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going to see it tonight in 3D. how does this work, still with the goofy glasses?
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I will say, Jake is a pretty big dumbass for most of the film and that's minor in itself, but atleast his strong heart overcomes his stupidity in the end.Rash said:
I couldn't stand the 3d for anything flimed. It worked for CG pretty well....but otherwise I was really annoyed.
I watched in Real 3D at the dead center of the theater, my eyestrain went through the roof for the filmed areas, and there seemed to be odd pasty distortion on the textures, such as skin. Looked not unlike a compressed image or reduction in color bit depth.
Loved it overall, although the cheese at times had me at an actual lol....I found those moment entertaining (basically anything with the marines). Also realized i definately hate Michele Rodriguez
I watched in Real 3D at the dead center of the theater, my eyestrain went through the roof for the filmed areas, and there seemed to be odd pasty distortion on the textures, such as skin. Looked not unlike a compressed image or reduction in color bit depth.
Loved it overall, although the cheese at times had me at an actual lol....I found those moment entertaining (basically anything with the marines). Also realized i definately hate Michele Rodriguez
Solo said:
I think it's possible with 3D ticket prices: Narnia opened with $65 Million (a week earlier, mind you), but ended up doing $291 million overall. Avatar will bring in less of a family audience, but it is also more appealing across different demos.
However, I think it's improbable if only because of how Sherlock Holmes is tracking - I think Avatar will still get plenty of momentum, but not enough to hit $300M even with great word of mouth. I say $250M max.
CassidyIzABeast
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73 million domestic
over 220 million overseas
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118012991.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
over 220 million overseas
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118012991.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
Memles said:
I don't know. Winter movies don't follow the same trajectory of the summer onesThe word of mouth on this is pretty good and it will get repeat business so I think it will have legs especially if it actually gets some Oscar nods and if females take to it the way they did at the showing I went to last night.
The women came in somewhat disinterested, like as a favor to their SO's. Afterward, I heard 2 of them saying it was the best action movie they ever saw and there were sniffles through a few of the scenes by many plus the fairly strong, if subtle romance.
It apparently only needs to beat 2012 numbers worldwde to make a profit for the studio and I see no reason why it won't double or triple the domestic gross which should be close to 300 million if not surpassed.
Sherlock Holmes should do well too.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
CassidyIzABeast said:73 million domestic
over 220 million overseas
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118012991.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
"James Cameron's "Avatar" grossed $220 million to $230 million in its worldwide debut for 20th Century Fox, including a strong domestic launch of $73 million"
That makes it sound 220 million including US, not just overseas.
rhino4evr said:
Solo said:
Absurd. I have time and time again admitted to liking things that I have prior to release had reservations about. I'm not petty like some GAFers seem to be, there is no "pity" to admitting one ended up ENJOYING themselves in a movie or game that before they might've had issues with. That's a good thing, not a negative. You people have system warred and fanboyed yourselves to to point of being so pathetic you don't even see that simple fact.
I didn't just spend $15, I spent over a $100 bringing my sisters, my mom and my brother-in-law Jason to see the film:
Do you think that I would say to them "no, I no longer want to go with you guys... I saw it already and it was exceedingly mediocre?" These are just movies. Who cares if I like it or not if my family can enjoy it?
Besides, you say "surprise surprise" as if any of my viewpoints are shocking. As is now clear, many, many reviewers have the same exact opinion I do - that all the meat of the movie, from the story to the characters, were derivative, cliche-ridden bullshit, and you gotta pretty much be absorbed in the visual feast to like it.
OF these reviewers, some could get past it and absorb themselves in what was unfolding. There is some merit in it. But even as an admitted graphics whore I could not get past how bad everything else was. Even EXPECTING cliche, even EXPECTING the poor writing it was beyond all possible imagination. This is James Cameron's most clumsily written movie by a great country mile, and that's saying something since the dude is a fucking clumsy writer.
Like always, I'm amused at the idea that one must accept "dumb" popcorn fun, when there is so much intelligent popcorn fun out there to be had. But, to each his own - the movie has made its punch and now hopefully better movies can learn from it and make its impact.
CassidyIzABeast
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if the article writer's fault.John Dunbar said:
MetalAlien
Banned
Rash said:
I completely agree, except for the Sig Weaver comment. The only actor I liked was Stephen Lang. But the movie itself is such garbage even the wonderful special effects could not save it for me...
