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Jamesfrom818 said:
Not exactly the same, but I'd definitely would have preferred something along those lines, yes. During the whole battle I always kept thinking: "what if the mercenaries call for reinforcements or simply decide to use WMDs? (though a case could be made that the rocks they sought could have been destroyed using the latter)" I guess I'd preferred the victory of the Na'vi be based on moral grounds rather on "we happened to have plenty of huge animals and were lucky that the mercenaries weren't that many".
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When talking to a guy at work today about the movie, I realized that this is the first movie in a very very long time that I watched straight through without running out to the bathroom. I always finish my soda during the previews, and I'm doing the dance thirty minutes in. I don't know if Avatar actually gave me an adrenaline rush or what, but not once did I consider getting out of my seat.
Operations said:
You guys gotta keep in mind that this isn't "Earth" against the Na'vi. It's a corporation, or a conglomerate of them, that's exploring space on a basis of finders-keepers. They have their private army, but back on earth it probably wouldn't have been easy to justify to the governments/authorities/whatever the sending of the weaponry they had in Pandora in the movie, let alone WMDs. The scriptment is a bit clearer on this, and mentions that treaties regarding use of weapons in outer space and such are in effect. The RDA security forces had limited means at their disposal. And any help or reinforcements was probably 9 years away, unless they shipped in more stuff regularly, regardless of communications/requests from the colonists.
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Thanks for the info, makes sense.FirewalkR said:
Darkmakaimura
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Beautiful movie. Although I must say that the 3D wasn't as spectacular as people made it out to be, but that could be because of the screen or projection used in my theatre. I did not see it IMAX, just digital Real D 3D.
One thing I noticed that I don't think I've ever seen walking out of a movie were people actually saying "beautiful movie" and "I've never seen anything like this before". Cameron FTW again!
Oh, and for the above poster who mentioned sequel. NO! Let this stand alone as the beautiful movie it is.
One thing I noticed that I don't think I've ever seen walking out of a movie were people actually saying "beautiful movie" and "I've never seen anything like this before". Cameron FTW again!
Oh, and for the above poster who mentioned sequel. NO! Let this stand alone as the beautiful movie it is.
The whole point of the victory was that the planet itself (Eywa) came to the aid of the Na'vi.. they didn't "happen" to have those animals, if it wasn't for Jake's prayer or whatever you should call it before the big battle the humans would have won easily against the resources the Na'vi themselves had at hand.Operations said:
Also reinforcements or WMD's might not have been viable options. Remember this is way out in space. There might not have been any reinforcements within a decent range, and they might not have even brought WMD's. Besides, why would they want to add radioactivity to the already poisonus athmosphere? If it would have even worked within that flux/vortex thingy, which was also a key element to give the na'vi a fighting chance.
Btw, why are we using spoilers? Surely everyone reading this thread at this point has seen the movie..
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I found this review on Rotten Tomatoes to be the most insightful:
"New Age agitprop ga dovodi na rub samoparodije"
"New Age agitprop ga dovodi na rub samoparodije"
I don't actually know what language this is
Darkmakaimura said:
Why? First of all, there will almost certainly be a sequel. Cameron said there will be one if Avatar makes enough money, and it will.
Secondly, the sequel has the potential to be 10x more powerful and beautiful simply by putting its entire focus on Jake/Neytiri/Pandora.
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nice breakdown of all the ways you can see the films: http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=861285
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Shit guys. Been three days now. Still can't this movie out of my head.
Neuromancer
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"IMAX DIGITAL (digitally projected) a.k.a. "LieMAX" - Regular digitally-projected theater owned as part of the IMAX franchise, made to their own standards. Very similar to other digital projection systems, 3D projection uses a polarization system, similar to RealD and IMAX 3D. PROS: less ghosting than IMAX 3D and crystal clear and sharp digital projection. CONS: tinted glasses lead to significant loss of brightness."
This is the way I saw it. Awesome picture and sound, glasses were pretty uncomfortable. But, it was well worth it.
