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Nazgul_Hunter said:
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This means that Avatar has a chance of extending its record for most consecutive days over $5m to 31 (next sunday). Previous record was Dark Knight with 20!
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Also up to 1.377 billion world wide....without Tuesday international numbers which were probably 20-22.
 
FirewalkR said:
Ghaleon, ERC and 'mojo still have that 3.x million difference? I remember when it happened but... why?

1.377 worldwide... well, 1.4 tomorrow. Or even today if it's a bit higher than yesterday.
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Yeah, no one seems to understand why. Mojo's international total was off ~$3m the first weekend compared to what everyone else reports, and has stayed that way ever since. No one seems to know what's up.
 
I don't usually care about these squabbles, but yeah..... bitching about Avatar taking from halo.... :lol

reminds me of the simpsons episode:

Homer stuck on a speeding bus
"Oh my god!! This is exactly like the movie Speed 2, only instead of a boat we're on a bus!"

Every "bald space marine" stereotype out there is lifted from Aliens either directly or indirectly (usually lifting from Warhammer 40K or the future scenes from T2). In this case everything from the marines to the mechs to the vehicles were almost directly lifted from Aliens which, as he said, he is more than entitled to do.
 
ahoyhoy said:
That doesn't change the fact that the movie itself is extremely critical of humanity as a whole, or at least modern society. If we can assume that Worthington became disenchanted with humanity as a whole and lost sight of what he used to believe he was and the people he used to call his peers, what hope do the rest of them have? They obviously cannot see the folly of their ways, as they were granted access to this bountiful planet with a rich, bio-diverse history and a literal biological computer under their feet and yet could not resist the allure of a few tons of shiny rock. Instead of negotiating a slow, fair mining process that would result in billions of "Unobtainium" being mined every day (instead of trillions I can assume) while maintaining peaceful relations with the natives, the majority of the people on that settlement (and I'm talking probably 95%) decided to abandon all moral quandary and potentially obliterate an intelligent species. At least if the Na'Vi were portrayed as anything other than a benevolent, self-sustaining, almost "magical" people, there would be some level of comparison that could be drawn, justifying the humans actions somehow and making the entire experience seem more believable and less depressing overall.

So I say again: what hope does Cameron leave for us? We all clearly cannot live with the Na'Vi (both literally due to the poisonous atmosphere and socially due to their clear lack of trust in the "Sky People"). The only person who seems to learn their lesson in this movie is Worthington and a handful of scientists. Even the "suit", while looking somewhat remorseful at the end as being marched back to his shuttle, probably feels more embarrassment rather than guilt at the hundreds of human and Na'Vi lives he indirectly caused. Our "dying" planet will continue to decay and humans will eventually destroy themselves. Awesome.

Oh, and I also don't understand why everyone is getting depressed about how awesome Pandora is. People are giving Cameron way too much credit with designing the planet as "original". It's essentially just like the jungles we find on Earth, just with more glowey objects. It is incredibly dangerous, yet hauntingly beautiful. As long as we preserve our rain forests, you should be able to find species just as diverse (if not more so) on our own planet.
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I am going to respond with. Well of course! The thing is I don't find anything Cameron uses thematically at all derogatory to our modern culture and society. We are extremely destructive and constantly kill everything and everyone that slows down our juggernaut of civilization from consuming all it possibly can. If we are still the same way in 150 years as this film portrays I would fully expect us to just try to wipe out and remove any extraterrestrial indigenous life we find. It would simply be the same thing we are doing now.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Yeah, no one seems to understand why. Mojo's international total was off ~$3m the first weekend compared to what everyone else reports, and has stayed that way ever since. No one seems to know what's up.
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It's because every other site counts Puerto Rico (right now at ~$4,2m) towards the Foreign figure, though it's already contained in the US number. Only BOM seems to know that I guess.
 
DarkMehm said:
It's because every other site counts Puerto Rico (right now at ~$4,2m) towards the Foreign figure, though it's already contained in the US number. Only BOM seems to know that I guess.
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Interesting.

Not sure that makes any sense, since everyone gets the same set of domestic and international figures, and Fox issues and confirms them daily. That implies it's Fox that is getting them wrong, and Mojo is adjusting what Fox is reporting.
 
