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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)

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J2 Cool said:
Oh yeah, his FOTR scene was just placeholder and certainly looks it.
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It doesnt even look like the same model from TTT/ROTK. They obviously were still working out the look at that point.
 
RubxQub said:
Are we only allowed to use that when talking about robots or what?
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Anything that looks like a regular human being actually, be it robot or CG model or otherwise. Being "humanoid" isn't enough to fit what the term's trying to refer to if the humanoid has enough alien features.
 
I think Jackson had a sweet spot for the "tricks" and I love 'em. It's subjective though. Many people like movies that throw CGI anywhere it's possible to save a penny there and a penny here.
 
I asked this before, but he never appeared: where the hell did Busty go? He was even more excited about Avatar's box office than Sculli :lol And yet, he has disappeared the past few weeks.
 
XiaNaphryz said:
Anything that looks like a regular human being actually, be it robot or CG model or otherwise. Being "humanoid" isn't enough to fit what the term's trying to refer to if the humanoid has enough alien features.
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Uncanny Valley was already jumped this summer

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DMczaf said:
Uncanny Valley was already jumped this summer
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I dunno, that doesn't looks so bad to me. I think people forget that movies aren't meant to be viewed on freeze frame. In context a lot of crappy looking CGI is passable. It's like in photography - generally, pictures aren't viewed at 100% pixel ration, so small inconstancies are not an issue.

Also, movies tend to be so computer post-processed these days, sometimes even regular shots look like chi.

Edit: Wait, I think I misinterpreted. You were trying to say that that looks good, and by passed the 'uncanny valley' phenomenon. I guess. I haven't seen the film yet. Regardless, what I wrote above is still relevant to the topic.

Double edit: should probably point out that sometimes CGI can be MORE evident when in motion. :p
 
mrkgoo said:
I dunno, that doesn't looks so bad to me. I think people forget that movies aren't meant to be viewed on freeze frame. In context a lot of crappy looking CGI is passable. It's like in photography - generally, pictures aren't viewed at 100% pixel ration, so small inconstancies are not an issue.
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But that shit was obvious even in the first trailer (Depp). Why couldnt Johnny Depp just jump over the damn thing himself?
 
mrkgoo said:
I dunno, that doesn't looks so bad to me. I think people forget that movies aren't meant to be viewed on freeze frame. In context a lot of crappy looking CGI is passable.
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I noticed it was CGI the second I saw the scene in the trailer, and it just confused the hell out of me. Was Depp really that out of shape that he couldn't jump a counter himself?

They couldn't shoot the scene with a stunt double? It's just weird.
 
Solo said:
I asked this before, but he never appeared: where the hell did Busty go? He was even more excited about Avatar's box office than Sculli :lol And yet, he has disappeared the past few weeks.
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Probably ran off and got killed in the wilderness, like the Spartan he is.
 
Solo said:
But that shit was obvious even in the first trailer (Depp). Why couldnt Johnny Depp just jump over the damn thing himself?
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Was there any proof that is indeed CG? The whole shot and circumstance of that for it to be CG is the most ridiculous thing I can think of. Surely it must be some ridiculous Post work that's making him look like that.

It's just.. it doesn't make sense for him to be CG.
 
Solo said:
But that shit was obvious even in the first trailer (Depp). Why couldnt Johnny Depp just jump over the damn thing himself?
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You never really know. Maybe he had a twisted ankle when they came to do pickups. Maybe principle photography was done, maybe insurance wasn't covered who really knows.
 
mrkgoo said:
You never really know. Maybe he had a twisted ankle when they came to do pickups. Maybe principle photography was done, maybe insurance wasn't covered who really knows.
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But its not a dangerous or elaborate stunt. Its hopping over a bench.
 
Dabookerman said:
Was there any proof that is indeed CG? The whole shot and circumstance of that for it to be CG is the most ridiculous thing I can think of. Surely it must be some ridiculous Post work that's making him look like that.

It's just.. it doesn't make sense for him to be CG.
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Nah the same kind of shit can be seen in myriad of modern films. It's really annoying when there's like one CGI car, explosion, helicopter or "stunt" in a otherwise CGI-free movie. Irks me to death when it happens. It's done because it's cheaper and most of the audience never see it.
 