This is the way I saw it. Awesome picture and sound, glasses were pretty uncomfortable. But, it was well worth it.
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Solo said:
"Well follow Jake and Neytiri," Cameron revealed. "I have a trilogy-scaled arc of story right now, but I havent really put any serious work into writing a script," he said.
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/12/21/james-cameron-planning-avatar-trilogy-director-tells-mtv-news/#more-26656
Jtwo said:
Its been 5 for me and i feel the same.
Given that its about a 14 year round-trip. If these regular rounds are evenly spaced, then it'd take about over a year before the next ISV reaches Pandora.jett said:
Plus there's a strong hinting that the Dragon will be rebuilt as they were waiting for one of the deliveries for the key components (the frame of the second ship is already complete). Although that'd depend on how much of Hell's Gate is to be dismantled, which I imagine a good portion of it will be, particularly the unobtanium refinery which is what spews out all that pollution.
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Jtwo said:
Go see something else then.
You can see some scenes on the B-Roll footage that didnt make it to the movie
http://www.surrealaward.com/avatar/videobroll01.shtml
1) Argument with Selfridge and Quaritch. Looks like Selfridge
2) Several shots of a scene that looks like some kind of
http://www.surrealaward.com/avatar/videobroll01.shtml
1) Argument with Selfridge and Quaritch. Looks like Selfridge
was opposed to Quaritch and his Loading the Rocket ship with explosives for a bombing run
2) Several shots of a scene that looks like some kind of
attack on the Hells Gate RDA compound, probably towards the end of the movie
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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This movie has to have a sequel. I NEED to see more of this world and more of Jake/Neytiri.
Holy Einstein, I'd forgotten about relativity! Transit time for the interstellar ship is 14.5 years at 0.7c according to Pandorapedia, with the crew experiencing 6 years. I wonder how many trips Grace Augustine got there before Jake. A round-trip would probably be little over 30 years, accounting for repair, refuelling etc... they'd have ships going out every 2.5 years? Grace had learned a lot, "written the book", shit had happened that provoked a rift between humans and Na'vi... she was probably there since she looked like Ripley in Alien!
Went to Pandorapedia for first time and I am clicking through. The amino tank info is cool. I was kind of confused why Jake need the colonal to get legs and the info explains it somewhat and also what he meant by getting his legs back.
It also explains an earlier argument about why they would not sell the technology to others and apparently it's because it's old tech.
http://www.pandorapedia.com/doku.php/amino_tank
It also explains an earlier argument about why they would not sell the technology to others and apparently it's because it's old tech.
http://www.pandorapedia.com/doku.php/amino_tank
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FirewalkR said:
You misunderstand the Pandorapedia. The roundtrip is 14.75 years; 6.75 years to Pandora, one year's time loitering around Pandora, 6.75 years back. The relativistic effects shorten the time on the ship to 6 years each way.
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The next movie ill see is avatar again.Hasphat6462 said:Go see something else then.
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I personally would prefer if Cameron worked on something new rather than a sequel. I'm all for a sequel, but I don't think he needs to helm the project, just make sure he oversees some of it and puts the right people in charge. I'd prefer to see him manage to do something else, ideally something equally "out there".
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Jtwo said:The next movie ill see is avatar again.
Well, stop complaining then!
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That was like a "shiyaat" not a "shit"Hasphat6462 said:
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
You're right, my bad. I didn't even think that 0.7c would never give such a disparity in time perception. -_-'
One departure from Earth every... little over a year.
Boy I can't wait to see the next colonists faces when they are greeted by Jake, Ney'tiri and their new Na'vi overlords. :lol
Wow, it does sound like Cameron did film an entire scene dedicated to showing howDead said:
Hell's Gate was taken over. I like how he's describing how something is throwing huge boulders at the command structure and everyone's running away. :lol And, I couldn't hear too well, but I'm definitely interested in that Parker/Quaritch confrontation, it looked very tense.
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Fu#$ing awesome.
