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TacticalFox88 said:
OMFG, Dragons (or whatever those flying things are called) vs Helicopters was fucking amazing. Want to see this on my 50" Bravia. FUCK I can't wait till Blu-Ray.

Yeah. I've got a 40" Samsung and can't wait till' this is out on blu. It's funny, because I was a little bit skeptical of gaming and watching movies in 3D, but this movie has sold me. My next TV is going to be bigger, and sure as hell will support whatever becomes the 3D standard. I want that same experience in my living room, and I can't wait till' it's a standard in gaming.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
OMFG, Dragons (or whatever those flying things are called) vs Helicopters was fucking amazing. Want to see this on my 50" Bravia. FUCK I can't wait till Blu-Ray.
After the movie I had the same thought, and then remembered a line from the huge Cameron story in the New Yorker back in October (which has spoilers) in which he boils Avatar down to its essence:

Cameron looked around excitedly as the machine guns started to rattle and shells popped off in every direction. He snapped his fingers nervously. The acrid smell of gun smoke filled the air. Pointing to his left forearm, he said, “I have a piece of shrapnel right here from ‘Terminator 2’ that never came out.” Tiny, tight smile. “We made up the three barrel guns,” he said. “The two waist guns are .30-calibre machine guns modified for the movie. It’s an older model, a Vietnam-era M60. The idea is that Pandora has such a hot, humid climate, with incredibly powerful magnetic fields, that they can’t use sophisticated energy weapons. A lot of the equipment is retrofitted, from their perspective, because it works on Pandora. So you’ve got vehicles that are more consistent with twentieth-century warfare.” His face was flushed and happy. “It’s all just an excuse to do helicopters versus pterodactyls,” he said.
 
mysticwhip said:
When the navi talk it not sopposed to have english subtitles right?
Sometimes they're there, sometimes not, depending on the context.

Reminded me actually, my only complaint with the preview was the really poor subtitle placement, and they fixed it for the film, very cool.
 
Question: my wife wears glasses. I have a contact lens in my left eye. How is 3D going to work for us? Anyone else with vision issues seen Avatar? How do the 3D glasses work with regular glasses?
 
RSTEIN said:
Question: my wife wears glasses. I have a contact lens in my left eye. How is 3D going to work for us? Anyone else with vision issues seen Avatar? How do the 3D glasses work with regular glasses?
I have no eye issues, but you can put the glasses over the glasses.
 
Akira said:
Where do you live? I believe your theater might be an XpanD Cinema theater, judging from the logo. Check out their website and see if your theater is on their list.

http://www.xpandcinema.com/

Someone commented on a a blog post and actually said that XpanD is the best 3D system because of its active 3D glasses.


Thanks a lot! Yeah my theatre is on that list but this Xpand seems to be a minority thing. I hadnt even heard of it until this post, so confused with all the 3d theaters now! Post-poned mine till next week but im excited for it.
 
RSTEIN said:
Question: my wife wears glasses. I have a contact lens in my left eye. How is 3D going to work for us? Anyone else with vision issues seen Avatar? How do the 3D glasses work with regular glasses?

My roommate and I went, he wears glasses, he just wore the 3d glasses over the top of his own glasses and he was fine.
 
Meier said:
Looks like it was severely underestimated -- did $77m.. just missed the December record by $150k. Bummer.

Evidence that the legs will be amazing... it did $24 on Sunday which was just a 3% drop from Saturday which fell 4% from Friday despite the snowstorm closing a ton of theatres. Typically the Sunday drop is about 15-20% from Saturday which was why the original estimate of $73.

I am going to predict a 10-20 percent drop week over week. I know it's unheard of but Snowstorm + Holiday Weekend + word of mouth is going to be huge. I think it can pull in 60 million next weekend.

All of my coworkers were asking me about the movie. They never care about the movies I see. I told them all they have to go watch this one in 3d. Several of them are planning on seeing it this week.

Movies have been hurting in theaters because most people are happy to wait for the DVD. This is the first movie in a while that the spectacle of the thing is worth seeing in theaters multiple times.
 
