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Onix said:
By any TV, you mean any type of 3-D TV, that happens to be using the new standards :p


To my knowledge, it requires 120Hz. I don't think ATSC supports that, and neither does sat/cable.



That's where the confusion comes from :D

Of course I mean any type of 3DTV, meaning LCD, plasma, crt, whatever. :P
 
jett said:
Of course I mean any type of 3DTV, meaning LCD, plasma, crt, whatever. :P

I'm saying that isn't automatically true. There are 3-D TV's already available, and they may not work ... though I suspect an external converter may work.
 
So, assuming I wanted to buy a new, HDMI-having computer monitor that would hopefully support 3D content in the years ahead, I should... what, buy one with a 120Hz mode?
 
I think I'll hold off on upgrading my t.v. to a 3D t.v. till its closer to holiday period. Though I am already planning it :lol

Just got done reading the entire Survival Activist Guide btw...I highly recommend it to everyone. It really goes more in depth in a lot of things. Also I give a big two thumbs up to the art book as well. It's very well done. I really like the articles in it also.
 
Onix said:
I can't believe how many things are wrong with that article :lol

Fucking terrible.

Whats your opinion about the Fox News Article and the highdef digest forum guy:

Further explanation from someone on the highdef digest forums:

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/home-theater-gear/98083-hdmi-1-3-will-support-3d-after-all.html

The HDMI 1.4 spec concentrates on three formats for 3D: 720p50, 720p60 and 1080p24, for european and american video material, and movies, respectively. The 3D versions of these formats can be fully supported by any HDMI 1.3 cable that supports 1080p60. There might be limitations in some HDMI 1.3 chipsets and media processors that exclude one or more formats, but the bandwidth of HDMI 1.3 is capable of supporting them all.

Supporting 1080p60 as a 3D format is a different story. This requires a pixel clock of almost 300 MHz, while most HDMI 1.3 (and almost all early HDMI 1.4) chips top out at about 220 MHz. So, don't expect to see too many 3D devices that support 1080p60, most will only support 1080p24.

Now, there is no "540i" format. There are 3D formats that interleave half the lines from each, the left and right image into one normal sized frame, effectively leaving 540 lines from the 1080 lines of each image. This kind of "line alternative" 3D format is supported by some 3D LCD TVs already, in particule those that have been retrofitted with special filter sheets (e.g. RealD makes those). This kind of line-interlaved format could be already encoded on the disc, since it used the standard timings, but it would not be compatible with 2D playback. This is not an ideal solution, since it jettisons half the resolution from the get-go.

A FoxNews article:

January 04, 2010
New HDTVs May Soon Be Obsolete? Thanks a Lot, 3D


http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010...ision-goes-dimensional%2F%3Ftest%3Dlatestnews

A 3D HDTV must display images at a rate of at least 240 Hz, for example. Some current sets can already do that, but they lack the circuitry to combine the separate video streams that are used to trick our eyes into seeing a three-dimensional picture.
 
Game Analyst said:
About the 3D HDTV's:

http://dvice.com/archives/2009/12/no-new-blu-ray.php



EDIT:

Further explanation from someone on the highdef digest forums:

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/home-theater-gear/98083-hdmi-1-3-will-support-3d-after-all.html



A FoxNews article:

January 04, 2010
New HDTVs May Soon Be Obsolete? Thanks a Lot, 3D


http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010...ision-goes-dimensional%2F%3Ftest%3Dlatestnews

This seems like a clusterfuck to me. I hope Sony details exactly how is the PS3's 3D update going to work ASAP. If I'm going to need a new PS3 with 1.4 hdmi for full 1080p 3D then fuck it all.
 
I'll be waiting 3-4 years to get a 3D HDTV. Not because I just bought a V10 (ok part of the reason :lol) but mostly because the 46-50" sets that I would want will probably cost $6,000+ next year and that's more than I care to spend. Plus, I don't like buying first gen of technology. It will be buggy, have problems and easily be surpassed by the 2/3 gen 3D HDTVs.
 
jett said:
This seems like a clusterfuck to me. I hope Sony details exactly how is the PS3's 3D update going to work ASAP. If I'm going to need a new PS3 with 1.4 hdmi for full 1080p 3D then fuck it all.

To get 1080p 3D, from what I read you need HDMI 1.4.

Add that to the reasons I'm not getting a 3D HDTV quite yet. I'd have to buy a new blu-ray player (PS3) and a new receiver. Jesus, I'm getting to the $10k range. As I said, I'll be waiting 3-4 years :D
 
Game Analyst said:
Whats your opinion about the Fox News Article and the highdef digest forum guy:

I'll have to read through it a little later.