Fox does issue the Puerto Rico figure separately, but I guess that is just to show how much a movie has done in that region.

I don't know for 100% if what I'm saying is true, but it's always the Puerto Rico figure missing in BOMs overseas totals. Obviously, BOM could be wrong with the Puerto Rico issue, but I trust them in this case.
 
Pandora as a planet is definitely not original and many videogames (especially some RPG's) have created far far more complex and detailed worlds with lots of thought and care into them. But it is the first time something like it has been made for a movie.

Though Azeroth probably is the most complex videogame world right now. Too bad it's all an MMO
 
ArachosiA 78 said:
Seen it 3 times now, but I still don't get one thing.
At the end when Neytiri is trying to revive Jake's avatar after she kills Quaritch, she somehow suddenly realizes that his human form is in the trailer next to her, and she jumps in to save him. There doesn't seem to be anything to inform her of this; she just figures it out on her own. She's obviously an intelligent creature, but I still find it hard to accept that she is able to figure this out on her own.

Furthermore, she is able to figure out that Jake needs the emergency air mask to stay alive. I suppose she could have recalled seeing other humans wearing these masks, but how would she know what they are for?
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Jake got help from the Na'vi to get Grace transported when she was dying. At least that's what I assumed from the scenes. They would know what the trailer was for then.
 
duckroll said:
I'm not sure what the reference is supposed to indicate. The movie is still running, unlike any of the other films listed there.
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Yeah but 3 weeks should over 50% of its final cross and top movies routinely get 90+ every year in Japan
 
I have a severely handicapped friend who I took to see this movie. He was a little confused at first because he did not understand that wheelchair Jake was the same as blue Jake. Once we got that sorted out, he loved it. It was more fun for me to watch his facial expressions during the big scenes than it was to actually watch the movie, and I love this movie.

Anyway, I was wondering if any of you 'shop experts would be willing to help me do something nice for my friend. I think he would get a big kick out of having his picture turned Navi. I'd prefer not to post his face on the internet, but depending on the final product, would probably not be opposed to show the Navi-ized version.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
DarkMehm said:
Fox does issue the Puerto Rico figure separately, but I guess that is just to show how much a movie has done in that region.

I don't know for 100% if what I'm saying is true, but it's always the Puerto Rico figure missing in BOMs overseas totals. Obviously, BOM could be wrong with the Puerto Rico issue, but I trust them in this case.
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Well yeah, coincidently someone asked BOM about this matter and here is the answer from an admin:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/forums/viewtopic.htm?t=81768
 
DarkMehm said:
Well yeah, coincidently someone asked BOM about this matter and here is the answer from an admin:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/forums/viewtopic.htm?t=81768
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Well there ya go. Thanks.

That still doesn't explain why everyone else has the same domestic total as BOM, but a different international. If they're adding PR to the international take and BOM to the domestic, everyone else should have a lower domestic and higher international to offset it, instead of the same domestic and higher international. The totals don't add up.

At any rate - Tuesday actuals: 5,066,734. Down less than one percent from Monday. Will probably dip below $5m today, but if it doesn't it has a shot at saying above it until next Tuesday and really extend the record.
 
syllogism said:
Yeah but 3 weeks should over 50% of its final cross and top movies routinely get 90+ every year in Japan
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Avatar's having a pretty leggy run in Japan, though--people weren't predicting 90m after its relatively weak opening. I'd say it has a decent shot at 100m+, though given how terrible the Japanese film market has gotten over the past decade (especially for Hollywood movies) and how ridiculous Titanic was there I don't see it coming anywhere close to the all-time record or anything.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Well there ya go. Thanks.

That still doesn't explain why everyone else has the same domestic total as BOM, but a different international. If they're adding PR to the international take and BOM to the domestic, everyone else should have a lower domestic and higher international to offset it, instead of the same domestic and higher international. The totals don't add up.
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The other sites add PR to both accidently, because I guess they don't know that PR is already in the domestic figure. It's easy to mess up when Fox is giving away regional breakdowns without letting everyone know not to add PR to the Foreign figure.
 