StoOgE said:
Movies have been hurting in theaters because most people are happy to wait for the DVD. This is the first movie in a while that the spectacle of the thing is worth seeing in theaters multiple times.
It's interesting, I keep hearing the big push for 3D is to get people back to the cinema, that being the case, why so much pressure on 3D support of TVs next year along with 3D BluRay players? Surely any theatre resurgence will be short lived because we'll have 3D at home soon enough.
 
StoOgE said:
I am going to predict a 10-20 percent drop week over week. I know it's unheard of but Snowstorm + Holiday Weekend + word of mouth is going to be huge. I think it can pull in 60 million next weekend.

All of my coworkers were asking me about the movie. They never care about the movies I see. I told them all they have to go watch this one in 3d. Several of them are planning on seeing it this week.

Movies have been hurting in theaters because most people are happy to wait for the DVD. This is the first movie in a while that the spectacle of the thing is worth seeing in theaters multiple times.
I just decided I'm hauling my older daughter to it next weekend (in 3D). If my wife vetoes that, I'm going solo. I haven't been able to stop thinking about the movie, or more specifically how the movie made me feel watching it.
stuburns said:
It's interesting, I keep hearing the big push for 3D is to get people back to the cinema, that being the case, why so much pressure on 3D support of TVs next year along with 3D BluRay players? Surely any theatre resurgence will be short lived because we'll have 3D at home soon enough.
That push is coming from filmmakers like Cameron who want their vision preserved at home, and from the consumer electronics companies who want to sell new hardware.

Not from theater owners.
 
RSTEIN said:
Question: my wife wears glasses. I have a contact lens in my left eye. How is 3D going to work for us? Anyone else with vision issues seen Avatar? How do the 3D glasses work with regular glasses?

You should be fine. My bf wore his over his normal glasses, and I was in contacts. It wasn't as sharp as I was expecting, but I do have a slight astigmatism that isn't corrected with my contacts.
 
I just saw it again for the second time. This time I saw it in Imax. Damn, they did a good job in this movie, especially with Naytiri. She's my favorite character out of the movie. I might see it again a 3rd time in a week or two once the crowds settle down some. As plain as the story is, I'm glad they had something like this come out. It's that movie magic I haven't felt for years that I forgot I missed. I sound like a nerd, but I'm grateful this movie came out to remind me of what I was missing. It's the best movie I've seen in a long time and I can't even put my finger on what made it so special. I thinks it's just all the elements coming together so polished and the presentation of the story that make it stand out. Great film.
 
stuburns said:
It's interesting, I keep hearing the big push for 3D is to get people back to the cinema, that being the case, why so much pressure on 3D support of TVs next year along with 3D BluRay players? Surely any theatre resurgence will be short lived because we'll have 3D at home soon enough.

Because TV makers are looking for a reason to get everyone to replace their shiny new HDTV's. Sony and the BluRay group are looking for yet another reason to get people to buy into BluRay..

and the studios are looking for a reason to charge a premium for BRD content. They are already getting 10 dollars more per movie for BRD. I am sure they are seeing 35-40 dollar prices for the 3d versions of their movies.

The theaters probably aren't happy about it, but what are they going to do? Smellovision?

If they can get a TV that looks as good as my Kuro and does good 3d I'll be all over it though.
 
On an unrelated note, one of my friends saw it this weekend. He and his wife were supposed to go see it with me, but I bailed on them and saw it earlier in the day (I was off work and couldn't wait).

I was talking to him today and he was talking about how amazing the movie looked, and how much he loved it.

I said "yeah, the 3d was amazing too".

"Wait, what 3d?"

"Wait, you didn't see it in 3d"

"MOTHER FUCKER, I thought it was supposed to be in 3d".

He then pulled up Fandango and I showed him how they had the movie listed twice. In 3d and regular.

We're going to go see it next week sometime :lol
 
RSTEIN said:
Question: my wife wears glasses. I have a contact lens in my left eye. How is 3D going to work for us? Anyone else with vision issues seen Avatar? How do the 3D glasses work with regular glasses?