I doubt that scene was ever completed. It seems too major an action scene to cut out of the movie completely, assuming it was actually finished, or close to finished.Combine said:Wow, it does sound like Cameron did film an entire scene dedicated to showing howYeah, extended edition needed badly on this one.Hell's Gate was taken over. I like how he's describing how something is throwing huge boulders at the command structure and everyone's running away. :lol And, I couldn't hear too well, but I'm definitely interested in that Parker/Quaritch confrontation, it looked very tense.
The Selfridge scene is nice as it definitely confirms that he was at least conflicted on what was being done, which it seemed like he was at a few points in the movie
TacticalFox88
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Is it just me or the more I see this the more details I didn't see in the previous viewing. This shit is blowing my MIND!
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gdt5016 said:
I don't want to wait 4596450760 years for him to make something else. He did what he needed to do to make Avatar, I don't think he has to remain fully in charge for it to be good if the script is good. I'd prefer to see him do Battle Angel even if I'm unfamiliar with the manga, I want more creative work from Hollywood, more bold stuff they wouldn't usually do.
I could see how that scene, even if it was a major action scene could have been cut as it might have been a bit anti-climactic or even redundant after the huge action scene at the end already. I'd guess it wouldn't be that long of a scene though, probably a few minutes at most since the battle would be horribly one-sided. As far as it being too big a scene to cut, well, if Peter Jackson could cut Saruman's death out of his film, well...Dead said:
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Just thought of another nitpick I had while watching the movie (might have been mentioned already).
I think the way to do it is have the enemy be a 'natural' enemy of Pandora that runs amok (some creature or invisible threat that can destroy the planet). Then at the end, reveal that the humans were behind it the whole time. Setting up a third movie for the final battle.
Doesn't the black scientist uses his keycard to open the cell door, freeing Sully? Then he is left behind. Wouldn't it be easily traceable to find out he used his card to free them? Maybe he gets imprisoned (or worse) and they didn't show it.
Solo said:
I think the way to do it is have the enemy be a 'natural' enemy of Pandora that runs amok (some creature or invisible threat that can destroy the planet). Then at the end, reveal that the humans were behind it the whole time. Setting up a third movie for the final battle.
Just saw Avatar..
..holy shit. I did not like the trailer one bit and my god did the movie change my mind. My movie of the year before this was District 9 and unfortunately this has taken the cake. As a disclaimer, this was my first 3D movie, so I was a bit disoriented at first, but totally immersed soon enough. Everything worked so well, and the entire movie went full circle. Not much I could criticize while watching it compared to other movies this year. Just, wow. I'm blown away by everything.
I was impressed so much by the CG as well, which I thought was going to be, well, just CG. Some of the environments were just stunning. Where can I grab some Avatar wallpapers?!
And Avatar 2 and 3?! What?!
..holy shit. I did not like the trailer one bit and my god did the movie change my mind. My movie of the year before this was District 9 and unfortunately this has taken the cake. As a disclaimer, this was my first 3D movie, so I was a bit disoriented at first, but totally immersed soon enough. Everything worked so well, and the entire movie went full circle. Not much I could criticize while watching it compared to other movies this year. Just, wow. I'm blown away by everything.
I was impressed so much by the CG as well, which I thought was going to be, well, just CG. Some of the environments were just stunning. Where can I grab some Avatar wallpapers?!
And Avatar 2 and 3?! What?!
Hmm, it's been a few days, but I could have sworn my memory of that scene is telling me thatToxicAdam said:
Trudy used a card she got from the knocked out guard to open the cell.
One plot point from the Avatar game (yeah it sucks, but it's supposed to be canon) that I read on the wiki was that the humans wereToxicAdam said:
already experimenting with the "network" that runs Pandora and were trying to take control over it. I wouldn't be suprised if perhaps one of the scientists that are "chosen" to stay turns out not to be so noble.
But yeah, it's all up to Cameron in the end.
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Chichikov said:
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Anyway, good to hear from Cameron that Jake and Neytiri will definitely be the ones followed in the sequel. I'm also glad to know that, after the film has done so well, we will almost certainly be getting the sequel. If any universe deserves to be expanded, it's this one.
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