DarkMehm said:
The other sites add PR to both accidently, because I guess they don't know that PR is already in the domestic figure. It's easy to mess up when Fox is giving away regional breakdowns without letting everyone know not to add PR to the Foreign figure.
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In the end, I don't really care since I'm using BOM's figures due to their comprehensiveness, and it's such a small dollar figure. But I just don't buy that BOM is the only site out there reporting it correctly, while everyone else gets it wrong. I haven't seen a single outlet - Variety, Hollywood Reporter, Box Office Guru, etc. - report BOM's figure and I just can't fathom everyone else getting it wrong in lockstep. But like I said, it won't really matter when it's all said and done.
 
ahoyhoy said:
That doesn't change the fact that the movie itself is extremely critical of humanity as a whole, or at least modern society. If we can assume that Worthington became disenchanted with humanity as a whole and lost sight of what he used to believe he was and the people he used to call his peers, what hope do the rest of them have? They obviously cannot see the folly of their ways, as they were granted access to this bountiful planet with a rich, bio-diverse history and a literal biological computer under their feet and yet could not resist the allure of a few tons of shiny rock. Instead of negotiating a slow, fair mining process that would result in billions of "Unobtainium" being mined every day (instead of trillions I can assume) while maintaining peaceful relations with the natives, the majority of the people on that settlement (and I'm talking probably 95%) decided to abandon all moral quandary and potentially obliterate an intelligent species. At least if the Na'Vi were portrayed as anything other than a benevolent, self-sustaining, almost "magical" people, there would be some level of comparison that could be drawn, justifying the humans actions somehow and making the entire experience seem more believable and less depressing overall.
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First off, it is never said that unobtainium is a magical cure all that will somehow save humanity. It is rather described as something that gets "20 million a kilo". That strikes me as greed and profit driven rather than the RDA being on Pandora for some "great humanitarian" effort. So if we assume it is purely profit driven, the humans (RDA) would continue to expand and drain the planet dry, since according to Selfridge, the shareholders just want to see results and profit--he doesn't make the "rules".

As far as the "peaceful negoiations" you speak of, WTF do you think they were doing on Pandora with the scientists? That was the attempt at diplomacy. And it went on long enough for them to build schools and teach generations the English of the "Sky People". When Jake arrives on Pandora, all peaceful options have been exhausted after many years. There will be no peaceful mining agreement. Not when undying greed is the motivator.

So I say again: what hope does Cameron leave for us? We all clearly cannot live with the Na'Vi (both literally due to the poisonous atmosphere and socially due to their clear lack of trust in the "Sky People"). The only person who seems to learn their lesson in this movie is Worthington and a handful of scientists. Even the "suit", while looking somewhat remorseful at the end as being marched back to his shuttle, probably feels more embarrassment rather than guilt at the hundreds of human and Na'Vi lives he indirectly caused. Our "dying" planet will continue to decay and humans will eventually destroy themselves. Awesome.
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Cameron leaves for us what we have collectively left for ourselves due to years of misuse of our home world. The bed we made we have to sleep, or rather "No fate but what we make." WE MADE OUR FATE. Humanity as a collective, doesn't care (even now) how they get their 99 cent hamburgers or gasoline, but only that we get them when want them. I would imagine that in 150 years, no one on Earth would care how we got Unobtainium, only that we get it. Just because Jake "got it"(in regards to respecting the ecosystem on Pandora), most humans probably wouldn't and would have no desire to live on Pandora, by Pandora's rules.

Oh, and I also don't understand why everyone is getting depressed about how awesome Pandora is. People are giving Cameron way too much credit with designing the planet as "original". It's essentially just like the jungles we find on Earth, just with more glowey objects. It is incredibly dangerous, yet hauntingly beautiful. As long as we preserve our rain forests, you should be able to find species just as diverse (if not more so) on our own planet.
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Agreed.
 
tralfazz said:
Jake got help from the Na'vi to get Grace transported when she was dying. At least that's what I assumed from the scenes. They would know what the trailer was for then.
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Additionally, when they were trying to "transfer" Grace, she had her mask on, so the Na'vi would know about the mask as well.
Thus it makes perfect sense that they would know 1) Where/what the trailer is for and 2) that the humans couldn't survive in the atmosphere.
 