Initial impression though ... sounds like a bit of a cluster fuck :p
 
Kusagari said:
I'm still hesitant on it beating Titanic in the U.S. but Titanic is doomed worldwide.

It won't beat The Dark Knight in the US. I think it's going to be the blueprint for how to work the perfect Holiday season release, but it's going to start dropping normally now I would bet. I could be wrong, a lot of people have been about Avatar up until now, but just my predictions. The Dark Knight had the benefit of summertime weekdays, but as kids go to school, I don't really see it working like that for Avatar. Though I'm sure Imax's will still be filling up.

And obviously, subsequently, I don't expect it to beat Titanic. But the worldwide numbers are pretty unpredictable.
 
Box Office Mojo is missing 3 million from Monday actuals, but here is where it is right now:

LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $360,209,452 33.9%
+ Foreign: $702,942,307 66.1%

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= Worldwide: $1,063,151,759

BOM did not fix the number, so 3.6M should be added to its OS total.

1,066,751,759 WW is what it really is at as of Monday.

It did 29m on Monday over seas. It just opened in China...I see it doing 120m this weekend Overseas and 50ish this weekend here in America. Not counting Tuesday, Weds, Thursday. So that right there puts us at $1,233,151,759 without the weekdays mind you. Just saying.
 
jett said:
That's what I think. 1.3GB is crazy talk.
Possibly. It needs $240m right now to clear that. It made $37.6m WW on Monday alone.

If it makes $30m on each of Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, it's at $1.15b, and then would need $150m over the weekend. Last weekend was $217m world wide.

So the global weekend will have to drop 31% to NOT hit $1.3b after the weekend. It might not hit it, but if it doesn't, it will be very close.

Which is not to say it's not crazy talk. It is, just probably not the kind you meant. :lol
 
JGS said:
He wasn't hired to be a soldier, but a replacement for his brother. In any event, him being a soldier does not mean he would listen to scientists preventing him from enjoying a run for the first time in a while.
He was hired so that Tom's death wouldn't be a total waste, and so Jake could provide security for the team, given his military background (and spy for RDA). That was pretty much the only thing he was qualified to do, since he lacks any formal scientific, academic, and cultural training.

He should listen, not because he's a soldier, but because if he were to critically damage his expensive and irreplaceable new avatar body out of noobish stupidity, it's game over. I'd like to think Jake has more sense than that. But whatever, yeah yeah, he's happy he's got his legs back, I'll buy it for the sake of plot progression.

JGS said:
He does things for himself when he knows he can walk and run. He also knows that he's fine enough to not need tests. I wasn't meaning to say he is disobedient, just that he is his own man and he does what he wants. The whole movie is about that.
Right, "dissected a frog once", "I read a manual", better master of avatar body than guys with training right out of the box, completes Na'vi training in 3 months and is mother fucking Toruk Makto of all things only sixth in the entire recorded history of Na'vi for fucks sake Jake Sully is quite the prodigy. Okay, he's knows he's fine enough not to take tests and runs out the door like an asshole, breaking the pressure sealed door in the process. Okay, he doesn't listen at all and puts his own needs ahead of the mission's and his own and others' safety. He's his own man and is disobedient, okay. It was still a stupid thing to so, which is the point I and some other posters are trying to make. His actions in that scene were a little odd and did not paint him in a positive light.

JGS said:
Grace insulting him is at first meant to convey she's a jerk and she does not view him as a "professional" anything, but also to contrast with her respect for him a few minutes later after his "reckless" jog. She likes his initiative.
I gathered that the insult was good at showing the initial mistrust she had over Jake's intentions (and rightfully so, due to the inevitable betrayal). Furthermore, it showed her distaste for the mentality and the methods of the mercenary division of the RDA. Hell, all the other characters around her are savage cartoon stereotypes, why should Jake be any different?

JGS said:
Sure you do if you are familiar with the body and haven't walked in a while.
He's not familiar with the body. He "dissected a frog once" and "read the manual". The second he wakes up, he's out the door. But that's fine, it shows how he's a very fast learner at controlling his avatar body, but is reckless and does dumb things that put himself and others in danger.

JGS said:
This is my point. Jake doesn't care what the scientist think. He risked his life in the bajillion dollarand the crews the first day out on Pandora. He did this despite being ignorant of his surroundings.
Which is my point that it reflects badly on Jake's character by not caring what the scientists think and by engaging in a course of action that put himself, others, and the mission at risk.

JGS said:
He doesn't know what he's getting paid to do because he is not his brother. His sole reason for being there is to not ruin the investment and have on the job training, not to act like a professional scientist which would not be expected of a Marine.
He knows what he's getting paid to do - put a military set of eyes into an up until now all academic research project. He's team security/inside man for Quaritch. Of course he doesn't act like a professional scientist. He could act like a professional marine, though.
 
