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Killdozer said:
Real3D:
Better picture quality
No jitter
No blur

The only downside is the IMAX theaters have better sound than the normal sized screens with Real3D.

Bottom line: Real3D is vastly superior.
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Ahhh, thanks for the info.
I did notice there was a lot of blurring, and wasn't sure if it was due to the 3D. And sometimes, my eyes would bug out and the 3D effect didn't seem to work well... besides that, it was great. I guess I'll be seeing it again in Real3D.
 
Combine said:
Wainfleet is hilariously awesome. Needed more screen time. :D

He reminds me a bit of a young Bill Paxton toned down to a PG-13 rating. :lol
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Im sure he had a lot more scenes originally, but I think 2 "GET SOME!!!!" line were enough for the movie

A total asshole, but his
death was priceless
:D
 
ZephyrFate said:
The arrows in the final scene seemed to have been strengthened, but yeah, the force of air and gravity added to their puncturing ability, too.
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i wouldn't be surprised if there is a cut scene where they do just that...
 
Topher said:
Pictures from certain moments like posted above look dead on, and then there are other times where I cannot put into words what looks off.
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I feel like you're misinterpreting the term 'uncanny valley'. Aki Ross from FF: Spirits Within is uncanny valley. The Na'Vi are not.
 
Dead said:
Im sure he had a lot more scenes originally, but I think 2 "GET SOME!!!!" line were enough for the movie

A total asshole, but his
death was priceless
:D
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In my first viewing there was a huge laughter in the theater at that, not so much on the second viewing. I still grinned both times.

I read from one of the wiki's that he was the one who was actually supposed to
kill Tsu'tey
in the original script. But I guess they changed that around and instead had him
kill Neytiri's banshee Tze'ze
 
whose voice was Norm trying to mimic when Grace says his saliva contaminated the sample? It was a familiar voice but I can't recall who whose voice it was
 
The general consensus here is that Titanic is fucking awesome, right?
I'm seeing a lot of "redeemed for that P.O.S. Titanic" posts on Facebook now that a lot of people have seen it.

Some slightly douchey childhood friend of mine wrote like a page long open letter to James Cameron.
It's hilarious, I almost want to post it.


CassidyIzABeast said:
whose voice was Norm trying to mimic when Grace says his saliva contaminated the sample? It was a familiar voice but I can't recall who whose voice it was
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He was supposed to have something in his mouth.
It did sound kind of off though.
 
GhaleonEB said:
You seem to be stuck on this regardless of how people respond to you.
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Well, accept people have differing opinions.

Its the impression that some people are projecting that I'm trashing or calling the film terrible. And I'm not, it was a beautiful movie visually.
 
I've really never seen such a degree of nitpicking... they are valid points, but in the mix of everything when you are seeing this on the big screen in 3D, are you really thinking about these things. Cynical minds I guess.
 
I went and saw it last night in 3D. It was my first 3D movie and my last. I hated it. I wish I"d gone and watched it in 2D. 3D was nothing but a gimmick and in scenes with a lot of 3D, I never could focus on anything. I was seeing double.

Why did Grace's Avatar have a normal nose instead of a Na'vi nose? It made her Avatar really weird looking.
 
B.K. said:
I went and saw it last night in 3D. It was my first 3D movie and my last. I hated it. I wish I"d gone and watched it in 2D. 3D was nothing but a gimmick and in scenes with a lot of 3D, I never could focus on anything. I was seeing double.

Why did Grace's Avatar have a normal nose instead of a Na'vi nose? It made her Avatar really weird looking.
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We're writing it off as the fact that she 'wrote the book' on Na'Vi making, and that was the 'first' Avatar made
 
I thought that 90% or so of this movie was photorealistic. There were a few textures/lighting cues here and there that didn't quite work, but overall, it was the best CG work in any movie by a very wide margin.

Seriously, that jungle was absolutely perfect. Not a leaf out of place, and none of it actually existed.

