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Well...Napoleonthechimp said:
It was the ecosystem of the planet that rejected the human presence there and won the final battle, not just the Na'vi. So they'd have to nuke the entire surface of the planet.
Which isn't to say they wouldn't do that. But it wouldn't make for an interesting sequel.
Edit: and Avatar had a bigger WW opening than 2012.
Boxoffice Guru said:
If you take 'crowd pleaser' that literally of course, it is, it's a great film, it's going to please people. But in terms of massive films, it has a very depressing outcome. All the things Solo mentioned, and for me just the idea that he's totally losing grip and going too far. It pleased me, it's a lot better than BB, but it's still a downer outcome.Blader5489 said:
Count Dookkake
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maharg said:
The film refers to a number of events. There is no reason to believe that Cameron would write his 'scriptment' and then say to himself "I can't add any more to this from this moment forth!" See also Lucas and his pilfering from Bush-era US in Episode 3, despite all the references to Roman history.
As for the depiction of large structures being destroyed, there are plenty of ways to do it. Cameron happened to depict it in a way that is reminiscent of 9/11. It is probably not coincidence. Not sure why this is so bothersome to some of you guys. It doesn't detract from the message of the film, and in fact strengthens its universal message.
FleckSplat
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maharg said:
Some people reporting in.
I'm just giving my impression of how I saw the scene, especially with the quotes before the event. Whether it was specifically Cameron's intent to evoke 9/11 and ONLY 9/11, I didn't say that. I said the scene evoked 9/11.
Gamer @ Heart
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I want the sequel to go further into this FF7 plant life force thing.
Sigh. One more thing. I just want to re-iterate the question: How could you possibly depict a structure being destroyed in a way that would NOT invoke 9/11 to an American audience? I mean this in all seriousness. The event is so thoroughly ingrained on the American psyche that any mention of the violent destruction of a building brings it to mind.
SCULLIBUNDO
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FleckSplat said:
WAT.
FleckSplat
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maharg said:
Alright, you got me. I must admit, the ash floating in the air reminded me of 9/11. Sorry to obfuscate the issue so much.
Scullibundo said:
Well, sequel to a film he's directed. Terminator 1/2.
Napoleonthechimp
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GhaleonEB said:
Well the Humans in this movie had mastered interstellar space flight so once they got their ass handed to them by mother nature it was only logical that they quickly packed their bags and never bothered the Na'vi again. I mean it's not as if Humans have had any experience at destroying nature in the past or anything...
I also never understood why the Na'vi thought the Humans were so strange for not respecting nature like they did when they knew full well that we don't have highly convenient natural usb ports to hook us up to a global internet.
Count Dookkake
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maharg said:
Never forget.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eujwxh_r43E
Buildings used to explode.
Anyway, am I to take your shifting of focus to this one point to mean that you at least understand that Cameron is not trapped by references to history that predate his scriptment?
SCULLIBUNDO
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FleckSplat
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the walrus said:
Well, I was referring to movies where Cameron directed both the original and the sequel. Could have been clearer.
I think it's worth remembering that this is a single, large for-profit corporation we're dealing with.Napoleonthechimp said:
One that just lost their entire (wildly expensive) operation, dozens if not hundreds of lives and untold billions in investments.
They're going to make a decision on whether to head back based on money. And while they had access to a militia, I doubt they have nukes.
They're going to make a decision on whether to head back based on money. And while they had access to a militia, I doubt they have nukes.
In other words, I'm choosing to think the ending is happier than you do, because I like it that way better.
(Sort of how the Alien series ended after the second movie.)
SCULLIBUNDO
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Just quietly, Apone's hombre would have taken down the whole Na'vi clan in a week. Even if the Na'vi would wipe the floor with Xenomorphs.
I think Avatar 2 is very likely, just because it seems he's heading for the Dive next doesn't, for me at least, make it seem less likely to happen. I'd rather he do the Dive, then Battle Angel, and give A2 all the time to solidify in his head before he dives in. The Dive doesn't really interest me, and I'm kind of surprised he'd direct that so soon after producing Sanctum. Battle Angel will probably (if it happens) look incredible, but I'm more interested in 'his' world.
Napoleonthechimp
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Well I'd like a sequel to see the ramifications of the Humans eventually returning (it'd take at least 10-12 years - there and back - remember?) which I hope would eventually be a more positive experience.
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Scullibundo said:
Already posted this...so funny. :lol
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Not it didn't!GhaleonEB said:
Sadly. 
From what I read in the Wiki, the RDA is a signatory of a treaty that forbids them usage of nuclear weapons or other high-level WMD's (although the Dragon comes pretty damn close to one). Also, one thing to remember is thatGhaleonEB said:
Selfridge did note that massacring the indigenous would create "bad press". The only reason he signed off on the hometree destruction was Quaritch convinced him he'd do it with "minimal casualties". So, using nukes against a planet would probably evoke a negative response on earth.
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Plus it's the only life-supporting planet other than Earth they know of, and killing a native sentient species is probably not a good idea.Combine said:
PrivateWHudson
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I finally got out to see this bitch! It didn't suck. After all of the hype, I was expecting a Matrix 2/3 or a Star Wars Ep 1-3 let down. There was nothing story or acting wise that made me check out and stop giving a shit. And of course Pandora, The Na'vi, and the action were all awesome spectacles.
Could anyone avatar .gif this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD8EEJepfiY 0:21 -> 0:27 sans the AVATAR splash.
Could anyone avatar .gif this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD8EEJepfiY 0:21 -> 0:27 sans the AVATAR splash.
Don't know why anyone is even questioning if there will be a sequel:
- financially, this weekend has sealed the deal; its going to make a fortune for FOX
- Cameron has already expressed interest in doing another two films
- Cameron has recently said Battle Angel is probably not going to happen
Even if he does make The Dive in the interim, Avatar 2 is most certainly coming.