It was fine for me and my friend (he wore his glasses and I wore my contacts) when we saw it in IMAX. Everything looked really natural, so there was no distraction when we saw it.
 
GhaleonEB said:
That push is coming from filmmakers like Cameron who want their vision preserved at home, and from the consumer electronics companies who want to sell new hardware.

Not from theater owners.
Cameron has talked about Avatar's budget being partly because of the push of 3D getting people back into the cinema. That would seem to me, by the time he has his next big film out, a lot of people will be 3D'd up at home. It's a viscous cycle I think.

To Solo, my second viewing was a lot more impressive too, I can't wait to see what I think on a third try tomorrow.
 
Even more mindblowingly incredible the second time. It really sunk in this time what a staggering achievement this is. Cameron raised the bar in so many areas that his contemporaries are going to be scratching their heads for years to come. I've seen the movie twice now, and will see it at least once more theatrically, and I still cannot put into words cogently what my thoughts on the movie are. There are a million different things to talk about that its hard to paint an overall picture. *soooogood.gif*

I need to revise my Top Ten of 2009 list, because Avatar deserves a spot in at least the Top 5.

And heres an anecdotal nugget: my showing was at 5:45, as in dinner time, and it was sold out. On a Monday. Jesus, this sumbitch gonna have legs.
 
I think I'm gonna go see it on Wed night. I want to get in a 2nd showing before the weekend/Xmas rush. It's also matinee all day prices at the local Regals so I should be able to get a 3d ticket for a reasonable amount.

I also think Sherlock Holmes is walking into a buzzsaw.
 
Im going into Avacrack withdrawals. Need to see it a 3rd time :(

Wonder how many times it has it been for Sculli so far
 
GhaleonEB said:
I just decided I'm hauling my older daughter to it next weekend (in 3D). If my wife vetoes that, I'm going solo. I haven't been able to stop thinking about the movie, or more specifically how the movie made me feel watching it.

This is exactly what me and my friend were talking about after we saw the movie. I really have a hard time describing exactly how it made me feel expect that I cared about the characters and this world over the course of 3 hours as deeply as I would if Avatar had been a 800pg book. I was mildly hyped about the movie mostly just because it was James Cameron so it surprised me how much I continue to think about it. About halfway through the movie every time some huge spectacle would finish I would just think please don't be over please don't be over.

After my second viewing it stands among absolute pillars of the medium that throughout my life have influenced what I believe a movie could be.

1.LOTR
2.JP
3.AVATAR
 
By the way, I finally found my first unforgivable beef with Avatar :lol The Horner track "War" (which Ive posted here several times as an example of the one track that did live up to expectations) cuts out at EXACTLY THE TIME MY FAVORITE PART BEGINS (which I have also posted several times here) and when it cuts back in, that part is gone. In the film, the song accompanies
the final battle, and right when Trudy arrives and starts gunning down Quarritch is exactly when my favorite part would begin. However, I was listening for it this time specifically, and once Trudy
arrives, it cuts to some other cue altogether. EPIC FAIL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQEY2kBbnAY
0:00-6:24 plays in the film exactly as its heard in this clip. 6:25 is the start of my favorite bit, and its precisely where it gets cut off. *vadernooooooooooo.gif*


Salty said:
Agreed^

also, I think it was weird that they didn't include the thing where he
bonds with that giant dragon thing
It should have been an epic scene where he battles it, hanging in the air with one arm etc etc. It was basically the turning point of the movie...but wasn't there.

Are you talking about the
bigger banshee that only 5 previous Navi have rode
? If so, no fucking way. The way Cameron cut hard to black when Jake landed on him was a fantastic choice.
 
Solo said:
Even more mindblowingly incredible the second time. It really sunk in this time what a staggering achievement this is. Cameron raised the bar in so many areas that his contemporaries are going to be scratching their heads for years to come. I've seen the movie twice now, and will see it at least once more theatrically, and I still cannot put into words cogently what my thoughts on the movie are. There are a million different things to talk about that its hard to paint an overall picture. *soooogood.gif*

I need to revise my Top Ten of 2009 list, because Avatar deserves a spot in at least the Top 5.

