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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)

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DevelopmentArrested said:
I dont think its hyperbolic to say that Ebert is the biggest/most important film critic in history. Plus hes usually right with his reviews.

Conversely, that cretinous contrarian Armond White is probably the worst.


For any fans of AO Scott..check out At The Movies which used to feature Ebert and that douche Roeper but now has Michael Phillips and AO Scott - both who are very solid critics.
Don't diss Armond. i just do the opposite of what he says and I have yet to regret it.

In all seriousness though Ebert gets nothing but respect from me sure we may not see eye to eye on every movie but I always like reading his reviews. At least they are entertaining reads at the very least. Plus he hates 3-D, respect +10.
 
DevelopmentArrested said:
For any fans of AO Scott..check out At The Movies which used to feature Ebert and that douche Roeper but now has Michael Phillips and AO Scott - both who are very solid critics.
Yeah, it's pretty awesome.
Good thing they kicked those two idiots that preceded them, especially Ben Lyons, man, he was just horrible, the guy write like your average forum poster, how he got to be on a show like this is a fucking mystery to me.
 
Zeliard said:
http://geektyrant.com/2009/08/tarantino-reviews-there-will-be-blood-sunshine-taxi-driver-and-more/

His Sunshine review is cathartic. That last act pissed me off for ruining such an otherwise fantastic movie.

Thank you :D
I can understand the criticism of Sunshine's final act, but luckily it didn't completely ruin the movie for me like it did others.
Maybe it's because I'd read prior to my viewing that the final act was disappointing, thus I was anticipating a huge drop in quality? I certainly didn't feel betrayed in the way that Tarantino did although I do understand why he. and others, may feel that way.

Was very entertaining to hear his take on it although I got the impression that he doesn't like Boyle very much :lol

Now to watch the rest...
 
DevelopmentArrested said:
I dont think its hyperbolic to say that Ebert is the biggest/most important film critic in history. Plus hes usually right with his reviews.

Ebert is not the most important film critic in history. People like Truffaut, Bazin, and to a lesser extent Sarris have arguably shaped the medium through their writing. Ebert is a well-liked and regarded tastemaker for the masses.
Conversely, that cretinous contrarian Armond White is probably the worst.
No way. Armond's reviews are often pig-headed and stupid, but sometimes he stumbles upon nuggets of real truth that every other writer misses.
Shills who string together catch-phrases and empty, barely substantiated opinions are almost the accepted norm these days, and are far more damaging to film writing. At least White inspires thought.
 
I like Armond White when he is reviewing non-Oscar bait arthouse films. The dude is the head chair of the New York Film Critics Association and a curator for the Criterion Collection (I think). Also he said Happy Go Lucky was his favorite film of 2008 and it is in my top 10 of the decade and gave Femme Fatale the best film of the year in 2002 while it was mostly panned but is now on tons of critics' top films of the decade list.
 
AlternativeUlster said:
I like Armond White when he is reviewing non-Oscar bait arthouse films. The dude is the head chair of the New York Film Critics Association and a curator for the Criterion Collection (I think). Also he said Happy Go Lucky was his favorite film of 2008 and it is in my top 10 of the decade and gave Femme Fatale the best film of the year in 2002 while it was mostly panned but is now on tons of critics' top films of the decade list.
Both good films, especially Femme Fatale, which was brilliant.
Armond actually gets it right more often than people give him credit for. I think a lot of his reviews of Oscar-baiters are actually dead-on, as was his review of Up.
 
Roger Ebert said:
And Cameron and his artists succeed at the difficult challenge of making Neytiri a green-skinned giantess with golden eyes and a long, supple tail, and yet--I'll be damned. Sexy.

Sup now, Amir0x? You gonna call your boy Ebert a furry? :lol
 
Roger Ebert said:
It is an Event, one of those films you feel you must see to keep up with the conversation.

Exactly what I've been saying. Some people are gonna have to re-gauge those box office predictions.
 
Ebert said:
Cameron promised he'd unveil the next generation of 3-D in "Avatar." I'm a notorious skeptic about this process, a needless distraction from the perfect realism of movies in 2-D. Cameron's iteration is the best I've seen -- and more importantly, one of the most carefully-employed. The film never uses 3-D simply because it has it, and doesn't promiscuously violate the fourth wall. He also seems quite aware of 3-D's weakness for dimming the picture, and even with a film set largely in interiors and a rain forest, there's sufficient light. I saw the film in 3-D on a good screen at the AMC River East and was impressed. I might be awesome in True IMAX. Good luck in getting a ticket before February.