- financially, this weekend has sealed the deal; its going to make a fortune for FOX
- Cameron has already expressed interest in doing another two films
- Cameron has recently said Battle Angel is probably not going to happen
Even if he does make The Dive in the interim, Avatar 2 is most certainly coming.
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Napoleonthechimp said:
Plus they'd probably destroy/irradiate a good amount of Unobtanium in the process. Here's what Avatar 2 should be:
After sending the humans away, the Na'vi now have access to all of the human technology left behind. They load up the remaining AMP suits with Na'vi, hop on a shuttle, and make way for earth for the final battle.
Seems obvious!
Count Dookkake
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ruxtpin said:
Layering references has an effect similar to the erasing of the race of the actors playing Navi. It stops the story from being about any one specific bit of history or one specific race of people. It is inclusive.
DjangoReinhardt
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This was my first 3D movie and it was an excellent proof-of-concept. I'm totally on board with more movies using the tech - can't wait to see how much better it'll be in five years. I caught it on a proper IMAX screen, so I'm curious how much that enhanced the experience compared to a non-IMAX 3D viewing or seeing it in 2D . . .
All in all, it was a mediocre movie with some imaginative visuals. I enjoyed all of the time when I was watching the aliens run around doing alien things on alien terrain. Beyond that, though, I thought the writing was videogame-caliber stuff.
All in all, it was a mediocre movie with some imaginative visuals. I enjoyed all of the time when I was watching the aliens run around doing alien things on alien terrain. Beyond that, though, I thought the writing was videogame-caliber stuff.
BruceLeeRoy
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Because Pandora was easily the most beautifully realized place I have ever seen I am all for them returning to the planet.
Well put I would like to think that's how things ended.
GhaleonEB said:I think it's worth remembering that this is a single, large for-profit corporation we're dealing with.One that just lost their entire (wildly expensive) operation, dozens if not hundreds of lives and untold billions in investments.
They're going to make a decision on whether to head back based on money. And while they had access to a militia, I doubt they have nukes.
In other words, I'm choosing to think the ending is happier than you do, because I like it that way better.
(Sort of how the Alien series ended after the second movie.)
Well put I would like to think that's how things ended.
Napoleonthechimp
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I've always found it funny that people judge a movie's success by it's domestic takings when things like this invariably make 2-3 times more money overseas.
MisterAnderson
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I'm sure this has been posted, but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf2_2iIX3Zo
It touches on what Unobtanium does/how the halleluleah mountains float (which I felt was subtly implied). Just a reasonably interesting featurette thingy.
It touches on what Unobtanium does/how the halleluleah mountains float (which I felt was subtly implied). Just a reasonably interesting featurette thingy.
BruceLeeRoy
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jett said:
Do they have plans for something new in the pipeline? For theaters I mean.
Another big reason, it'll be cheaper, and quicker to make. Like a video game, a lot of this projects costs and time came from CG asset production, it's done. If he wanted to, he could have A2 out next xmas. I think 2012 is more likely (with Titanic probably being xmas '11).Solo said:
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I really hope there will be at least one sequel. Not because I feel that the story feels incomplete (the ending felt completely satisfying), but simply because I want to experience more of the fantastic world of Pandora and the lives of the Na'avi.
I could definitely see for the sequel there not being much in the way ofRoadHazard said:
human involvement and it would just be primarily more exploration of Pandora (the hinted at underworld), more detail on the Na'vi culture and more of the relationship with Jake/Neytiri, which I think is what most audiences would wish for. Then for the third movie you can have humanity return (allowing for the time skip) and by then audiences will be ready for another epic battle
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stuburns said:
Are you talking about the 3D conversion? How are they even going to do that? The source material is surely all regular 2D film, so there are no slightly shifted shots with which to create a 3D version. Are they going to "cut around the edges" of people and things in order to place them at different spots on the Z axis? That still won't make the actual people and things 3D, it'll just make them look like cardboard cutouts. Am I missing some amazing technology which can magically make 2D material into 3D?
What's the reason for the lower light levels with 3D? Is it to force a stronger mesopic state because the 24fps are even less satisfactory?
'Dimensionalization' is basically making 3D models of everything in your 2D frame and warping the images around them. You don't cut out Kate Winslet and make her 2D but in front of the sofa while behind the drawing, you have to model her body in 3D, along with the sofa etc.
RoadHazard said:
'Dimensionalization' is basically making 3D models of everything in your 2D frame and warping the images around them. You don't cut out Kate Winslet and make her 2D but in front of the sofa while behind the drawing, you have to model her body in 3D, along with the sofa etc.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Solo said:
No, Cameron has recently said Battle Angel probably isn't going to happen NEXT. He's still done at least a year of pre on Battle Angel and loves it, he just doesn't want to jump into another 4 year production right away. He said The Dive is most likely going to be his next film, which should probably take 18 months or so from beginning to end of production.
Few interesting tidbits;
- Biggest WW opening EVER for a non-franchise. The only movies which had bigger WW openings are HP6, SM3 & PoTC3.
- Cinemascore of Avatar is A (across all demos), which is the only "blockbuster" movie after TDK to have achieved that score. (I'm not sure TDK got the score across all demos)
- Some Fox execs are expecting 2nd weekend to be as big as the first.
BruceLeeRoy
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jett said:Doesn't seem so. :| It's quite possilbe 3DTVs will end up being better than RealD/Dolby3D crap.Specially when the autostereoscopic ones come. One day. And then all shall be good.
I just want some 3D glasses that don't have a black frame that I constantly have to put up with. In other words give me these:
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