Saw it again for the fourth time today, this time on LieMAX; the previous three screenings were RealD 3D. I have to agree with the opinion that LieMAX provided a better overall 3D experience than RealD, with the depth of RealD and a little more IMAX pop. My eyes didn't ache at all this time, which might be due to the LieMAX 3D projection, or that my eyes are just getting used to viewing 3D films for longer durations.

Finally seeing the entire movie in its full aspect ratio (I had seen the 15 minute Avatar Day preview on the same LieMAX screen in August) was like seeing it for the first time all over again. The sense of scale is much more defined, and seeing little details that were cropped out of the normal theatrical screenings made the experience exciting all over again.

The only disappointing aspect of the experience was the sound, which was much better in the RealD screenings.
 
Snaku said:
Saw it again for the fourth time today, this time on LieMAX; the previous three screenings were RealD 3D. I have to agree with the opinion that LieMAX provided a better overall 3D experience than RealD, with the depth of RealD and a little more IMAX pop. My eyes didn't ache at all this time, which might be due to the LieMAX 3D projection, or that my eyes are just getting used to viewing 3D films for longer durations.

Finally seeing the entire movie in its full aspect ratio (I had seen the 15 minute Avatar Day preview on the same LieMAX screen in August) was like seeing it for the first time all over again. The sense of scale is much more defined, and seeing little details that were cropped out of the normal theatrical screenings made the experience exciting all over again.

The only disappointing aspect of the experience was the sound, which was much better in the RealD screenings.

Lucky =( I had planned on finally going to St. Louis and seeing it on IMAX (my first ever imax mind you), but my work schedule just isn't working out. Thankfully it will be playing on IMAX through Feb. so I will edventually. Bunch of friends went to go see it last night for their 2nd time and I said fuck it and went for my 5th time. The movie truly gets better every time I see it. I saw the hand print on Neytiri this time and a bunch of little background details I missed before. I am still just as into this film as my first viewing. I want the blu-ray extended edition please!
 
Um, I don't know if you noticed but the humans all had masks on in the Avatar den. When he kicked open the door, he wasn't putting anybody in danger. I could be wrong but I don't think the Avatars can breathe air too

Btw, had my 5th screening today and by far the worst. The screen was small and the image quality was the worst I've seen. Still a fucking great movie though :D
 
I just came back from my second viewing. There was a sign in front of the cinema that said "for avatar, try again tomorrow at 11". Apparently that sign has been up all week :lol

I really liked it the first time.. I preferred it the second time. The 3D felt a lot less gimmicky. Going to see it once more later in the week. One of my friends didn't like it, i'm going to unfriend him on facebook.
 
Why are you guys even talking about the already obsolete 3dTVs that are coming out next years? Glasses are so old tech when there's these beauties.

article29593.html

3D without glasses
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/magnetic-unveils-a-clutch-of-glasses-free-3d-displays/
 
so i just saw the movie on Sunday night. It was actually better than I was expecting going in. Oddly enough the 3D is what threw me off. It was obviously a gorgeous movie, and the 3D as an effect worked, but it kind of made the movie seem faded and blurry. I can't wait for the BluRay to see it in non3D as I think I might actually like that more. It kind of felt like I was watching the movie through a viewmaster or something. Just felt kind of confined, its hard to explain.

The most impressive thing to me though is Sam Worthington's legs. WTF did they use some kind of special effects to make them look that gimpy or did he go on a Bale diet?
 
Hollywood filmmaker KATHRYN BIGELOW almost passed up the chance to direct award-winning war film THE HURT LOCKER - until her ex-husband JAMES CAMERON convinced her to take on the project.


Bigelow is already generating Oscar buzz with the hit movie, but Cameron confesses his ex wanted to make a film adaptation of Erik Larson’s book, The Devil in the White City, when the project came along.

The Avatar director, who says the pair are still friendly after their 1991 split, admits he advised his ex to drop the other film during a chat.

Cameron tells USA Today, “I encouraged her to do The Hurt Locker, because she had gotten that script and let me read it just for comment. I said, ‘Jump out of White City and do this film!’”

http://blog.taragana.com/e/2010/01/...-convinced-her-to-film-the-hurt-locker-76885/

Interesting!
 
VisionaryQuest0 said:
James Cameron just dipping his hands in everything, he really is king of the cinema world.
Heh. Speaking of which.

I got the art book today, and I must say, it's incredible. Some really gorgous studies and panoramas, but what really surprised me was Cameron's work in it. I knew he was an artist (since he drew Rose's picture in Titanic), and that he had saved the design of the thanator for himself, but he did a lot more than that. There's some close sketches of Neytiri and of Na'vi clothing that are just gorgeous, and of several of the different creatures.

