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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)

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Saw it yesterday ant it is pure magic. Can't imagine how future films will look. These 3D effects are leagues above everything else. Story and music were good also.

Want to see it in 3D now.
 
Solo said:
No, Ive only seen it in 3D. I wont even try 2D. Thats why Im not gonna buy the Bluray. Im gonna get my fill theatrically.

This.

antiloop said:
Saw it yesterday ant it is pure magic. Can't imagine how future films will look. These 3D effects are leagues above everything else. Story and music were good also.

Want to see it in 3D now.


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What are the chances of the BluRay release using anaglyph? I noticed that there are several BluRay films that use TrioScopic Green/Magenta anaglyph configurations. Coraline uses it. I own that, but I haven't watched it in 3D yet.
 
U K Narayan said:
What are the chances of the BluRay release using anaglyph? I noticed that there are several BluRay films that use TrioScopic Green/Magenta anaglyph configurations. Coraline uses it. I own that, but I haven't watched it in 3D yet.

I find the colours don't look as good on Coraline 3D. I'd be curious to see how this holds up.
 
DoctorWho said:
I find the colours don't look as good on Coraline 3D. I'd be curious to see how this holds up.
I think I'll watch it today just to see how it compares.

Zzoram said:
Wasn't a Blu-ray 3D spec finalized just last week? It should be ready by the time the Avatar Blu-ray is out.
Yeah, but you need a 120hz TV and all that shit. My TV (Samsung LN40A750) uses AutoMotion Plus 120hz, but I doubt that's what the 3D spec is asking for.
 
Interesting thing about the Rottenwatch on this one is that the Top Critics are at 94% while the overall is 82%. That never happens :lol
 
You can still buy the Avatar 3D Blu-ray and when you eventually upgrade to a new TV, you'll be able to get the 3D, but otherwise it'll be perfectly good in 2D.
 
Solo said:
Interesting thing about the Rottenwatch on this one is that the Top Critics are at 94% while the overall is 82%. That never happens :lol

Top critics like James Cameron? Or other critics hate Pocahontas?
 
Zzoram said:
Top critics like James Cameron? Or other critics hate Pocahontas?

Generally for a blockbuster like this, the overall the TC ratings with either be close, or if theres a large disparity, its always the overall being way higher than the TC.
 
Zzoram said:
You can still buy the Avatar 3D Blu-ray and when you eventually upgrade to a new TV, you'll be able to get the 3D, but otherwise it'll be perfectly good in 2D.
What is this based on? It's almost certainly incorrect.
 
stuburns said:
What is this based on? It's almost certainly incorrect.

People that think Fox is gonna slip in proper 3D support in the first video release of AVATAR are in for a surprise. Fox is gonna milk this bitch.
 
DoctorWho said:
I wish I had held for a 120hz TV. :( I'm getting tired of feeling like I need to change TVs every 3-4 years.
Thing is if you did you'd still feel like that, in three years you'd want QuadHD, then polarized 3D, then autostereoscopic 3D, and so on. I wouldn't worry about when you decided to bite on a new set, because it was, and will be like this for quite a while.
 
jett said:
Nikki Finke has now put up a 72 million estimate for the weekend. Will SMIF reigns supreme.

My guess was so close...(75M)

all said in done..that's not GREAT for a movie that cost over 200M to make. Lets hope it has legs..otherwise this will be considered a disappointment.
 
stuburns said:
Thing is if you did you'd still feel like that, in three years you'd want QuadHD, then polarized 3D, then autostereoscopic 3D, and so on. I wouldn't worry about when you decided to bite on a new set, because it was, and will be like this for quite a while.

True. I don't remember TVs evolving at this rate during the Pre-HD era. You would buy a TV and plan on keeping it for 10 + years. Or maybe its just my tech geek need to own the latest technology. I may have a problem. :D
 
rhino4evr said:
My guess was so close...(75M)

all said in done..that's not GREAT for a movie that cost over 200M to make. Lets hope it has legs..otherwise this will be considered a disappointment.

It's good enough considering the snowstorm...but the you consider the inflated prices from 3D theaters and eh...well I don't know. The holiday season should carry the movie to well over 200 million. We'll also get worldwide numbers today, which should be pretty massive.