Topher: I don't think anybody is getting particularly up in arms about this. I think that they're just surprised to hear you say that you thought Pirates had better CG; myself, I thought that it was so far and away better than anything else that I'd ever seen that I was in shock. Jones had some nice texture work, but his animations were sometimes wonky.
 
Jtwo said:
The general consensus here is that Titanic is fucking awesome, right?
I'm seeing a lot of "redeemed for that P.O.S. Titanic" posts on Facebook now that a lot of people have seen it.

Some slightly douchey childhood friend of mine wrote like a page long open letter to James Cameron.
It's hilarious, I almost want to post it.
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Yeah I have a friend that loves Cameron movies but absolutely HATES Titanic because of "Leo".

Fuck that shit.

The ending with Jack is waiting for Rose, his back turned, watching the clock and then the applause as they kiss still gives me chills whenever I see it. A near flawlessly executed ending.
 
ZephyrFate said:
I feel like you're misinterpreting the term 'uncanny valley'. Aki Ross from FF: Spirits Within is uncanny valley. The Na'Vi are not.
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Yeah, it's not like we can compare Avatar's Na'Vi to the real Na'Vi running around in our jungles.
 
ZephyrFate said:
We're writing it off as the fact that she 'wrote the book' on Na'Vi making, and that was the 'first' Avatar made
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Though the real reason is, as was noted, they wanted her avatar to give off the resemblance of a young Sigourney Weaver and having a Na'vi nose apparently messed that up.
 
CassidyIzABeast said:
I hope the extended version of them eating at the table makes it onto the bluray. Probably wont match the Aliens table scene but there should be lulz
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If there's no cornbread then it's a waste of time.
I must know more about Arturian(sp?) poontang!
 
Were it not for that visual cue, I almost would not have recognised her avatar for Sigourney Weaver's character and THAT I woulda complained about.
 
B.K. said:
I went and saw it last night in 3D. It was my first 3D movie and my last. I hated it. I wish I"d gone and watched it in 2D. 3D was nothing but a gimmick and in scenes with a lot of 3D, I never could focus on anything. I was seeing double.

Why did Grace's Avatar have a normal nose instead of a Na'vi nose? It made her Avatar really weird looking.
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I had the exact opposite experience when it comes to 3D.

It added so much for me.




I dread the day it leaves theaters.
 
Combine said:
I read from one of the wiki's that he was the one who was actually supposed to
kill Tsu'tey
in the original script. But I guess they changed that around and instead had him
kill Neytiri's banshee Tze'ze
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Tze'ze!! Tze'ze?!?!

;_;
 
Jtwo said:
He was supposed to have something in his mouth.
It did sound kind of off though.
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That particularly scene sounded crystal clear in IMAX, but it's completely off in normal theatres (you can barely hear it). The IMAX showing was the only audience of the three I've been to that responded to the joke.
 
Topher said:
Struck a nerve?

They were good, but it still looked cartoony. The most realistic CGI I've seen was the Flying Dutchman in POTC, looked photo realistic at times.
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You know, they were just showing the third of these (which I'm assuming you're referring to) on ABC tonight, and having finished watching it, I'm going to have to categorically disagree with this statement in nearly every way. And that's not knocking the CG in the POTC movies either.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
I thought that 90% or so of this movie was photorealistic. There were a few textures/lighting cues here and there that didn't quite work, but overall, it was the best CG work in any movie by a very wide margin.

Seriously, that jungle was absolutely perfect. Not a leaf out of place, and none of it actually existed.

Topher: I don't think anybody is getting particularly up in arms about this. I think that they're just surprised to hear you say that you thought Pirates had better CG; myself, I thought that it was so far and away better than anything else that I'd ever seen that I was in shock. Jones had some nice texture work, but his animations were sometimes wonky.
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I should specify I was specifically referring to The Dutchman, himself. Not the POTC saga as a whole. And yeah, I do agree it looked off/unnatural at times.
 