This will go down as one of those movies I want to love but just can't watch because of how ridiculous it is, like Starship Troopers for example. Another movie I wish I could like but don't.
beelzebozo
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Rash said:
agree. it lacked nearly every element that i value in a good movie (much less a great one).
and i also agree with amirox, particularly on this bit:
. . . only i'm not amused by it. i'm horrified by it.
The movie looked pretty.
Everything else... below average. Every cliche imaginable was in, characters weren't fleshed out at all and the movie offered a total of 0 (zero) surprises. All in all an extremely forgettable piece of cinematography.
James Cameron made a Disney movie. (though worse)
Everything else... below average. Every cliche imaginable was in, characters weren't fleshed out at all and the movie offered a total of 0 (zero) surprises. All in all an extremely forgettable piece of cinematography.
James Cameron made a Disney movie. (though worse)
PhoncipleBone
Banned
zoukka said:
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Justinian said:
Nobody is happy unless they are unhappy. At least that is how I view a lot of people's opinions, especially online. And it is impossible to like something if it is popular to like it.
Count Dookkake
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Movie is spectacular and I find myself thinking about it often. Might go see again today.
Also, it is nice to see that all my anecdotal estrogen reports have been confirmed as normal.
This movie is going to be huge. I also think it is kind of morbidly funny how it just took a dump on District 9. I mean, that's a nice little film, but Avatar almost guarantees that it will end up being forgotten. There are too many similarities between the two.
Also, it is nice to see that all my anecdotal estrogen reports have been confirmed as normal.
This movie is going to be huge. I also think it is kind of morbidly funny how it just took a dump on District 9. I mean, that's a nice little film, but Avatar almost guarantees that it will end up being forgotten. There are too many similarities between the two.
AgentOtaku
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Just got back from the Cinema here in Landstuhl, Germany
Saw it in 3D and basically think 3D is not for me ...that or the technology just isn't there or maybe I just don't care for it. In the end, I wish I had watched in 2D, believe or not =/
The film itself was fantastic except it was oversimplified in some respects and I would have personally appreciated more exploration/development of relationship of the Navi and Humans, Jake's Stockholm Syndrome and how it makes him abandon his race, etc. ...guess more character and less flash.
I mean, sure the ending is the peak of cinematic action/exectution but at the same time I couldn't help feel it wasn't necessarily needed as a means to an end.
Saw it in 3D and basically think 3D is not for me ...that or the technology just isn't there or maybe I just don't care for it. In the end, I wish I had watched in 2D, believe or not =/
The film itself was fantastic except it was oversimplified in some respects and I would have personally appreciated more exploration/development of relationship of the Navi and Humans, Jake's Stockholm Syndrome and how it makes him abandon his race, etc. ...guess more character and less flash.
I mean, sure the ending is the peak of cinematic action/exectution but at the same time I couldn't help feel it wasn't necessarily needed as a means to an end.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Count Dookkake said:
I wouldn't really call them similar other than corporations wanting to use the aliens to their own means.
I do think that Avatar has overshadowed District 9 for the year though. District 9 will just have to be content being a cult movie, and a damn fine one at that. Hopefully the DVD sales of it are good.
Dabookerman
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Justinian said:
Yup here they all come. Who cares.
PhoncipleBone said:
I always love statements like these. Thrown to get considered agreement from the circle jerk, and yet completely unquantifiable. There is no possible way that any person makes any effort to dislike something based on "popularity." Some of the most popular games and movies of all times are also some of the most loved and popular movies with people on the internet.
Who hates Mario and Zelda?
Revelations
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:lol Some of you guys perspectives are really fucked up. Movie was a treat and the performances was undeniable.
beelzebozo
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PhoncipleBone said:
i like a ton of popular things.
AgentOtaku
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DoctorWho said:
concured
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
This has been around for a while. Conan O'Brien tried out our system when he visited for his old late night show a couple years back.Zeliard said:
MetalAlien
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I like crappy movies, healthy dose of cheese never hurt anyone but DAMN everyone has their limits.PhoncipleBone said:
Shovel fed dogma for two hours in glorious computer rendered 3D. Is James Cameron Japanese? (I know who he is)
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Amir0x said:
To stereotype, MS and Sony fans. Remember, they are kiddie. Yes, I am generalizing. And people do make an effort to dislike things based on popularity, but then after a certain amount of time has passed, sometimes years or decades, then it comes around to love it. And there is the opposite, where people love something because it is unpopular and they want to appear more special for liking something not enough people have seen or heard about. They needed inspiration to make shirts like this:
Great Rumbler
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Here are my impression from seeing it last night on the amazingly spectacular Cinemark XD screen, which is like IMAX but way more awesome.
