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Rottenwatch: AVATAR (82%)

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Scullibundo said:
Ah man, would much rather The ART of AVATAR but there isn't a Big W anywhere around where I live in Sydney. JB it is then. Was going to get it from them anyway so this is a bonus.
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Another pre-order bonus I found is at EzyDVD - I doubt you’ll have one close to you if you don’t even have a Big W close to you, but if you pre-order with them you get a nice free tin case.
 
Tricky I Shadow said:
Another pre-order bonus I found is at EzyDVD - I doubt you’ll have one close to you if you don’t even have a Big W close to you, but if you pre-order with them you get a nice free tin case.
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You don't even have to pre-order with ezydvd. Ezydvd have been doing those shitty tin cases for years. They just impose the box art onto a shitty tin and lift certain parts of it. Only decent one they've done is for V for Vendetta.
 
Scullibundo said:
You don't even have to pre-order with ezydvd. Ezydvd have been doing those shitty tin cases for years. They just impose the box art onto a shitty tin and lift certain parts of it. Only decent one they've done is for V for Vendetta.
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Yeah, they have those tins for pretty much every new release now lol...but at the moment I'm leaning towards pre-ordering from Big W. If anyone has both the books be sure to let me know what your opinions on them both are! :D
 
If I remember from impressions correctly, the Survival Guide was actually widely held to be better than the Art of book, yet I'm just not crazy about that kiddy looking cover for the Survival Guide and only really want the art.
 
Scullibundo said:
If I remember from impressions correctly, the Survival Guide was actually widely held to be better than the Art of book, yet I'm just not crazy about that kiddy looking cover for the Survival Guide and only really want the art.
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I agree with this 100%. I love the art book, but the Survival Guide was a much better purchase in my opinion. It went into some crazy detail on some stuff and dropped some information that I could see them using in the sequel/s.
 
Somnia said:
I agree with this 100%. I love the art book, but the Survival Guide was a much better purchase in my opinion. It went into some crazy detail on some stuff and dropped some information that I could see them using in the sequel/s.
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I have both, and really prefer the art book. I've skimmed and read part of the Survival Guide, but I really don't like the style it's written in.
 
The Blu-Ray will be $19.99 at Target when it comes out.

Scullibundo said:
Yeah he said a while week or so ago he wanted to shoot part of the sequel in the Amazon.
Like it matters. :lol
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Seriously. The environments were already 100% photoreal.
 
Just a heads up: Kmart has all Avatar toys on clearance, and at my store they're taking an additional 50% off the clearance price. I got an AMP Suit, a Great Leonopteryx, Jake, and Quarritch for $19.

I've still yet to see a Movie Masters Neytiri in the wild. Fuckin Mattel.
 
People are starting to get the Blu-Ray

early thought

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=18487256&postcount=384

I received the blu last night and watched about 45 min (skipping around chapters). Here's my take:

By FAR the most beautiful looking bluray i have seen to date, bar none. Anyone who says otherwise, has no idea what they are talking about when it comes to visual presentation. It's that incredible. Seriously, i was in awe. This will, without a doubt, be the next demo disc. I really want to hear complaints about this disc as it will weed out people who just love to whine and have no idea what they are talking about.

Audio is top notch as well. I couldn't crank it due to living in a NYC apartment, having a 15" sub and starting at 11pm.

There are menus. PLAY MOVIE - SETUP - SEARCH (either scenes or bookmarks). The back of the box mentions THX, but no THX intro at the start (unless i skipped it by accident).

FYI - my setup is as follows:

58" Panasonic Vera THX G series (ISF calibrated) - 8 foot viewing distance.
LG BD390
Integra Receiver
KEF KHT ACE 9000 x 6
Def Tech Subercube 15"

Just a mind boggling transfer, ladies and gents. If you dont care about added value material, it's a no brainer. I stake my reputation on this disc.
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Scullibundo said:
I've already got it pre-ordered and will get the Special Edition at the end of the year as well.
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Yeah, with the cheap price here, ill get it pricematched at Best Buy and use my Reward zone certs. Will be able to get it for $10.
 
Ed Douglas from CS was at the Avatar Blu-ray presentation:
Had a great time at the Fox Home Entertainment Avatar presentation... got lots of great stuff from producer Jon Landau.

The Avatar Blu-Ray looks pristine... just really crystal clear and amazed by the colors and lighting, very different from the darker 3D.
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:D
 
BluRay sounds great. I was thinking of passing on buying it and waiting for SE. But I think I might pick this one up then, doesn't it come with coupon for the later edition anyways?

Also Sigourney Weaver sounds like a bitter shit in that interview. Though it is a bit agreeable. Bigelow deserved that award over Cameron for her own merit though, not just because she was a woman (which was why she won).

And I'm glad they don't always give it out to the epics. Old Hollywood was all about studios studios studios. It's still pretty similar but sometimes the little guy wins. Audience numbers shouldn't be factored into these awards at all.
 