Topher said:
I should specify I was specifically referring to The Dutchman, himself. Not the POTC saga as a whole. And yeah, I do agree it looked off/unnatural at times.
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That was already assumed.

When people talk about the CGI in POTC, they are talking about Davy Jones.
 
I kept having to tell myself that what I was watching wasnt real. It was a very weird experience. And I was also seeing double in a lot of instances. Maybe because I was wearing glasses? My prescription is pretty strong.
 
Damn this thread is making me wanting to watch Avatar again for the 3rd time. I'll probably wait a month or two before watching in IMAX3D again. I already seen it in IMAX3D and RealD, although the digital screen had less blur/ghosting, it simply can't match IMAX's scale and audio.
 
Topher said:
I should specify I was specifically referring to The Dutchman, himself. Not the POTC saga as a whole. And yeah, I do agree it looked off/unnatural at times.
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The issue we have with you is that you don't seem to know what 'uncanny valley' actually means. Aside from that, whatevs.
 
My theory on how Cameron knew he was creating one of the biggest box office hits of all time...

Basically, the incredible photo-real graphics and 3D spark memory creation... basically sub-consciously your mind accepts the images in the movie as real. And as days pass, you'll recall certain aspects of Pandora, but you won't be able to recall all the information, just like you can't recall all the information of some of your favorite memories. Because of this, you yearn to fill in the blanks so to speak...

This is why so many people are seeing this movie multiple times. Yes the CG is great looking and it looks real. But the main aspect is the combination of real CG and 3D...
 
B.K. said:
Have they announced Avatar 2 yet? The movie is making a lot of money.
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Wouldn't expect an anouncement any time soon. Cameron probably still deciding what he wants to do.

At this point I am thinking he will do the Dive next. Though I would personally hope that he would write and produce it and just select someone else to direct it. Would rather see him take on Battle Angel or Avatar 2
 
Karma Kramer said:
My theory on how Cameron knew he was creating one of the biggest box office hits of all time...

Basically, the incredible photo-real graphics and 3D spark memory creation... basically sub-consciously your mind accepts the images in the movie as real. And as days pass, you'll recall certain aspects of Pandora, but you won't be able to recall all the information, just like you can't recall all the information of some of your favorite memories. Because of this, you yearn to fill in the blanks so to speak...

This is why so many people are seeing this movie multiple times. Yes the CG is great looking and it looks real. But the main aspect is the combination of real CG and 3D...
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Now, this might sound dumb, but what's the difference between CG and 3D?
 
It may have been mentioned here before but when Jake first comes out of the ship and the other soldiers make a snide remark about his wheelchair...is that scene CGI? Every single time I see that scene it just looks off from the rest.
 
VGChampion said:
It may have been mentioned here before but when Jake first comes out of the ship and the other soldiers make a snide remark about his wheelchair...is that scene CGI? Every single time I see that scene it just looks off from the rest.
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I believe that all the exteriors in this movie are in CG.
 
Vic said:
Now, this might sound dumb, but what's the difference between CG and 3D?
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Computer Generated and 3D is the new tech, that allows images to appear three dimensional. Basically the 3D combined with CG that is so detailed and photo-real but also alien and completely foriegn to our world, it sub-consciously triggers memory creation. So your brain recalls the images not as flat projections (like when you remember most movies)... but as actual reality.

Had this movie just taken place on Earth and all been live action/real... there wouldn't be this yearning to return, because our minds can kind of fill in the blanks (textures, shapes etc_ with what we already know as reality (trees, people, animals etc)
 
VGChampion said:
It may have been mentioned here before but when Jake first comes out of the ship and the other soldiers make a snide remark about his wheelchair...is that scene CGI? Every single time I see that scene it just looks off from the rest.
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whole scene besides jake and maybe Whitfield and the other guy is cg. Even the glass on their mask is CG
 
Karma Kramer said:
Computer Generated and 3D is the new tech, that allows images to appear three dimensional. Basically the 3D combined with CG that is so detailed and photo-real but also alien and completely foriegn to our world, it sub-consciously triggers memory creation. So your brain recalls the images not as flat projections (like when you remember most movies)... but as actual reality.