And then there's this:
Cameron himself jump-started most of the initial designs for the film, sharing with artists everything from drawings on cocktail napkins to, in the case of the Venture Star, an eleven-page document on how the ship functioned, complete with light-speed calculations, pod dynamics, engine thermodynamics, architectural plans, and more.​
Damn.

Also, Avatar is cleaning up in China, with a bigger second day than first.

Latest news from China, Avatar has an estimated gross of 80M RMB (about $11.72M) as of Jan 5th, which means Avatar had a 45M RMB (about $6.59M) Tuesday.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Heh. Speaking of which.

I got the art book today, and I must say, it's incredible. Some really gorgous studies and panoramas, but what really surprised me was Cameron's work in it. I knew he was an artist (since he drew Rose's picture in Titanic), and that he had saved the design of the thanator for himself, but he did a lot more than that. There's some close sketches of Neytiri and of Na'vi clothing that are just gorgeous, and of several of the different creatures.

And then there's this:
Cameron himself jump-started most of the initial designs for the film, sharing with artists everything from drawings on cocktail napkins to, in the case of the Venture Star, an eleven-page document on how the ship functioned, complete with light-speed calculations, pod dynamics, engine thermodynamics, architectural plans, and more.​
Damn.

Also, Avatar is cleaning up in China, with a bigger second day than first.

You forgot that he originally designed the Alien Queen.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Heh. Speaking of which.

I got the art book today, and I must say, it's incredible. Some really gorgous studies and panoramas, but what really surprised me was Cameron's work in it. I knew he was an artist (since he drew Rose's picture in Titanic), and that he had saved the design of the thanator for himself, but he did a lot more than that. There's some close sketches of Neytiri and of Na'vi clothing that are just gorgeous, and of several of the different creatures.

And then there's this:
Cameron himself jump-started most of the initial designs for the film, sharing with artists everything from drawings on cocktail napkins to, in the case of the Venture Star, an eleven-page document on how the ship functioned, complete with light-speed calculations, pod dynamics, engine thermodynamics, architectural plans, and more.​
Damn.

Also, Avatar is cleaning up in China, with a bigger second day than first.

Where did you get the artbook from?

I'm VERY interested in this.
 
Dead said:
Didnt he also help in the final design of the Predator?

Yes, on a plane trip with Stan Winston, Stan was talking to him about how he should design it and Cameron expressed that he always wanted to see a monster with mandibles on the front of its face. Stan liked the idea so much that he started with that and worked backwards on the Predator. Then Bungie, loving Cameron's cock so much and running out of juice from Aliens, decided to put mandibles on the Elites.
 
The art book is gorgeous, but its too short

I really hope we see more books in the pipeline. There still isnt a book as good as WETAs "World of Kong" artbook
 
GhaleonEB said:
I did not forget that, I just didn't mention it because I'd made my point. :p

But yeah. Talk about being multi-talented.

Don't forget he's also a deep-sea diver, a pilot (chopper) and on the NASA Mars committee.
 
g35twinturbo said:
Where did you get the artbook from?

I'm VERY interested in this.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0810982862/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Scroll down to the customer video review, he flips through the book so you can get a feel for it.
Scullibundo said:
Don't forget he's also a deep-sea diver, a pilot (chopper) and on the NASA Mars committee.
Not sure if that was for the benefit of everyone else or myself, but I think you and I are probably on par as far as being Cameron fans go, so um, yeah. I know. :p
 
All the would be anachronisms of the 22nd century bothered me even more on the second viewing (ju-ju bees, ranger Rick) as well as the "war on terror" lingo (shock and awe, daisy cutters).

Otherwise I really enjoyed it on the second viewing. I was worried it would feel long because I knew all the plot points, but the long running tine soared by even on the second viewing. Well paced throughout.
 
Scullibundo said:
Is the book worth it? I wanted to get it but read it was pretty much a magazine.
It depends on what you want out of it, I suppose. It's exactly what I was hoping for, which is a ton of art from the early sketches on up to the detailed character studies and a host of multi-page panoramas of the landscape designs. It has some good introductory stuff (one long one from Peter Jackson), and then goes topic by topic through the different elements of the film, with 2-4 pages on each (each creature, Hometree, characters, clothing, skylines, etc.) and about a third page of text for each describing the design process and inspirations.

If that's what you're looking for, it's great. It's exactly what I was hoping for.
Dead said:
The only problem is that it is only 108 pages. The Amazon $17 price is pretty fair Id say.
Yup, I'd have hesitated at $30. But for $17 I think it's sizable enough to justify, and the content is great.
 
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