Really? To me the plot played as a traditional five-act structure,Karma Kramer said:
and the destruction of Home Tree
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hmm, true. What about a scene earlier, where Neytiri asks Jake to make the transformation, explaining it was possible for him to be a Na'Vi forever, and have Jake refuse cause he is still unsure on who he is... I agree that depending on the execution for the end it could come across as "yeah okay suuurrree" had there not been prior explanation, but I think something like I said, or something else could have accomplished this... you don't need to do it with Grace dieing trying to transform
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I'm not trying to be a dick, but how does one feel a "tremendous feeling of impatience" in a room?
Well, if the problem is withKarma Kramer said:
Grace dying, then it is funny because she wasn't supposed to in the original script from what I was told. I dunno why they changed it up like that, but I guess Cameron felt this was better. Perhaps again to give more emotional impact to lead into Jake's speech
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Well I felt a little impatient, but I think you can tell when an audience is gripped to a scene or when they are bored.
I had this list of tiny details I noticed this time around but keep forgetting them. Two that just came to mind.
When Jake starts the thanator chase sequence, he's wearing one of those neck collar transmitters. I thought that would be a big plot hole, since he should be able to just tell Grace where he is. But it comes detached when he hits the water - you can see it float away for a split second. I missed it the first time around.
There's a moment after Grace is shot and their ship is flying that Jake is moving around on his wheelchair. A canister gets knocked into his path, and he has to adjust, pick it up and slide it out of the way to move through the cabin. It's a really tiny, three second moment but I liked how it illustrated the growing gulf between his limited human body and his abilities as a Na'vi.
There's a moment after Grace is shot and their ship is flying that Jake is moving around on his wheelchair. A canister gets knocked into his path, and he has to adjust, pick it up and slide it out of the way to move through the cabin. It's a really tiny, three second moment but I liked how it illustrated the growing gulf between his limited human body and his abilities as a Na'vi.
There was crying in the theater I was in today. I don't think it was tears of boredom.Karma Kramer said:
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Combine said:
I honestly would have been fine with her not
dieing, I would have liked to see her navigating Pandora at the end of the movie... I think Home Tree was enough emotional impact to move to the final act
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GhaleonEB said:There was crying in the theater I was in today. I don't think it was tears of boredom.
All the showings I have been too have had minor applause at the end, so I guess I have just been going to theaters with tougher crowds heh
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LOL
We'll just have to all agree to disagree I guess on this Grace stuff
... Seeing it tomorrow first thing. I'll examine it more closely then and maybe I'll change my mind.Ah, here's a quick shot that I think wasn't in the final film at the 25 second mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVQC6IUDih8&feature=related
I don't recall seeing Grace standing alone by herself inside Selfridge's office.
Oh, they added numbers now:
I don't recall seeing Grace standing alone by herself inside Selfridge's office.
Oh, they added numbers now:
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So what's the percentage of the take home $$$ does Fox get from the gross? Infact how much do movie studios usually get from the box office? I know they don't get it all. Whats the margin?
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How often does this happen? Where it makes more second weekend...
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:lol at Guy Ritchie. Next week's numbers will be brutal.
Madonna made a wise choice throwing his ass out!
Madonna made a wise choice throwing his ass out!
I think the last major movie to make more on its second weekend than its first....was TitanicKarma Kramer said:
edit: Nevermind, lulz http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/smallestdrops.htm?page=DROP3000&p=.htm
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Dead said:
:lol
PD is standing at the edge of a tall building right now
edit: wheres titanic on that list? oh and fuck the Blind Side... I really am starting to hate that movie
Um... could we have a little perspective here? He's got the biggest-grossing movie of his career, after a long time spent in Hollywood's no man's land, and probably a new franchise. Just because Avatar will ultimately dwarf it doesn't make it a bomb.Count Dookkake said:
(Seriously, I give up trying to be a voice of reason. Not that I'm always good at it. :lol )
Just saw Avatar in real 3d. HOLY SHIT. This is awesome, I saw it in 2d and was blown away but real 3d is the bees knees. Im not really a tech guy but when this comes out Day one BluRay and day one a HD TV. I enjoyed it even more in my second viewing.
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You are the 200th person to say that in this thread. It's not strange when you have that many people saying the same thing.Tater Tot said:
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Combine said:
HAHA! I npoticed that too! The dude was pretty bneefy compared to the average Nav. Especially during the final battle sequence. When he was rolling and jumping from ship to ship. he had more depth in his mass.
With these numbers, I have a feeling Fox are going to make it really hard for JC not to consider moving on to Avatar 2 as his next film...(though, he really will have a true blank check for what he wants to do next...)
...and you have to wonder how he's going to feel about how he will go about the next one considering what an unbelievable reception A1 is getting...
...and you have to wonder how he's going to feel about how he will go about the next one considering what an unbelievable reception A1 is getting...
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I hear ya, but I will still laugh at the douche. The drop is going to be huge. You know that only a few weeks ago he had to have been shit talking Avatar. It must hurt to be so close and then get shit on by greatness.
Oh, and you did fine as the voice of reason. It's just that Ritchie is a twat.
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Movie studios don't get to make demands of the Cameron.Dead said:
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This.
Cameron, please. Just hold fox to a final cut deal for Battle Angel in exchange for A2. We want that R rating.
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This is possibly the best film I have seen since Dances With Wolves. Which is odd as they share alot thematically. Only movie I have ever paid for to see more than once in the cinema. I'm going back for a third time the day after Tomorrow. Im sure its been discussed to death, but man he tells a good story, avoids the Divine Machine perfectly. Nothing is unexplained or not set up, or left untold. Simply astounding.
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What was Fox's break even point again? Was it still $500 million? Or did they lower their outlook to normal parameters of $250 mil?
Theres no way to know based on the script really. He could have never filmed a lot it, and instead written new stuff he cut.JayDub said:Can someone give some details as to what was cut for the rest of not wanting to hunt down a script? Please?
This is the stuff we know for sure that was cut
- Pretty much every scene on earth
- Jake and the Na'vi hunting the Sturmbeest, and the party afterwards
- More scenes with Selfridge (Ribisi) and Quaritch
- Introductions of the other clan heads
- Parts of the final battle that took place at the human headquarters (probably cut early in post imo)
And most definitely more character beats with Michelle Rodriguez, Norm, Grace, etc...
Pic of the Sturmbeest:
From the game, but you get the idea
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It would be a complete dis service if cameron do not recut those deleted scenes with CG. Would be a waste.JayDub said:Can someone give some details as to what was cut for the rest of not wanting to hunt down a script? Please?
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Speaking of the clan heads, the clan head of the eastern sea (I think?) looks awesome. It's that chick with the red paint all over her.
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Yup.Scullibundo said:
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I cannot wait for the inevitable collectors edition. Im a sucker for them. I got the 4 disc Titanic DVD, and demand at least 5, nay, 6 discs for Avatar. Or one Blu-Ray, whatevers easiest. That reminds me, is Titanic out on Blu-ray?
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Yeah I also have the Titanic deluxe box set. At least the film won't have to be split onto two discs this time. :lol
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Nope. But you can sign up for the pre-order on amazon.compseudocaesar said:
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