Solo said:
I asked this before, but he never appeared: where the hell did Busty go? He was even more excited about Avatar's box office than Sculli :lol And yet, he has disappeared the past few weeks.
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Oh damn. Totally forgot about that. :lol
 
zoukka said:
Nah the same kind of shit can be seen in myriad of modern films. It's really annoying when there's like one CGI car, explosion, helicopter or "stunt" in a otherwise CGI-free movie. Irks me to death when it happens. It's done because it's cheaper and most of the audience never see it.
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But it isn't cheaper. It would take a considerable amount of man hours to get a fairly detailed CG version of Depp to hope over a bench. Man hours is money, and it would be easier and cheaper to get him to do it himself.
 
zoukka said:
Nah the same kind of shit can be seen in myriad of modern films. It's really annoying when there's like one CGI car, explosion, helicopter or "stunt" in a otherwise CGI-free movie. Irks me to death when it happens. It's done because it's cheaper and most of the audience never see it.
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It's cheaper to do a CG car explosion than to set up actual pyro stuff and maybe block off a street to film, sure. But jumping over a bench? Seriously? Did Depp just sit back and go "No sir, Mann, if you want me to jump over that bench it will cost you 25 thousand dollars!" or something? :lol
 
Dabookerman said:
But it isn't cheaper. It would take a considerable amount of man hours to get a fairly detailed CG version of Depp to hope over a bench. Man hours is money, and it would be easier and cheaper to get him to do it himself.
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Yeah I didn't mean the Depp stunt, that's obviously because Depp couldn't do it for some reason.

But today it's cheaper to make and render a helicopter exploding than to actually blow it up I guess.
 
I just saw the movie after avoiding all 3D movies to have a proper first impression. My friend and I left with our noses feeling weird because of the glasses and I have a brutal migraine. Also my eyes hurt so much during the movie (I actually had to close them for long periods of time during the end because I couldn't take it anymore). Does it get better the more I watch 3D movies or am I just really sensitive?
The movie was really fun and the CGI was superb at times. At some parts it felt really fake but I can't say if it's because it was bad or because other stuff were so amazing.

Oh and there was a 3D trailer of Tim Burton's Alice movie and that gave me a huge headache and eye pain really quickly. And it looked like shit. I really hoped Avatar would have better 3D and my god, the first scene made me drop my jaw. I wish there was an IMAX near me showing the movie. I'll go watch it again next week with my father who also really wants to see it. Maybe I wont get a headache that time.
 
Can someone remind me
Did the nerdy guy die? I remember him getting shot and crawling out of the machine panting. Did he got shot up when Quaritch was in the mech suit?
 
Where am my box office numbers?

flsh said:
Does it get better the more I watch 3D movies or am I just really sensitive?
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Ive now seen 3 movies in 3D (Christmas Carol and Avatar twice), all in RealD, and the glasses feel better/are less noticeable each time. I think you just have to get used to them.
 
flsh said:
I just saw the movie after avoiding all 3D movies to have a proper first impression. My friend and I left with our noses feeling weird because of the glasses and I have a brutal migraine. Also my eyes hurt so much during the movie (I actually had to close them for long periods of time during the end because I couldn't take it anymore). Does it get better the more I watch 3D movies or am I just really sensitive?
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http://gizmodo.com/5430372/how-to-not-get-a-headache-during-avatar
 
zoukka said:
Yeah I didn't mean the Depp stunt, that's obviously because Depp couldn't do it for some reason.

But today it's cheaper to make and render a helicopter exploding than to actually blow it up I guess.
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Except that it's even cheaper to do compositing, which is what they do, and isn't noticeable at all these days.
 
Messypandas said:
Can someone remind me
Did the nerdy guy die? I remember him getting shot and crawling out of the machine panting. Did he got shot up when Quaritch was in the mech suit?
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No, he ran off with a gun after that point and then we don't see him again until the end when he's standing next to Dr. Patel (sans avatar) as Jake and other avatars and Na'vi watch the humans filing out.
 
Messypandas said:
Can someone remind me
Did the nerdy guy die? I remember him getting shot and crawling out of the machine panting. Did he got shot up when Quaritch was in the mech suit?
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No he didn't die. You see him at the end rounding up the humans.
 
