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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)

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Jobiensis said:
Have they achieved faster than light travel? I thought it took approx 6 years to go 4.4 light years.

I have a real hard time believing humans will ever stop behaving in an uncivilized manner, it's in our nature.
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The movie takes place in 2154, not that far into the future. It's made clear that there's no FTL and it takes 5 years at near-light speed to reach Pandora's star which is either Alpha Centauri or the same distance away as Alpha C.

It's also made clear that the Earth is environmentally destroyed and humanity is mining valuable minerals on Pandora because it's stimulating the crashing global economy.

The sheer desperation of humanity would help bring out people's worse nature, among other things.

The way that the movie portrays these things may be more than a little melodramatic and stereotypical, but the basic scenario is not implausible at all. Thing is, the "expanded universe" materials seem to indicate that Unobtanium is vital to allowing humans to travel through space en-masse which may be the only way Earth is relieving the pressure - by shipping people off Earth to colonize other worlds. The movie could have had a few throwaway lines that indicated humans were desperate and Unobtanium is the only way for them to try and fix their mess. Not just a grab for money. (Which it also is, but that's what you get for allowing a corporation like RDA to run things.)
 
why the fuck do people here care more about how much the movie made instead of an actual discussion about the movie
 
Enosh said:
why the fuck do people here care more about how much the movie made instead of an actual discussion about the movie
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Because it effects the sequel, and cinema as a whole, it's not like it's not important.
 
Solo said:
Mine were Jurassic Park, Spider-Man 2 (common between both of us, interesting!), and Inglourious Basters. It actually happened in BOTH of my IB screenings, so I guess technically Ive witnessed it 4 times.
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WTF???
 
Enosh said:
why the fuck do people here care more about how much the movie made instead of an actual discussion about the movie
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Becaue I want a trilogy!!! I want to go back to Pandora/Na'vi!
Not only one movie!
More money = sequel!!
 
Enosh said:
why the fuck do people here care more about how much the movie made instead of an actual discussion about the movie
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1. Films will change forever in terms of tech used. And how cinema will be seen.
2. Most expensive movie in years.
3. It's actually so good, we need a sequel.
 
stuburns said:
Because it effects the sequel, and cinema as a whole, it's not like it's not important.
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Why do people want a sequel? The story was very well self contained and I'm perfectly happy to not have a sequel.
 
DrForester said:
Why do people want a sequel? The story was very well self contained and I'm perfectly happy to not have a sequel.
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I can't speak for people in general, but I want a sequel because I liked Avatar.
 
Jibril said:
3. It's actually so good, we need a sequel.
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I look at it entirely differently. Can Cameron possibly ever match the intensity and obsession required to make the first? What can it deliver that will be different than the first and make it stand on its own? Really, really hard to say. I'd almost rather he leave it at this.

DrForester said:
Why do people want a sequel? The story was very well self contained and I'm perfectly happy to not have a sequel.
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Agreed; I don't want a sequel if it's just to make money; I want a sequel if Cameron thinks that he has another story to tell and more of the world to show to us in an engaging way. And I have no doubt that the intensity required from him to get this made must be draining; I hope he doesn't rush his decision.
 
DrForester said:
Why do people want a sequel? The story was very well self contained and I'm perfectly happy to not have a sequel.
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It's very similar to A New Hope, where it's a temporary victory for the good guys.

While Avatar isn't begging for a sequel, I would say it's inviting one.




And FUCK YES to that.
 
CharlieDigital said:
I look at it entirely differently. Can Cameron possibly ever match the intensity and obsession required to make the first? What can it deliver that will be different than the first and make it stand on its own? Really, really hard to say. I'd almost rather he leave it at this.
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Haven't we learned anything about betting against Cameron? He already has a 3 part arc in mind. If there is more story that he wants to show me, then by all means...
 
CharlieDigital said:
I look at it entirely differently. Can Cameron possibly ever match the intensity and obsession required to make the first? What can it deliver that will be different than the first and make it stand on its own? Really, really hard to say. I'd almost rather he leave it at this.
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The man made Terminator 2 and Aliens. If anyone's going to make an astounding sequel, it's him.
 
