasons, which doesn't make them any less despicable.
Still a damning list and there's probably tons more where that came from. :\
Regarding sexual harassment, Sam Bee had this depressing/hilarious piece:
https://medium.com/@fullfrontalsamb...or-any-other-giant-piece-of-shit-365b48084d5a
broncobuster
Banned
Crazy thing about Josh Brolin is the spouse he abused was Diane Lane, and prior to Affleck they were looking at him for Batman. Imagine how awkward and ill thought out those scenes and press tour would've been.