Scullibundo said:
That's based on where he saw it originally! Could mean nothing to those of us who saw it at a cinema with great exhibition practices.
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Realistically only a small percentage of chain theaters have "great exhibition practices". Even if you have the best wouldn't the Blu-ray be the most pristine over 3D?
 
DanielPlainview said:
Realistically only a small percentage of chain theaters have "great exhibition practices". Even if you have the best wouldn't the Blu-ray be the most pristine over 3D?
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Some theaters will use two projectors for 3d, others just one, and in some cases they'll use a very large screen with an underpowered projector.

From what I understand, a new generation of 3d projectors are comming that put out more more light.


Cameron used Panasonic plasmas, and for home use they currently offer the best 3d.
 
Schrade said:
I kind of agree with her. The Hurt Locker wasn't very good. I think Quentin Tarantino should have gotten the awards for both director and best movie but I think "the academy" is generally against Quentin.

James Cameron was definitely second best.
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Wall-e, never forget.

I am just not gonna see Avatar out of theaters, I have a feeling doing such would definitely make me take the plot for what it was.
 
DanielPlainview said:
Realistically only a small percentage of chain theaters have "great exhibition practices". Even if you have the best wouldn't the Blu-ray be the most pristine over 3D?
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I doubt the blu-ray will have better image quality. It looked perfect in the RealD theater I watched it, no brightness issues at all.

Also, 2D. Bleh.
 
Bigelow made a great film, but nothing she did was even close to the magnitude and degree of difficulty of what Cameron accomplished.
 
I just finished watching Hurt Locker for the first time. Literally the movie just ended about 5 minutes ago. I'm baffled for how she won directing. Her style, if you will, was pulled off way better by Neil Blomkamp. Cameron had to orchestrate entire new technology in 3d, cameras, emotion capture, and the revolutionary but rarely mention simul-cam.(probably because people still don't understand exactly what it does) on top of all that, he manage to convince the entire world that blue aliens are compelling enough to carry a 2.5 hour film. Not to mention how Avatar has some of the most visually breathtaking shots in recent years. WTF, oscars?
 
Bit-Bit said:
I just finished watching Hurt Locker for the first time. Literally the movie just ended about 5 minutes ago. I'm baffled for how she won directing. Her style, if you will, was pulled off way better by Neil Blomkamp. Cameron had to orchestrate entire new technology in 3d, cameras, emotion capture, and the revolutionary but rarely mention simul-cam.(probably because people still don't understand exactly what it does) on top of all that, he manage to convince the entire world that blue aliens are compelling enough to carry a 2.5 hour film. Not to mention how Avatar has some of the most visually breathtaking shots in recent years.
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I have to agree. I won't even remember The Hurt Locker 6 months from now.

If it was between she and Cameron, Cameron got robbed blind.
 
Bit-Bit said:
I just finished watching Hurt Locker for the first time. Literally the movie just ended about 5 minutes ago. I'm baffled for how she won directing. Her style, if you will, was pulled off way better by Neil Blomkamp. Cameron had to orchestrate entire new technology in 3d, cameras, emotion capture, and the revolutionary but rarely mention simul-cam.(probably because people still don't understand exactly what it does) on top of all that, he manage to convince the entire world that blue aliens are compelling enough to carry a 2.5 hour film. Not to mention how Avatar has some of the most visually breathtaking shots in recent years. WTF, oscars?
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The real travesty is that the Hurt Locker won the Best Original Screenplay over Tarintino! I'm sorry but the Hurt Locker's strengths are not in the writing department.
 
Puddles said:
Bigelow made a great film, but nothing she did was even close to the magnitude and degree of difficulty of what Cameron accomplished.
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Maybe we need a new category for Biggest and Most Difficult To Make Picture?

I would have been fine with Avatar winning Best Picture
 
Gary Whitta said:
Maybe we need a new category for Biggest and Most Difficult To Make Picture?
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If it means film-makers take on preposterously complex, archaic, and cumbersome literary and historical epics precisely in order to win the Big, Difficult, and Expensive award, I'm in.
 
Bit-Bit said:
I just finished watching Hurt Locker for the first time. Literally the movie just ended about 5 minutes ago. I'm baffled for how she won directing. Her style, if you will, was pulled off way better by Neil Blomkamp. Cameron had to orchestrate entire new technology in 3d, cameras, emotion capture, and the revolutionary but rarely mention simul-cam.(probably because people still don't understand exactly what it does) on top of all that, he manage to convince the entire world that blue aliens are compelling enough to carry a 2.5 hour film. Not to mention how Avatar has some of the most visually breathtaking shots in recent years. WTF, oscars?
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I rented it because of the hoopla it got, and I was shocked at how empty, stale, and relentlessly pointless it all was. Yeah, I understand the "message" or whatever but that message just didn't pertain to me whatsoever. I didn't care about the suspenseful scenes because I didn't care about the characters. I had no reason to. What part of the script is so witty and clever and deep that it should win over Inglorious Basterds, which had some of the most vibrant dialogue ever and genuinely great characters? Also, it got nominated for best score, but none of the music was memorable, like to the point that I don't even remember a single note from it, whereas some truly incredible film scores lost out to it like Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, which has a brilliant score. I thought it was well shot and the acting was fine or whatever but beyond that I have nothing positive to say about it. Avatar wasn't anything exceptionally deep or overly brilliant outside of its visuals but at least I gave a shit about what was going on and actually cared about more than a few of the characters.
 