PrivateWHudson said:
Haven't we learned anything about betting against Cameron? He already has a 3 part arc in mind. If there is more story that he wants to show me, then by all means...
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Pretty much, he has me there day one whatever he chooses to make, however if it were an Avatar sequel, at least I'd know it would be insanely pretty and very much my sort of thing, as appose to something like Titanic which I like a lot, but certainly isn't a film I would traditionally watch.

It basically comes down to Avatar being gorgeous, and I want more.
 
Guardian Bob said:
First, I Avatarted myself.

Second, this is really interesting:
5 Steps to Avatar: Reinventing Moviemaking
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If that's during Avatar's production, this film has aged him insanely.


The real cost of Avatar.
 
Jamesfrom818 said:
I don't know about that. My nephew loved the first Alvin and the Chipmunks and he wants to see Avatar too. He's 3 years old.
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No offense but a 3 year old shouldn't be watching Avatar. Unless you want the kid having nightmares for the next few months.
 
CharlieDigital said:
Agreed; I don't want a sequel if it's just to make money; I want a sequel if Cameron thinks that he has another story to tell and more of the world to show to us in an engaging way. And I have no doubt that the intensity required from him to get this made must be draining; I hope he doesn't rush his decision.
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He's already said that he has a rough draft for a three movie arc so I'd say he has a larger story to tell. The thing I like about Avatar is the fact that it's self-contained. A movie should always finish it's story enough that it can be self-contained even if a sequel is guaranteed. Too much happens to guarantee 100% that the sequel will come about.
 
Aselith said:
He's already said that he has a rough draft for a three movie arc so I'd say he has a larger story to tell. The thing I like about Avatar is the fact that it's self-contained. A movie should always finish it's story enough that it can be self-contained even if a sequel is guaranteed. Too much happens to guarantee 100% that the sequel will come about.
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I feel this way about every film that is part of a greater series. I would would, and expect, Avatar 2 to end in a way that feels complete, just like Avatar 1.
 
gdt5016 said:
It's very similar to A New Hope, where it's a temporary victory for the good guys.

While Avatar isn't begging for a sequel, I would say it's inviting one.




And FUCK YES to that.
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The movie is actually pretty darn good in the sense that it has plenty of closure for the primary storyline. However, the plot also seems to intentionally leave massive set-up for sequels:

1. Obviously Earth is coming back because they need Unobtanium.

2. Some humans were allowed to stay on Pandora. They don't have Avatar bodies so can't go native. What happens to them?

3. The entire RDA industrial infrastructure on Pandora is intact. It's a Chekov's Gun - if it is sitting there, someone is going to use it even if with good intentions.

For example, if the good guys left on Pandora assume (probably correctly) that Earth will be back in 10 years - five years for the ship of booted humans to arrive on Earth, 5 years years for a response to get back to Pandora - one logical course of action might be to use the RDA facility to build defenses. Vehicles like the Dragon were assembled on Pandora. We can assume they've got a manufactury for making guns, ammo, small vehicles, maybe even the AMP suits.
 
CharlieDigital said:
I look at it entirely differently. Can Cameron possibly ever match the intensity and obsession required to make the first? What can it deliver that will be different than the first and make it stand on its own? Really, really hard to say. I'd almost rather he leave it at this.
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I'd imagine a huge amount of the stress that Cameron and his guys faced was simply in getting the tech to work properly (Cameron had to wait years just for it to be created).

Hopefully, with the tech fully in place, and the world and characters defined and designed (including many of the art assets), they can create a sequel in a much shorter and far less stressful time-span than Avatar 1.

Having said that, yeah, Cameron seems very much like the type of guy who excels under pressure, and there could be less of that for Avatar 2. Then again, Cameron is one guy who knows how to make sequels, to say the least. And come to think of it, there probably won't be any shortage of pressure on him for Avatar 2 since everyone's gonna expect it to be even better.
 
The problem with any sort of sequel is that the Na'vi are a primitive people and can't really be expected to win out over a more advanced foe. If the humans returned with superior weaponry it would be pretty one-sided -- they already nearly lost if not for the corny deus ex machina already present in Avatar 1.
 
border said:
The problem with any sort of sequel is that the Na'vi are a primitive people and can't really be expected to win out over a more advanced foe. If the humans returned with superior weaponry it would be pretty one-sided -- they already nearly lost if not for the corny deus ex machina already present in Avatar 1.
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Who knows though, it would take humans ages to get back to earth, and come back. And the Na'vi now have
a scientist's mind with then
who knows what influence Grace might have.
 