I also predicted 75. :P
 
jett said:
Nikki Finke has now put up a 72 million estimate for the weekend. Will SMIF reigns supreme.

If its high $72M (like $72.7M), then its good enough for second best December opening ever, which is still pretty great given that its a non sequel, non franchise film with no bankable stars.
 
rhino4evr said:
My guess was so close...(75M)

all said in done..that's not GREAT for a movie that cost over 200M to make. Lets hope it has legs..otherwise this will be considered a disappointment.
ironic that Cameron's movie about saving mother nature loses money because of her.
 
Well, I'm just going to wait for 120hz monitors to hit 30", then I'll bite the bullet. There's no way in Hell I'm going to replace the HDTV I just bought, earlier this year. At least, I'm not going to replace it any time soon.
 
Next weekend will be fun. I think, based on Avatar WOM, and a gut feeling I have about Sherlock Holmes underperforming, that Avatar might very well hold the top spot.
 
DoctorWho said:
I've finally seen it and thought it was a really good film. Visually this is an unparalleled triumph and I think this is meant as a technical showcase first and foremost. The story was good but I though they could have picked up the pace a little during the middle half of the film.

Also,
Cameron missed a huge opportunity to reinforce the implications of what would happen to the human race if we couldn't get at the unobtanium. At the end of the film, I felt this was more of a "natives vs. Corporation and PMC" than a Na'Vi vs. the Human Race film. If they had played with the idea that the human race was dying off and that humans needed this natural resource to survive and prosper I think that would have improved my emotional investment ten-fold. I've seen plenty of movies were "THE MAN" is the bad guy and this felt like another one of those. It never once felt like the HUMAN RACE was the villain of this film and I thought that was what Cameron really wanted you to feel.

Playing up the fact that these people (PMC and the corporation) were just in it for profit instead of survival downplayed the absolute need for this resource. Establish that the humans need that resource or die off and then you have a moral "gray" area that you can play with. That story would have been far more interesting. How far would you go to save your own race?

I think the entire point of making it a morally simple story so to speak was so that we would side with the aliens.

And the entire point of doing that was to get the audience to commit to an emotional investment during the final battle scene; my heart was literally thumping in my chest as the big ship edged closer and closer towards the ... the big rib cage thingy structure.

I just can't recall any other movie that has ever made me felt that way. And this is in spite of knowing that the hero always triumphs in movies (like this one anyway).
 
Solo said:
Its because her avatar's face was EXACTLY her face, but Navi'd. Whereas Jake's wasnt just Worthington's face. They changed his features.

I guess you're right. Was that the case with all of the female Navi? Because all of them consistently looked more realistic than any of the males.
 
Solo said:
Next weekend will be fun. I think, based on Avatar WOM, and a gut feeling I have about Sherlock Holmes underperforming, that Avatar might very well hold the top spot.
Yeah I feel sorry for Sherlock right now...
 
PumpkinPie said:
I really liked the film, watched it in IMAX 3D but found the image to be quite blurry, maybe it was my eyes not focusing properly.
No, it was somewhat blurry for me as well. I know a fair number of people who had the same experience as mine.
 
Saw this at the IMax in Manchester (UK) last night.

A definite 10/10 from me.

Fucking mindblowing. The most exhilirating cinema experience I've ever had. Didn't want it to end - I didn't want to leave Pandora! :)

EDIT: GF loved it too. It's technically sci-fi, but feels more fantasy really.
 
polyh3dron said:
Yeah I feel sorry for Sherlock right now...

Sherlock Holmes has pretty great tracking so far. It might have a great opening.

But then again, it is a Guy Ritchie film, so I guess it could always bomb.
 
Saw it two days ago in nearby Xpand theatre and this movie caught me by surprise. Mindblowing, even my GF liked it and she hates Sci-fi with passion.
 
I finally saw this today and I loved it more than I thought I would. Easily one of the best film experiences I've ever had.

I did try to lower my expectations beforehand, but it actually surprised me with how well told the story was, despite being cliche and predictable. I guess it's more of a case of the themes and ideas in the film that really clicked and worked for me. Everything in the movie made sense in their interactions, and were part of the storytelling. Pandora felt complete, and felt completely immersive.

