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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)
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Snowman Prophet of Doom
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beelzebozo said:
Maybe.
Did you at least appreciate that the action was well-shot? Everything else aside, I think that the action scenes in this movie are some of the best of the decade. Cameron is still the king of that, for me.
Quaritch was awesome. I wish he actually had more screentime. It's too bad he didn't get to have his ownliquid_gears said:
Avatar body somehow, that would have been an epic fight too. Hell, he should have had his own Avatar body PLUS a specially designed Mech for it too.
I first thought he Jake was referring tojett said:
not being the leader anymore when he gave up the Leonopteryx
SCULLIBUNDO
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Solo said:
First things first. I want a sequel, but I want Battle Angel before he does anything else.
I want R rated Cameron back with cyborgs using this tech.
Also, DY_nasty is seriously just looking for flaws based on his inability to perceive what pretty much everybody could see without Cameron spelling it out (like we needed more spelling out).
beelzebozo
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oh man, if this movie was nothing but robots and marines, i'd be all over it. but even if we discount the fact that the natives were completely uninteresting visually, the story. . . good god. i just. . . yeah. there is trite and cliche, and then there is this. it's like an amalgam of every cliche from every genre from which it draws. it does absolutely nothing new. even the action scenes, which you noted as enjoying, were chock full of completely stupid dramatic slow motion shots that just didn't work at all. that's to say nothing of the numerous plot holes, the unneeded monologue, and so on and so on. and, there were 180 minutes of all this. wonderful!
pandora looked great though. very impressed with how real the flora looked. the fauna, eh, not so much.
pandora looked great though. very impressed with how real the flora looked. the fauna, eh, not so much.
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So am I the only one who doesn't want a sequel? It worked perfectly as a stand alone film.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Scullibundo said:
Didn't he say recently that he might not even do that at this point? I thought The Dive was probably his next project.
KolosLazar16
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Loved it. I'm a sucker for Dances with Last Samurai stories, and the visuals were transcendent.
Count Dookkake
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Combine said:
Well, beyond overkill, it would not have been in line with the character's ethnocentrism and xenophobia. Recall his disgust at
Jake's desire to complete his Navi manhood ritual.
I love it, this is classic Cameron with a straight forward Pocahontas story.
It's not as good as Aliens and T2 but better than all the rest. And I like that its a true action movie at heart. Not alot of "messaging".
My favorite scenes of the movie are probably the "climbing" part, also the
looking thing.
It's not as good as Aliens and T2 but better than all the rest. And I like that its a true action movie at heart. Not alot of "messaging".
My favorite scenes of the movie are probably the "climbing" part, also the
Star Destroyer
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Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Yeah. He said he doesn't want to do another 4 year movie right now so The Dive is looking likely for him.
Yeah, that was pretty badass, and then heDead said:
kind of looks at the guy who gives him the mask like "huh?... Oh yeah" like he doesn't even care at all. And especially also at the end when he pulls out Jake's big knife and uses it himself.
I wonder how they'll be able to top that.
CassidyIzABeast
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Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/12/14/avatar-director-offers-update-on-battle-angel-alita-adaptation/
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beelzebozo said:
What plot holes? That's one aspect that I thought Cameron had pretty much covered.
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CassidyIzABeast said:
Yeah, but look at the Marketsaw audio interview from the other day. Battle Angel had all that work done before he started shooting AVATAR. But right now he has said he's more than likely going to do The Dive.
I'm sorry, but Cameron's whole portrayal of "The greedy sky people are here for X and they'll do anything to get it" just wasn't what I was expecting. You can't watch the Abyss or Terminator then expect this to be anything close. It was dumb. Really dumb, and not even polished off dumbness - just raw, straight from the soil dumb. 3 hours and unfinished characters combined with pointless events.Scullibundo said:
beelzebozo
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Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
maybe this doesn't qualify as a definitive "plot hole," but i thought it was downright silly that
jake was made to look like some kind of genius for trying to jump on the big bad dragon thing from above. "oh shit, of course, ABOVE him."