And heres an anecdotal nugget: my showing was at 5:45, as in dinner time, and it was sold out. On a Monday. Jesus, this sumbitch gonna have legs.
I saw it again today at 3:30 in IMAX and it was sold out. As far as the technical aspects go, I really paid attention to the difference of the 3D effect in live action and CG. I can see now why the movie took so long because the live action shots really show off the effect much better. You really only see it at the beginning, but the scene where Giavani Ribisi's character was introduced they pan around this net-ops office and it really show's it off well. Another shot when Sigorney Weaver is introduced is a good showcase. The last shot that really blew me away was when they were spraying out the tank the avatars were in. Anyway, after seeing that I would like to see a more traditional movie (with little CG) shot in 3D with this technology.
 
Did anyone else get emotional on the inside when
Quarritch ordered the destruction of the giant tree. I was thinking Holy fuck how could a human being do this shit. And the humans (I'm assuming) were not feeling an inch of guilt. The slow motion fire really toyed with my emotions and how we humans destroy things we don't understand.
 
Timbuktu said:
I didn't feel it was suspense at all, I thought it was cut because it would have been a repeat of an earlier scene and you sort of know that he is going to succeed. For a moment I felt bad for his old ride though, being abandoned like when they're so loyal just because the village people would only respect him if he showed up in a red Ferrari.

Yeah that's true I suppose.

'Suspense' was perhaps not really the right word - but the notion of a cliffhanger in the story, if you get my drift.

Funny how you should put it that way, because it's kinda true (regarding red ferrari). :lol I never thought about his previous ride. Interesting. Still, we don't know how 'feral' these creatures are, as to what extent they really have 'loyalties'. I understand the monogamous bond, but the creatures may not actually be all that intelligent to really develop loyalties as such. Could be instinctual, so they don't really feel bad. Who knows, maybe his first ride felt free that he no longer had to fly some na'vi around :lol. Also, while they were bound, it nearly felt a little 'mind control'-ly. Could be two-way, I dunno. Probably better not to questions these things too deeply.
 
Thread title needs to be updated. The Tomatometer is RISING again. I think "ROTTENWATCH: Im King of the Woooooorld! EDITION (AVATAR @ 84%)" would fit.
 
Just came back from my first veiwing.

I was blown away!
Sure the story and characters were quite generic, but I don't think I would have want it any other way (and it probably wouldn't have worked either). When you have smurfs running around with usb ports in their hair, you don't want a complex unique story. The imagination in the film justifies the story imo.

Which brings me to the Navi, which I thought looked too humanoid when I saw the trailer for the first time. But I totally get why Cameron did what he did, again usb ports, glowing walking tracks, etc. there were enough stuff out there, taking it all the way out there wouldn't have done no good for this kind of movie.

I saw the 70 mins review disecting Star Wars Episode 1, earlier today. I guess that was a great way to enter the viewing of Avatar. The character building was great, you really felt with Jack and as he bonded with the Navi, so did you. Pacing was excellent, pretty much every scene had high relevance to the plot somehow (creatures introduced served as plot deviced later on, Jack's clumsy fall on the leaves served as a point later on. Even when they talked about that Toruk dragon beast, I was like, that's nice with some Navi history to give them some depth, well the Toruk came back and was very crucial to the plot), this pretty much eliminated all deus ex machina.

The 2 greatest achievements that Avatar did was
1) Compltely sucking me into the story and the world of Pandora, I was sold on the plot, the characters, the universe and everything. Weird fauna and flora everywhere, but Cameron had me in a tight grip. It's been a fucking long time since that happened, I was so immersed throughout the movie.
2) Top quality cinema entertainment. This = Cinema experince, to me. I think the last time viewing films in the cinema was as fresh as this was viewing LoTR, and I'll say (right now) Avatar is better (as a fresh cinema experience, not that it's better as a flim).

So yeah I can't wait to go back to Pandora!
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Did anyone else get emotional on the inside when
Quarritch ordered the destruction of the giant tree. I was thinking Holy fuck how could a human being do this shit. And the humans (I'm assuming) were not feeling an inch of guilt. The slow motion fire really toyed with my emotions and how we humans destroy things we don't understand.