Must be annoying to have such a sensitive head... I never got any headaches during the film. I don't really get headaches at all, though (only when I'm seriously sick).
 
All the "real" Imax 3D experience" showings are still sold out. This movie will have crazy legs. Almost everyone I know wants to go back and watch it again.
 
TDK had decades of comics and questionable adaptations (batnipples), not to mention people predicting fail for the casting, so seeing that powerful intro and performance and sitting at the edge of your seat the entire movie because of all the awe you feel at finally having these well-known characters realized in such a badass way is really a different emotion from how Avatar manages to capture you and make you buy into this completely new universe and mythology. Apples to Oranges but both are fantastic films and I can't really say I like one more than the other.
 
Next Saturday is going to be a fun day. Can Avatar outgross Sherlock? I think so. Even if it doesnt on Friday alone, I think it will on the overall weekend.
 
Giolon said:
No, he ran off with a gun after that point and then we don't see him again until the end when he's standing next to Dr. Patel (sans avatar) as Jake and other avatars and Na'vi watch the humans filing out.
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It really feels like there's definitely a deleted scene there, the way he disappears and then reappears later on is such a jarring gap. Of course, the whole character of
Norm is so underdeveloped, and you can tell there's a lot that's missing from him
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And damn, this is doing incredibly well on a non-summer week. Sure this could be considered a "holiday" week with school out, but a lot of people are traveling and such. Can't wait to see next weekends numbers.
 
zoukka said:
Nah the same kind of shit can be seen in myriad of modern films. It's really annoying when there's like one CGI car, explosion, helicopter or "stunt" in a otherwise CGI-free movie. Irks me to death when it happens. It's done because it's cheaper and most of the audience never see it.
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It's not usually because of cost alone, but also because it's directable - you can tweak and adjust an explosion or flight path without having to reshoot more takes.
 
Combine said:
It really feels like there's definitely a deleted scene there, the way he disappears and then reappears later on is such a jarring gap. Of course, the whole character of
Norm is so underdeveloped, and you can tell there's a lot that's missing from him
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And damn, this is doing incredibly well on a non-summer week. Sure this could be considered a "holiday" week with school out, but a lot of people are traveling and such. Can't wait to see next weekends numbers.
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Felt like Norm lost a lot during editing. We'll have to wait and see for the Blu-ray.
 
Solo said:
Next Saturday is going to be a fun day. Can Avatar outgross Sherlock? I think so. Even if it doesnt on Friday alone, I think it will on the overall weekend.
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I think it will, easily (IMO). I dont see Holmes grossing more than 55M.
 
CAMERON: The other thing that people aren't talking about, you can take an actor of a given age, and you can transform their age. Additive makeup can age somebody, but it's hard to make someone younger. Let's say you have a novelistic storyline where you cast an actor in their 40s, but the first time you see them they're 15 years old and the last time you see them they're 80. This is the Benjamin Button idea. Clint Eastwood could do another Dirty Harry movie and look the way he looked in the '70s. He would still be making all the performance choices. It would be his voice. We'd just make him 30 years younger. If I did Titanic today, I'd do it very differently. There wouldn't be a 750-foot-long set. There would be small set pieces integrated into a large CGI set. I wouldn't have to wait seven days to get the perfect sunset for the kiss scene. We'd shoot it in front of a green screen, and we'd choose our sunset.
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http://www.newsweek.com/id/227737/page/3

That's pretty interesting. Good to see technology moving this far.
 
irfan said:
I think it will, easily (IMO). I dont see Holmes grossing more than 55M.
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Im sticking to my prediction: Sherlock opens bigger on Friday, but has larger Saturday and Sunday drops, while Avatar stays consistent and wins the weekend.
 
giteshpandya

AVATAR makes $16.1M on TUE, -2% from MON, boosting 5day total to $109.5M. 4th pic of 09 to hit $100M in 5 days or less.
 
irfan said:
giteshpandya

AVATAR makes $16.1M on TUE, -2% from MON, boosting 5day total to $109.5M. 4th pic of 09 to hit $100M in 5 days or less.
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3rd best Tuesday ever, after Transformers and TDK.

Transformers was on July 3rd. TDK was following a weekend debut double that of Avatar. (In July.)
 
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