Had this movie just taken place on Earth and all been live action/real... there wouldn't be this yearning to return, because our minds can kind of fill in the blanks (textures, shapes etc_ with what we already know as reality (trees, people, animals etc)
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My main problem with your theory is that there are a ton of places on this planet (particularly underwater) that are just as alien as Pandora, if not moreso. In theory, shouldn't a high-quality IMAX 3D rendering of some of those locations--you know, the sort they tend to have at museums--have the same effect? Because I've yet to hear of people feeling compelled to rewatch Deep Sea 3D over and over again.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:
I don't have a "yearning to return"...
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Yes, we know. I don't normally mean to call attention to this sort of thing, and I was hardly as blown over by Avatar as a lot of GAF (except visually) but I'm surprised at your continued presence in this thread given that you didn't really like the movie. Do you feel that it's necessary to provide some counterpoint to the endless effusive praise, or are you just bored?
 
Karma Kramer said:
Computer Generated and 3D is the new tech, that allows images to appear three dimensional. Basically the 3D combined with CG that is so detailed and photo-real but also alien and completely foriegn to our world, it sub-consciously triggers memory creation. So your brain recalls the images not as flat projections (like when you remember most movies)... but as actual reality.

Had this movie just taken place on Earth and all been live action/real... there wouldn't be this yearning to return, because our minds can kind of fill in the blanks (textures, shapes etc_ with what we already know as reality (trees, people, animals etc)
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memory creation? i think you're just making stuff up now - it was immersive, but i'd hardly say i confused it with reality. maybe people are just going back becuase they enjoyed it, not because of some subconscious urge to 'fill in the blanks' as you seem to be suggesting..
 
It's just that after seeing Avatar, my definitions of CGI and 3D got messed up for a while.

CassidyIzABeast said:
whole scene besides jake and maybe Whitfield and the other guy is cg. Even the glass on their mask is CG
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BTW, windows and glasses in Avatar 3D looks fucking beautiful!
 
Sharp said:
My main problem with your theory is that there are a ton of places on this planet (particularly underwater) that are just as alien as Pandora, if not moreso. In theory, shouldn't a high-quality IMAX 3D rendering of some of those locations--you know, the sort they tend to have at museums--have the same effect? Because I've yet to hear of people feeling compelled to rewatch Deep Sea 3D over and over again.
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"Director James Cameron told Time Magazine that the 3D viewing "is so close to a real experience that it actually triggers memory creation in a way that 2D viewing doesn’t."

I think watching a Deep Sea 3D would have similar affects, but come on now... Pandora is a place you have never seen before... while things under the sea have been seeping into our sub-conscious since you've existed. The more you see it the less you'll yearn to fill in the blanks. Does no one else have this strange sensation when thinking back to certain scenes... its like you can vaguely put the world together in your mind, but you know theres a bunch of details you just simply can't re-imagine.
 
julls said:
memory creation? i think you're just making stuff up now - it was immersive, but i'd hardly say i confused it with reality. maybe people are just going back becuase they enjoyed it, not because of some subconscious urge to 'fill in the blanks' as you seem to be suggesting..
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On a sub-conscious level... obviously I am not saying you think you left an actual reality :lol
 
just a theory but I think $20 million on future Earth is more like $2 million on present Earth. 20 million a kilo when the RDA is using HUGE trucks and mining equipment seems like a lot for a planet thats supposed to have such a crap economy.
 
Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:
I don't have a "yearning to return"...
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Thats cause you didn't like the movie... the film/story is still most important, but I do think my theory is playing a part into why people want to see this multiple times... and its not like they are necessarily pumped to see it again immediately after... as someone else said in this thread, people are seeing it, then days/a week later are suddenly wanting to go see it again (surprisingly).
 
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