DY_nasty said:
i agree with you 100%.
i'm not trying to rain on the film's parade. i was just really offended not only by how completely devoid of any new ideas it was, but by how poorly executed even the cliches were.
CassidyIzABeast
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well he says he'll do movies until he's 80 so unless he takes another 10 year hiatus from big budget hollywood films we should eventually see it.Scullibundo said:
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shintoki said:
How about when Quaritch
catches on fire
stabbing that Thanator
KolosLazar16
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So What's the deals with sequels? If we do see them, will they be far off?
Expendable.
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Anyone see the Pirahna trailer attached?
beelzebozo
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jett said:
the idea that he would be the only person to try this, and that he would present coming at the animal from above as some sort of novel concept, is so sublimely retarded that i suppose it does fit right in with the rest of the plot. carry on.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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DY_nasty said:
I guess that I just don't understand where you're coming from regarding this feeling incomplete. It feels to me like it's extremely well-conceived and well executed, and I haven't seen a single point made that pokes much of a whole in this for me.
Beelz: Jake does have a way of thinking that no other Na'vi can access. Granted, your point does still stand, but I guess I can just justify it in my mind as one of those things that nobody had really considered. My guess is that this discussion is pointless, though. I thought that it was extremely well-executed in spite of its cliches, and you disagree. That's not really a reconcilable difference.
Jake barelyjett said:
got the first flier. He got knocked off a cliff and had to choke the little thing out twice before he could get it to a point where he could make the bond. How in the world did he get the big daddy to submit to the queue in mid-air?
Its pretty important because it means that Jake
is the 6th most bad-ass na'vi of all-time. And without that thing, everyone dies.
CassidyIzABeast
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Dunno what the limit for language in a PG13 film is but Avatar must have been hitting the ceiling:lol
polyh3dron
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Nikki Finke is leading the doom and gloom brigade saying that the snow may have a huge negative effect on avatar's weekend numbers.Kaako said:
beelzebozo said:
Don't you understand? The only purpose of the act was to
rise up the tribe and unite all of the na'vi tribes in Pandora. They were fucking depressed and had all but given up at this point. Nobody tried to ride that beast because they didn't give a fuck. Jake remembered the stories he was told about the Toruk Makto(or whatever). It's a symbolic thing.
It's a beautiful movie. It made me feel like a kid again, watching a great Disney film, it's really the kind of flick that can be enjoyed by virtually anyone. I wish I could spend more time in that world. It's a modern day epic fairy tale, in short.
That said, this was the first I've ever watched anything in 3D and it was a bit awkward. I need to wear glasses, so I had to use the special 3D glasses on top of my regular ones, and they also dimmed the picture which looked quite vivid without them. Speaking of which, I took the glasses off several times to compare the 3D effect with the 2D image and, not so surprisingly, it looked spectacular either way. In fact, I'm actually considering going to see it again only in 2D this time since 3D is so alien to me, it might have actually taken away some of the enjoyment I got from the movie.
That said, this was the first I've ever watched anything in 3D and it was a bit awkward. I need to wear glasses, so I had to use the special 3D glasses on top of my regular ones, and they also dimmed the picture which looked quite vivid without them. Speaking of which, I took the glasses off several times to compare the 3D effect with the 2D image and, not so surprisingly, it looked spectacular either way. In fact, I'm actually considering going to see it again only in 2D this time since 3D is so alien to me, it might have actually taken away some of the enjoyment I got from the movie.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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DY_nasty said:
It's precisely his more aggressive nature that makes it make sense to me that Jake was able to tame the Last Shadow once he was on it. He wouldn't have been reluctant to hit/choke/whatever the shit out of that thing because he comes from a different point of reference than the rest of the Na'vi.
beelzebozo
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jett said:
:lol
i got the significance man. good lord.
alrighty, i'm checking out. i didn't enjoy it, and i had my say. i'm glad you guys did, though.
beelzebozo
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