This bit really got me, up until then I was like awesome WAR! then that happened.. the scene where
the Tree fell on a bunch of them killing them
just made me go WTF, fuck off humanity.
 
Jamesfrom818 said:
Now the real question is how many people will watch Avatar: The Last Airbender thinking its related to this movie.
From now own, it will be this movie that first comes to mind, not the animu :D

But thankfully, Shyamalalamas movie doesnt have the word Avatar anywhere in the title
 
Im not a fan of the vocal track "I See You", but I LOVE the instrumental flourishes of it Horner sprinkled throughout.

Oh shit, Im even starting to come around on the score :lol
 
TacticalFox88 said:
You'd have to be a clueless moron to think this was related to the Last Airbender. :lol

I was untill early this year :)

Anyway went today and.... Amazing movie.

Watched it in Imax 3D (black polarized glasses). The 3D is very nice, took me some while though to get used to it. Couldnt really see everything sharp for the first 10 minutes, than it settled and loved it.

Use glasses btw, so no problems there.
 
Solo said:
Even more mindblowingly incredible the second time.
So true! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this......

Seeing it for a second time was so much more satisfying for me (loved it the first time by the way), the brilliance of it all becomes so much more apparent.

Like I’ve said many other times, repeat viewings are gonna be insane and this will have such ridiculous legs. This movie was made for repeat viewings! :D

My worldwide gross prediction of $850,000,000 is looking good....but dare I say my first prediction of a $990,000,000 worldwide gross is looking better?

Oh and I can't stop listening to the start of this. Stunning!
 
The IMAX projector broke at the theatre I went to, and it was the first showing. I feel real sorry for them, it looked like all the showings for today were sold out. Got a refund and free admission though, hopefully the projector will be fixed soon. The glasses they gave out were surprisingly tiny.

If it doesn't, the theatre is also showing it in RealD. Is that that "good" kind? The IMAX 3D is only 2 dollars more, seems kind of a rip-off for RealD.
 
I said it after the first showing, but the second showing confirmed it: Jake and Neytiri flying together after Jake has chosen his banshee is the best scene in the movie. Awestuck is the best word I can think of to describe it. Theres a shot with the two of them racing 90 degrees down a cliff face that is breathtaking.
 
cwmartin said:
Thanks a lot! Yeah my theatre is on that list but this Xpand seems to be a minority thing. I hadnt even heard of it until this post, so confused with all the 3d theaters now! Post-poned mine till next week but im excited for it.


Xpand is not very common cause it is very expensive.. but it is supposed to be the best 3D of them all.. i think their glasses are battery powered and do some extra crazy stuff.
 
One of the things that really surprised me and got an audible whoa, was when the banshees
landed vertically on the tree
. I just didn't see it coming, it felt so out of place, but realistic at the same time.
 
Hmm yeah they do Xpand at the Cinerama Dome in LA. I'm about leave in a few minutes to see it in RealD up here in Canada, so soon I will have seen it in IMAX 3D, RealD and then I'll check it out in Xpand when I get back home.

Also, new anecdotal box office report: In London, Ontario, Canada, today I went at 1:30pm to the theater to get tickets for the 8pm showing in 3D and it was already sold out. I got tickets for the 10:40 showing instead. So yeah, I think this flick is gonna have CRAAAAAAZAY legs.
 
fireside said:
The IMAX projector broke at the theatre I went to, and it was the first showing. I feel real sorry for them, it looked like all the showings for today were sold out. Got a refund and free admission though, hopefully the projector will be fixed soon. The glasses they gave out were surprisingly tiny.

If it doesn't, the theatre is also showing it in RealD. Is that that "good" kind? The IMAX 3D is only 2 dollars more, seems kind of a rip-off for RealD.

From what I've heard here and elsewhere, the RealD is better because the glasses are circularly polarized and the picture is digital. However, with IMAX 3D you'll get better sound and a bigger screen.
 
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