The Good
-3D looked great and didn't devolve into useless gimmicks with lots of pointing stuff towards the screen like some movies have done. Adds depth to a lot of scenes.
-CG is amazing and probably the best ever put into a movie. Seriously. It's consistent throughout and meshed really well with the live action stuff.
-Actions scenes are really well done, you can actually see what's going on!!
-Acting is solid, but not spectacular.
-Pandora is really well made and fleshed out. Corny, but at times it really does feel alive.
-Final battle is simply amazing. The movies is worth it almost for that alone.
-First hour is really good.
The Bad
-Middle drags a bit and is spotty with some cool scenes and some awkward/lame ones.
-A bit too much tree-huggery.
-Some of the dialogue is pretty bad.
-No real surprises.
-Humans should have won and turned Pandora into a massive strip mine.
As a gut reaction, I'd probably give it 10/10 based on how amped up I was at the end of the movie. Being honest with myself, I'd probably pull it down to an 8. Overall, it's better than Star Trek, better than Transformers, better than Iron Man, better than Terminator: Salvation, better than Watchmen, and roughly on par with District 9 [not as good as the first half, but better than the second half].
But Moon still reigns supreme.
The Good
-3D looked great and didn't devolve into useless gimmicks with lots of pointing stuff towards the screen like some movies have done. Adds depth to a lot of scenes.
-CG is amazing and probably the best ever put into a movie. Seriously. It's consistent throughout and meshed really well with the live action stuff.
-Actions scenes are really well done, you can actually see what's going on!!
-Acting is solid, but not spectacular.
-Pandora is really well made and fleshed out. Corny, but at times it really does feel alive.
-Final battle is simply amazing. The movies is worth it almost for that alone.
-First hour is really good.
The Bad
-Middle drags a bit and is spotty with some cool scenes and some awkward/lame ones.
-A bit too much tree-huggery.
-Some of the dialogue is pretty bad.
-No real surprises.
-Humans should have won and turned Pandora into a massive strip mine.
As a gut reaction, I'd probably give it 10/10 based on how amped up I was at the end of the movie. Being honest with myself, I'd probably pull it down to an 8. Overall, it's better than Star Trek, better than Transformers, better than Iron Man, better than Terminator: Salvation, better than Watchmen, and roughly on par with District 9 [not as good as the first half, but better than the second half].
But Moon still reigns supreme.
CassidyIzABeast
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MetalAlien said:
:lol @avatar being the straw that broke the camel's back
Dabookerman
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Amir0x said:
I know a few people who refuse to play Mario or Zelda games. No matter how popular things are some people will always find things to dislike about it.
I watched the Hangover yesterday, and thought it was bleh.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
zoukka said:
Perhaps we also liked the characters and the way that the story itself was told. It was not just the visuals that sold the film to me, and I am sure others. They certainly helped elevate it to another level. The visual aspect is a large part of film. Would The Matrix have been as cool if it didn't look like it did? Star Wars (Originals)? Remove the visuals from the equation and make those stage plays and I guarantee a large part of their praise would disappear.
Count Dookkake
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PhoncipleBone said:
We will certainly see more from Blomkamp, so I don't feel too bad for him.
As for similarities, particularly to the average movie goer: Mechs, monsters, message, man becomes alien. It's not scene for scene, but it is there.
The similarity that I find most amusing is to Star Wars and its much hated and misunderstood midichlorians. Also, I guess there is a bit of the old "I have the higher ground" in regard to
the taming of the big red bird.
PhoncipleBone said:
Your argument is that Microsoft and Sony fans hate Mario and Zelda. That's your argument, your real serious argument. And that after some undefined period of time, the collective "haters" suddenly agree that it's ok to like these things again.
That's your real fucking serious argument.
You see, as I always say, fanboys of various movies and games and consoles don't have logic. When they like something, they have to believe that people who don't enjoy it like them are doing so by some ulterior motives. It's more religion and faith than reason. It's a burning necessity to have their viewpoints validated by the masses and their peers, and if not they must create these scenarios where people are unfairly judging these products for something as absurd as "popularity."