It takes a hell of a lot of nerve for a man to stand up at the Oscarcast and proclaim himself King of the World. James Cameron just got re-elected.
Holy fuck. He wins over Ebert on 3D in one fell swoop. 0_o
 
GhaleonEB said:
Holy fuck. He wins over Ebert on 3D in one fell swoop. 0_o

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It'll be interesting to see if there is any critiques of the 3D now...

It looks like we could be coming into a new generation of film-making. Cameron did it.
 
I thought the film was going to be pretty damn good, but I honestly didn't think the reviews would that unanimous (Ebert was someone I expected liking it though). Full steam ahead for the hype train...

::Ed - Also, lol at Ebert believing that Cameron twitter account.
 
great to see Ebert scoring it so highly. this movie is an absolutely incredible experience and deserves all the hype. i'm still buzzing from it.
 
I'm still rather confused about the differing 3D technologies and which ones are better than others (and which one Avatar is going to be shown in). I'm also confused over whether it's better to see it on a real IMAX screen or any 3D theater will be fine (it's not an IMAX film, right?). What's going on?
 
Ebert's review says Neytiri has green skin...

I hate this crap with hastily written first impressions.
 
Karma Kramer said:
You saw it?!
i'll quote myself from a few pages ago, i think it got lost :( lol. i saw it at a media screening in perth :
julls said:
my mate and i can't stop fucking babbling about this movie. it was BEYOND epic. HUGE. absolutely immersive, beautiful, exciting, fun, moving (surprisingly) and just awesome in every way. the cast was amazing. michelle rodriguez was great. the atmosphere and world that he's created is unlike anything i've ever seen, i feel like i just woke up from a dream. THIS is what cinema is all about. excuse my enthusiasm, but HOLY SHIT.
basically sums up my feelings still. i'm still on a high from this wonderful movie, when we left and were walking to the car it felt like i was waking up from some dream. i NEVER get pulled in as much as i did with this one. it's an experience, that's for sure. i loved how
it continues the theme of corporate greed from Aliens. ribisi is like carter burke x 100. michelle rodriguez is like a sassy vasquez. LOVED her character right to the end. i also had to keep reminding myself that the world he's created isn't real, it's completely convincing and lifelike.

just 4 days to go til i take the bf to see it again ;)
 
Oh damn, Ebert liking it = hype +100!

Also, I know this has been asked before , but what's the best seating in a Digital Real D theater? In the back-middle? middle-middle?
 
faceless007 said:
I'm still rather confused about the differing 3D technologies and which ones are better than others (and which one Avatar is going to be shown in). I'm also confused over whether it's better to see it on a real IMAX screen or any 3D theater will be fine (it's not an IMAX film, right?). What's going on?
It will be playing in all 3D formats. Which one is best all comes down to personal preference.

It's not an IMAX film. It should be clearer and sharper in digital 3D, but some people prefer IMAX's 3D experience. I'll be seeing it both ways, but no, you don't need to see it in IMAX.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
Oh damn, Ebert liking it = hype +100!

Also, I know this has been asked before , but what's the best seating in a Digital Real D theater? In the back-middle? middle-middle?
ours was RealD and we sat in the middle-middle. there was a small partition in front of us and i'm short so noone could sit in front of me. haha. the 3d effect worked perfectly - i've booked the same seats for wednesday, in fact.

Krev said:
It's not an IMAX film. It should be clearer and sharper in digital 3D, but some people prefer IMAX's 3D experience. I'll be seeing it both ways, but no, you don't need to see it in 3D.
if you can see it in 3d though, do it. it's a very immersive experience.
 
Krev said:
It will be playing in all 3D formats. Which one is best all comes down to personal preference.

It's not an IMAX film. It should be clearer and sharper in digital 3D, but some people prefer IMAX's 3D experience. I'll be seeing it both ways, but no, you don't need to see it in 3D.