There were a few moments where it was a bit awkward and corny but you got these in all Cameron's movies. They were heavily outweighed by all the emotional and character driven moments that worked great.

It's kind of a testament to how completely photoreal the film was, that even though we were gasping at the awesome beauty of Pandora and utter realism of the Na'vi while watching the film, not much was mentioned about it afterwards. It was as if we just accepted the place and characters as real. It truly blew the mind.

And the action, OMFG the action. Superlative. There was tension and excitement throughout, but the final battle takes the cake as the greatest epic battle I've ever witnessed. A pure violent ballet of awesome. There is simply no better action director out there. I was expecting to be blown away and I was STILL blown away!

I've find myself like aching to see this again, just like everyone else on here that enjoyed the film. I have a feeling this is true of the general audience as well, so here's hoping this film has long legs. I recall that quote from a press dude who said watching the Avatar day footage was like dreaming with your eyes open. There is some truth to it as the memory of the film lingers much more vividly than a normal film. Luckily I've got Boxing day booked for the whole family, and hopefully I can catch it a few more times with friends.

James Cameron you have delivered again.
 
LaneDS said:
Was anyone reminded of Panzer Dragoon at all? The appearance of the flying creatures and the bonds between their riders really felt reminiscent of the dragons from PD, and I loved that.
Yup, very similar dragon designs. I noticed it from the trailer and it really held up in the movie. Might be one of the reasons I loved the flying scenes so much.

Where are you, Edge?
 
As I'm getting further and further away from the awesome 3D experience and seeing trailers on my 50 inch HDTV I'm starting to really like it in 2D(pretty, HD, bright).

I need to see it again to study the 3D.
 
jett said:
Nikki Finke has now put up a 72 million estimate for the weekend. Will SMIF reigns supreme.
$73m now.

http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/

SUNDAY EARLY AM: Even with depressed grosses because of massive snowstorms in New York, Philadelphia, and Washington DC, 20th Century Fox tells me "we are having a tremendous Saturday" as Avatar finishes -6% compared to Friday. That puts James Cameron's big budget technopic at $27M Friday and $25M for Saturday. With $20M estimated for Sunday, that's now officially a $73M pre-Xmas domestic opening weekend.
 
I saw this last night. Paid the extra money for 3D because I figured I'd be doing myself a disservice for not seeing it in 3D.

Honestly? I didn't really care for it at all. In my opinion, Avatar is a crappy movie coated in spectacular technology.

The story was horrid, cliched, and ridiculously derivative, the characters were non-compelling, especially Jake. The performances were unconvincing (except for Sigourney Weaver), and the progression of the story was generally dissatisfying. There was way too much on the filmakers' platter and it showed greatly. There was hardly any time given to allow me to feel attached to the world of Pandora or its inhabitants. Things moved too quickly, and that says a lot for a movie that's well over two hours long.

Praising this movie is like praising any HD video game that comes along just because it looks good. Even when taking into consideration that the tech is the entire purpose of the film, it's hard to think that anyone can truly walk out of it being satisfied with what was actually presented in terms of the things that truly matter to movies.
 
U K Narayan said:
EDIT: ^ SHIT! DP. Sorry.


Please explain.

First BD release will be just 2D(and/or with shit blue/red glasses), then when 3DTVs become more common a new THREE-DEE version will come out. :P This is my guess.


PumpkinPie said:
I really liked the film, watched it in IMAX 3D but found the image to be quite blurry, maybe it was my eyes not focusing properly.

I had the same problem with RealD. And I had the same issue on Avatar day. I'm considering watching it today in 2D, see what's up. :P

To be honest the more I think about AVATAR the less I care about the 3D effects. I'd give them up in an instant if that meant a crystal clear picture.
 
My original prediction was $300M domestically. While a $75M opening usually means that would be out of reach, Im sticking with my prediction in this case.
 
jett said:
First BD release will be just 2D(and/or with shit blue/red glasses), then when 3DTVs become more common a new THREE-DEE version will come out. :P This is my guess.
Yours and Cameron's (not the wank red/blue bit though, I'm pretty sure that won't happen).
 
After seeing the possibilities of 3D first hand I can't wait for the technology to arrive at home! Good thing I chose Avatar to be my first 3D film.
 
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