Bit-Bit said:
I just finished watching Hurt Locker for the first time. Literally the movie just ended about 5 minutes ago. I'm baffled for how she won directing. Her style, if you will, was pulled off way better by Neil Blomkamp. Cameron had to orchestrate entire new technology in 3d, cameras, emotion capture, and the revolutionary but rarely mention simul-cam.(probably because people still don't understand exactly what it does) on top of all that, he manage to convince the entire world that blue aliens are compelling enough to carry a 2.5 hour film. Not to mention how Avatar has some of the most visually breathtaking shots in recent years. WTF, oscars?
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You'll notice, perhaps, that Avatar pretty much swept the technical awards. Which is what you're talking about here.
 
the walrus said:
The real travesty is that the Hurt Locker won the Best Original Screenplay over Tarintino! I'm sorry but the Hurt Locker's strengths are not in the writing department.
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You brought this up and it got me thinking. Tarantino was robbed for sure. Hurt Locker did not have a praise worthy script. The movie is still fresh in my head and I can't think of any memorable dialog nor do I care about any of the characters. It didn't help that the main character kept pissing me off. Try that shit In the real military and you're not going to last very long.
 
maharg said:
You'll notice, perhaps, that Avatar pretty much swept the technical awards. Which is what you're talking about here.
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I'm also saying that it takes a great director to get all of that together and working. I mentioned the shots in the film are some of the best in recent years. I'm talking about the framing and compositions of the shots. It's this combination of tech and art that I credit to Cameron and believe that is why he should have won best director. Sorry I wasn't too clear.
 
Bit-Bit said:
I'm also saying that it takes a great director to get all of that together and working. I mentioned the shots in the film are some of the best in recent years. I'm talking about the framing and compositions of the shots. It's this combination of tech and art that I credit to Cameron and believe that is why he should have won best director. Sorry I wasn't too clear.
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You are describing cinematography, which is a category Avatar won in. It was a bit of a breakthrough as well, since it is - I think - the first animated (or rather, virtually filmed) movie to receive the award in that category. Traditionalists such as Ebert were outraged that a classically filmed movie didn't win it.

I thought it deserved that one at least as much as effects, personally.

I haven't seen The Hurt Locker, but it's on my Netflix queue. I thought Avatar was brilliantly directed - far and away Cameron's best. So I can't say whether I thought it was superior in that category or not.
 
one of the member from blu-ray already got it and here is his impression

Just Finished watching it and have to say hands down THE BEST LOOKING BLU RAY EVER MADE TO THIS DAY. JUST WOOOOOW THIS MOVIE LOOKS SO GOOD DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THIS WHEN I WENT TO MY DOO DOO MOVIE THEATERS .THIS IS A MUST HAVE FOR EVERY MEMBER ON THIS SITE ITS GONNA TAKE A GOD LIKE MOVIE TO EVEN COME CLOSE TO HOW GREAT THIS LOOKS .I SO WISH I HAD A BETTER CAMERA

WARNING MY CAMERA SUCKS BAD LOOKS BETTER IN PERSON
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http://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mo...ar-blu-ray-release-thread-94.html#post3157038
 
GhaleonEB said:
You are describing cinematography, which is a category Avatar won in. It was a bit of a breakthrough as well, since it is - I think - the first animated (or rather, virtually filmed) movie to receive the award in that category. Traditionalists such as Ebert were outraged that a classically filmed movie didn't win it.

I thought it deserved that one at least as much as effects, personally.

I haven't seen The Hurt Locker, but it's on my Netflix queue. I thought Avatar was brilliantly directed - far and away Cameron's best. So I can't say whether I thought it was superior in that category or not.
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It sucks because Cameron has a huge hand in the DP's job. He's hands on all the way in every department, but a lot of people forget he was an art director/set designer first. He pushed the different methods of shooting and the new visual effects tools to the limit - obviously with some help, but he was the one who understood that to do certain things, they needed to find new methodologies. This is why I'm sort of half-hearted about Tin Tin, even though Spielberg is using the same tech. Because Steven isn't even going hands-on in post-production, let alone to the degree that Cameron is. Viewing a few new rendered composites and making notes via videophone isn't exactly the same as working in the studio with the artists.
 
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