As someone who has never watched a 3D movie (Avatar at the IMAX London Greenwich will be my first) can you tell me the differences between Digital 3D and IMAX? What is preferable about the IMAX 3D experience?
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8408245.stm
The Language of AVATAR:

The linguistics expert from the University of Southern California is the brains behind the language used by James Cameron's 10-foot-tall alien tribe in the much-anticipated science fiction epic, Avatar.
Zoe Saldana as Neytiri
Actress Zoe Saldana plays Neytiri, one of the native Na'vi speakers

"Jim Cameron's production department at Lightstorm Entertainment was looking for a linguist that would be able to help him develop an alien language," explains Professor Frommer.

"At that time, it wasn't even called Avatar - it was project 880 - but the e-mail was forwarded to me and I saw it and jumped on it. I was very excited about it. A week or two later I was called in for a talk."

The language enthusiast managed to persuade Cameron that he was the man to create a functioning language for a story the director had dreamt up a decade earlier.

"I spent a wonderful 90-minutes with Jim and at the end of it he shook my hand and said 'welcome aboard,'" says Professor Frommer.

A BEGINNER'S GUIDE TO NA'VI
Kaltxì - Hello
Nga - You
Tolaron - Hunted
Fngap - Metal
Atxkxe - Land
Tskxe - Rock

The pair worked together for four years to develop the Na'vi language.

The director had already come up with about thirty words, for the characters' names and body parts. But he was looking to the professor to give the language an authentic but exotic feel.

Crucially, it had to be a language that could be articulated.

"This is an alien language but obviously it has to be spoken by human actors," explains Professor Frommer.
Professor Paul Frommer
Professor Frommer hopes to expand the language in sequels and games

"It has to be sounds that human beings are comfortable producing."

It is a unique language, with its own syntactic and grammatical rules.

Its creator says some of Cameron's original words had "a vaguely Polynesian feel". Others have suggested that it sounds like German or Japanese.

"It certainly borrows various grammatical structures, sounds, that exist in other languages - but what I hope is that the combination in this language is unique," says Professor Frommer.

As well as creating the language, Professor Frommer taught the actors how to speak it.

"I met with each of the seven principal actors who use the language beforehand. I helped them with the pronunciation, we broke things down.

"I also created some sound files, MP3 files. I guess some of them downloaded them onto their iPods so they could listen to them at the gym."

Professor Frommer spent hours on the set, helping the cast fine tune their alien language speaking abilities.

"I gave them quite a challenge. I found that they really rose to the occasion, everybody had a great time. I knew that it had to be something that actors could deal with and handle," he says.

The language currently runs to about a thousand words. It does not have a huge vocabulary, but Professor Frommer is still working at it. He is also still trying to master his own language.

A sample of Na'vi writing
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"I wish I could speak it fluently," he says.

"As for who at this point understands the grammar and such, I think probably I'm the only one. I wish that eventually that might not be the case."

In fact, one day, Professor Frommer hopes Na'vi will match Klingon, as the "gold standard" alien language.

"There's a translation of Hamlet into Klingon," says Professor Frommer.

"There are Klingon clubs that meet all over the world. There are a very dedicated group of people who meet and try to speak it.

"If anything happened like this with Na'vi I'd be delighted."
 
nib95 said:
As someone who has never watched a 3D movie (Avatar at the IMAX London Greenwich will be my first) can you tell me the differences between Digital 3D and IMAX? What is preferable about the IMAX 3D experience?

Bigger screen, better sound.

Digital had a bit more fidelity in image quality
 
Ebert said:
It takes a hell of a lot of nerve for a man to stand up at the Oscarcast and proclaim himself King of the World. James Cameron just got re-elected.

:lol Awesomeness. My hype levels for this thing are through the roof now.
 
Zeliard said:
Sup now, Amir0x? You gonna call your boy Ebert a furry? :lol

Unlike some people, my like or dislike of a man is not determined by how much they agree with me and jerk my own personal beliefs off.

I think the blue Na'vi are one of the worst alien designs of all time - Ebert thinking otherwise is not going to somehow cloud my opinion of him. It is because he is such a good critic that he demands my respect, no matter where he stands on the issues.

On the other hand, I'm fairly positive if KRAMER KRAMER knew Ebert was going to give AVATAR a 4/4, he wouldn't have made himself out to be a ignorant asshole.

Because for some people, it only matters how much someone agrees with them.
 
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