Solo said:
Ive never clapped at a movie, personally, but Ive witnessed the occurance 3 different times, and while I didnt participate, I loved. Something about seeing a movie that totally blew you away being capped off with thunderous applause takes the experience to another level.
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This is so weird because I experience applause at the end of a movie quite often. Granted I go to a lot of premieres and midnight screenings, but just in the past year I gave/heard applause at:

Star Trek
Inglourious Basterds (the crowd fucking loved this movie)
Some festival screenings
Up
Public Enemies

Oddly enough, not Avatar. Must've been the lazy Sunday afternoon effect.

I guess I thought applause was more common than it actually is.
 
Saw it last night, thought it was pretty ok. My biggest complaint was how predictable it was, and normally predictability doesn't bother me that much but when the movie is this long, predictability is a huge, huge problem for me. To me, all the film is, is unbelievable film making, but just okay everything else (story, dialogue, etc.)
 
There was no applause in the theater I went to... I was hoping for some, but nothing. The only screenings I've seen with applause were an advanced screening of paranormal activity and Snakes on a Plane.
 
It's the unstoppable money-making machine! :D

Regarding applause at the end, I guess it depends on the location. Over here people usually don't applaud at the end of a movie, it's just not part of the.. procedure I guess.

And about breaking even, it's still a bit far away, guys. Remember that (according to 'mojo) studios usually get 40% of national and 50% of international ticket revenue. (or vice-versa, can't recall exactly, it's still some distance to break even anyway).
 
FirewalkR said:
And about breaking even, it's still a bit far away, guys. Remember that (according to 'mojo) studios usually get 40% of national and 50% of international ticket revenue. (or vice-versa, can't recall exactly, it's still some distance to break even anyway).
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It's vice-versa. Still, Avatar's easily going to make enough money to break even.
 
FirewalkR said:
It's the unstoppable money-making machine! :D

Regarding applause at the end, I guess it depends on the location. Over here people usually don't applaud at the end of a movie, it's just not part of the.. procedure I guess.

And about breaking even, it's still a bit far away, guys. Remember that (according to 'mojo) studios usually get 40% of national and 50% of international ticket revenue. (or vice-versa, can't recall exactly, it's still some distance to break even anyway).
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Well that's just based on the box office, there is a fuck ton of licensing cash, Ubisoft, McDonalds, lots of other companies paying Fox. However that's kind of surprising, I see so many films that lose money or barely meet budget costs at the box office. Now I'm wondering what percentage of films actually make money for the studios.


Anyone know where you can get the initial teaser trailer in HD without the horrid Apple logo?
 
stuburns said:
Well that's just based on the box office, there is a fuck ton of licensing cash, Ubisoft, McDonalds, lots of other companies paying Fox. However that's kind of surprising, I see so many films that lose money or barely meet budget costs at the box office. Now I'm wondering what percentage of films actually make money for the studios.
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Studios care about DVD sales more now. Box office numbers are a good indicator of how the movie will do in that area.
 
I saw it twice at the same theater. No applause from the crowd. Everyone was definitely talking about it quite a lot, though, afterward (and not the usual after-the-movie talk). I think the only movie I've seen in the theater (same theater still) where the audience applauded at the end was The Bourne Ultimatum.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
A Serious Man deserves to be higher up on that list.

:(



That question about actors using motion capture (like zoe saldana) not getting a shot at a nomination is a bit disheartening.
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It's not because they don't think she's worthy of it (I know a few of them do) but the academy itself is just not going to make that leap any time soon.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
That question about actors using motion capture (like zoe saldana) not getting a shot at a nomination is a bit disheartening.
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Yeah, I was like "god damn academy dinosaurs". Such a shame that she'll be past up for something like that.
 
Like I said, Zoe Saldana absolutely deserves a nomination, but she won't get one. It's hard for her performance to override the fact that it's motion capture (in the Academy's eyes).

At least the question is posed. Maybe next time, or soon, at least.
 
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