It's also easy to forget that the humans have been on the planet for a rather long time (20 years or so) and they probably interacted with each other even before using Avatars. Since the movie does little to talk about the past, it's easy for the viewer to forget this and just assume that humans are still relatively new on the planet, or that they haven't interacted with the Na'vi that much.
 
ToxicAdam said:
I thought the liberal message in Avatar was so cheesy and over the top that it wouldn't effect people in a serious way. It covers such common tropes that exist in other movies that it's hard to even quantify it as a "message" and more like a Hollywood cliche.
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Yeah, I understand your point. But my in-laws are so hardcore conservative that they didn't even like Wall-E because of the environmentalist message. They'd HATE Avatar with a passion.
 
icarus-daedelus said:
Avatar will pass Star Wars in a few days, but TDK and Titanic are further out. Not much of a gap left, though, considering the movie has been out for less than a month.
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Yeah. I'll post my graph again before the weekend, but I think Star Wars goes down on Friday, and TDK next weekend (not this upcoming one).

After that, it's a crawl to see if the legs can get it to Titanic. WW it's an absolute given.
 
LosDaddie said:
Yeah, I understand your point. But my in-laws are so hardcore conservative that they didn't even like Wall-E because of the environmentalist message. They'd HATE Avatar with a passion.
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And they'd be the ones on a dying Earth, 150 years from now, denying it all till the bitter end.

No offense.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Yeah. I'll post my graph again before the weekend, but I think Star Wars goes down on Friday, and TDK next weekend (not this upcoming one).

After that, it's a crawl to see if the legs can get it to Titanic. WW it's an absolute given.
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Which Star Wars? Ep1 I assume? If it was the original that would be crazy business since tickets were average 2-3$ back then.
 
Dead said:
Well, to be fair, doesn't it also includes the Special Edition re-release in its gross?
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Yes. All re-releases are included on the charts. Which is why Gone with the Wind is at the top of the adjusted chart. :p

Looking ahead, it looks like Avatar is going to be the second fastest to $450m, behind TDK by a couple days. And then the fastest to $500m after the long weekend - by nearly two weeks.

Edit:

There are two planned sequels but they won't be one continuous story, they'll be self-contained. They'll also follow Jake and Neytiri.
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Very good. I much prefer a series of self-contained stories than to try and retrofit the series into a trilogy.
 
Just got back, and damn that was a good movie. Most of the flying sequences reminded me of the game Panzer Dragoon Orta, so that was cool, and the
crazy flaming entrance leading into the last fight
was a great scene setter.
 
Teknoman said:
Just got back, and damn that was a good movie. Most of the flying sequences reminded me of the game Panzer Dragoon Orta, so that was cool, and the
crazy flaming entrance leading into the last fight
was a great scene setter.
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There's a shot near the end after Jake's big speech when he hops on the
big damn bird
, and the camera pans to the side while it lets out a screech, the bright white of the tree of souls in the background. It's a gorgeous moment, and if you'd told me it was straight out of Panzer Dragoon, I'd believe you.

Which might have something to do with why I love the flying scenes so much. :D
 
Get a load of this sweet article about the visual effects over at CGSociety: http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=5434

Just a little something to whet your appetites:

Allitt wrote a system that allowed Weta's artists to plant (programming) seeds in Massive that accomplished this, as explained by VFX Supervisor Eric Saindon. "It was very interesting. You could actually watch a forest grow in real time with this solution, and any TD could grow just by painting colors on the terrain." With this elegant solution, the big trees would grow first, then the smaller trees would die off as the big trees took away the light, the smaller trees would fight for position, the ground cover would fill in where it could get light."
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Yes. The awesome.
 
I don't have eyes big enough to truly express my "rolleyes" feeling at the ENTIRE f-ing world uniting in song to praise this crap movie!
 
MetalAlien said:
I don't have eyes big enough to truly express my "rolleyes" feeling at the ENTIRE f-ing world uniting in song to praise this crap movie!
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MetalAlien said:
I don't have eyes big enough to truly express my "rolleyes" feeling at the ENTIRE f-ing world uniting in song to praise this crap movie!
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Opinions.

Anyway, I don't want to look again at your avatar BUT.. where the hell is that from? :lol
 
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