If you said to someone "most people who hate X don't like it because it's popular", any person who graduated further than the fourth grade would know only a retard would legitimately think that was true. But if you say it in the context of a circle jerk, people might be inclined to agree... "sure, of course, that makes sense! POPULARITY did it, you see." No different than a cult.
Dabookerman said:
There are people who legitimately have reasons to dislike anything. But the reason is NEVER because that something is "popular".
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Dabookerman said:
Yup. That was the point I was trying to make, but I unfortunately simplified it too much. Thank you Dabookerman.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
PhoncipleBone said:
actually, THE MATRIX is a great example to use. the two movies that followed the original are just as visually impressive and striking as the original, but it was the first's strong storytelling and sense of awe and discovery that really made it far more satisfying and praised. it had a great look and some cool effects, but ultimately it depended on you becoming invested in the fates of the heroes involved, sharing their fear of the agents, etc. all those things were great in the first film, and completely fucked in the two sequels. those are also two movies that, like AVATAR, i felt extremely bored by after an hour, if not less.
MetalAlien
Banned
My mouth hurts from having to stretch so wide to swallow the message of this movie. I think we got your point Mr Cameron. Trees are good, we are not.
I just watched it again today, and I liked it even MORE the second time. It's really amazing how enjoyable and rewatchable the movie is when you already know what to expect and you just sit back and enjoy the ride. There are a lot of nice details and stuff. It's pretty amazing how much detail they packed into the backgrounds and just like, random animation and stuff. Normally it wouldn't be that impressive if you just have a ton of extras hang around in the background maintain the look of a big native tribe, but considering how it's all CG, that's pretty impressive.
My mom really liked it, she even loved the music lol. My dad didn't really say much, probably because he didn't want to admit to being wrong about the movie being an overhyped piece of garbage, but he didn't have anything negative to say either. I think he probably had a good time, if he didn't he usually complains pretty vocally. :lol
My mom really liked it, she even loved the music lol. My dad didn't really say much, probably because he didn't want to admit to being wrong about the movie being an overhyped piece of garbage, but he didn't have anything negative to say either. I think he probably had a good time, if he didn't he usually complains pretty vocally. :lol
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Amir0x said:
The bolded was the point I was trying make, but obviously did not think out my wording prior to typing it. (Gotta love migraines). That was the point I was trying to get across, but unfortunately it came across as a little too simplistic and childish. Sorry that it was interpreted the wrong way.
PhoncipleBone said:
Duh. But the technology itself doesn't improve the other areas of the movie. I'm sure I would've been ecstatic over Avatar as a kid. Just like I was with Toy Story and some Disney flicks.
But I'm a grown person now. I've watched thousands of movies. Avatar had absolutely nothing to offer for me outside the eye-candy. People are just defending the other shitty areas for the sake of... well see console wars etc. Human nature or something *shrug*
Count Dookkake
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MetalAlien said:
Out of curiosity, what do you find to be wrong with the message?
I like how people can't have their own opinion and they can't just not like it, and are only hating it because it's popular. I don't get the mentality.
Anyway, I saw it in RealD and thought it was pretty good. Some parts were a bit blurry and that really sucks considering it's supposed to be better than Imax 3d, which I will probably end up watching later in the week. Stunning graphics though. I liked the 3d and didn't really get a headache.
Plot was nothing special. I was expecting Neytiri to sing Colors of the Wind when they did that montage of him training. I got antsy and very bored during the middle. I was looking at the scenery and effects instead because the story didn't do anything for me. The ending parts I liked though, except for
All that aside, I will probably watch it again with my girlfriend who knows nothing about it. Told her it was Pocahontas in Space, ha.
Anyway, I saw it in RealD and thought it was pretty good. Some parts were a bit blurry and that really sucks considering it's supposed to be better than Imax 3d, which I will probably end up watching later in the week. Stunning graphics though. I liked the 3d and didn't really get a headache.
Plot was nothing special. I was expecting Neytiri to sing Colors of the Wind when they did that montage of him training. I got antsy and very bored during the middle. I was looking at the scenery and effects instead because the story didn't do anything for me. The ending parts I liked though, except for
when he becomes turok. I really was expecting them to show how he caught it. I expected more considering this movie is pretty much a tech demo.
TurtleSnatcher
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BoxOfficeMojo has estimates up
For the weekend its saying 73 million.. (Thats it?)
For the weekend its saying 73 million.. (Thats it?)
MetalAlien
Banned
Count Dookkake said:
Same thing I find wrong with eating an entire gallon of icecream vs eating a single cone.
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