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[Solo]

Cameron doesn't forget though. You just know a lot of things Cameron either had to abandon or didn't get to will surface in A2.

Biehn, Paxton and Arnie for A2 plz.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Don't forget Jeanette Goldstein.

 

[Solo]

Odds are pretty good at least one will be in it.

Weaver is gone (in body anyways) so Biehn could get back in, Paxton will be done with Big Love, Arnie will no longer be a politician.

Goddamn, 3 more years

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I want Arnold the most.

There is nothing quite like a Cameron/Schwarzenegger pairing. Plus, Cameron could pull the greatest feat of all off with Arnold and that is using the Perf-cap system to bring him back to his iconic late 80s presence.

 

[TacticalFox88]

And to think...Avatar's technology, is already outdated, yet it still a treat for the eyes.Just imagining what Cameron will do with the sequel is just....:O

 

[Solo]

Indeed Sculli. Best part is he's perfect for either type of role - I can picture him as another military type sent to reclaim Pandora, but I can also picture him in Na'vi form.

 

[StuBurns]

How is it outdated?

 

[TacticalFox88]

How is it outdated?

Progression of computer technology. Everything becomes outdated within two years. I have no doubt that they've already improved upon it.

 

[Solo]

How is it outdated?

Yeah, I was gonna say.... its still unparalleled, which makes it anything but outdated.

 

[StuBurns]

Progression of computer technology. Everything becomes outdated within two years. I have no doubt that they've already improved upon it.

I don't think I know what you're talking about, so I'll just retract the question.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I do NOT want Arnold in Na'vi form. LOL.

I want to see him as somebody that could take a Na'vi down mano-e-mano through combat tactics built over lifetime of spec-ops campaigns.

But more than that, if A1 was a mesh between Titanic and Aliens, I want A2 to inject some Terminator in there with the idea I keep preaching where another avatar has been grown and is acting as an infiltrator in order to terminate Jake's command...with extreme prejudice.

 

[Solo]

I still believe that we'll be getting a HEAVY dose of humans in both sequels. Highest grossing movie ever or not, its a hard sell to make two more movies without people in them.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

He's already said humans will be returning. And I can't see the Na'vi exploring the other moons of Polyphemus in A3 without the humans.

 

[Solo]

Now find a way to get some human Zoe for me to ogle in A2, and we'll be cookin'!

Even with green dots all over her face during mo-cap sessions she is still unbearably gorgeous.

 

[StuBurns]

My dream is some Godfather 2 shit, two stories, one post-A1, one pre. You can have Weaver and Lang having their beef over the English language school etc, and the Jake/Neytiri stuff, linking them together with Schwarzenegger as antagonistic in both.

You could even probably retro-con and have Worthington play Jake's brother.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I just want to find out why the Na'vi are anthropomorphic. Cameron said he'd answer that question in the sequels.

Was Pandora seeded?

 

[DrForester]

I still believe that we'll be getting a HEAVY dose of humans in both sequels. Highest grossing movie ever or not, its a hard sell to make two more movies without people in them.

I'm really holding out hope for no humans. In the universe they've set up, human's returning makes no sense. It's a corporation, and their entire operation was decimated. They'd be starting from scratch. Why not go find a new source of smurfberries. The movie also seemed to imply that there was a certain public sympathy for the Navi. There's no reason for them to return. Give me a fun Navi adventure.

I just want to find out why the Na'vi are anthropomorphic. Cameron said he'd answer that question in the sequels.

Was Pandora seeded?

Ugh, that just seems to be one of those "we just accept it" things. No reason to explain.

 

[StuBurns]

I just want to find out why the Na'vi are anthropomorphic. Cameron said he'd answer that question in the sequels.

Was Pandora seeded?

I thought he said he'd answer it in a book that was meant to be out like a year ago. I wonder what happened to that.

 

[TacticalFox88]

I just want to find out why the Na'vi are anthropomorphic. Cameron said he'd answer that question in the sequels.

Was Pandora seeded?

That's an interesting thing to want to know. Why?

 

[DonMigs85]

I just want to find out why the Na'vi are anthropomorphic. Cameron said he'd answer that question in the sequels.

Was Pandora seeded?

Yeah, plus every other beast has 4 eyes and 6 legs. Maybe they were seeded or originated off-world?

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I'm really holding out hope for no humans. In the universe they've set up, human's returning makes no sense. It's a corporation, and their entire operation was decimated. They'd be starting from scratch. Why not go find a new source of smurfberries. The movie also seemed to imply that there was a certain public sympathy for the Navi. There's no reason for them to return. Give me a fun Navi adventure.

Because they're human beings and if unobtainium holds the key to our survival, you can bet your ass we're going to return. Survival first, moral ambivalence later.

 

[Count Dookkake]

I just want to find out why the Na'vi are anthropomorphic. Cameron said he'd answer that question in the sequels.

Was Pandora seeded?

Or perhaps we are gonna meet some really ugly bastards in the sequels.

 

[Solo]

If we look at Cameron's only sequel, T2, as a guide for A2, then we'd be looking at something of a super duper slick remake. Thing is, unlike T1, A1 was already super duper in terms of production values and effects, so you can't go that route. Kind of by default, A2 will thankfully have to be a complete departure.

 

[Jack Scofield]

In the sequel, the Navi should back-engineer the Avatar program so they can use human bodies. Then they go to Earth and stop pollution and help humans reconnect with Mother Nature.

It fits the environmentalist theme of Avatar 1 and solves the issue of having no human actors in the second film. Two birds with one stone. We've already seen everything on Pandora anyway, so there'd be no loss there.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Yeah, every other animal on Pandora is a hexapod.

I think it could be an interesting mystery to explore. What are these bipedal sentient creatures doing on Pandora?

 

[TacticalFox88]

In the sequel, the Navi should back-engineer the Avatar program so they can use human bodies. Then they go to Earth and stop pollution and help humans reconnect with Mother Nature.

It fits the environmentalist theme of Avatar 1 and solves the issue of having no human actors in the second film. Two birds with one stone. We've already seen everything on Pandora anyway, so there'd be no loss there.

How would they even do that? The Na'vi barely understand basic technology let along engineering.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

If we look at Cameron's only sequel, T2, as a guide for A2, then we'd be looking at something of a super duper slick remake. Thing is, unlike T1, A1 was already super duper in terms of production values and effects, so you can't go that route. Kind of by default, A2 will thankfully have to be a complete departure.

I'm really hoping for something along the lines of an Aliens sequel. Traces of the original, but radical departure in tone.

In the sequel, the Navi should back-engineer the Avatar program so they can use human bodies. Then they go to Earth and stop pollution and help humans reconnect with Mother Nature.

It fits the environmentalist theme of Avatar 1 and solves the issue of having no human actors in the second film. Two birds with one stone. We've already seen everything on Pandora anyway, so there'd be no loss there.

This is the worst idea I've heard.

 

[DrForester]

Yeah, every other animal on Pandora is a hexapod.

I think it could be an interesting mystery to explore. What are these bipedal sentient creatures doing on Pandora?

::insert redlettermedia review explanation for Navi design here::

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

::insert redlettermedia review explanation for Navi design here::

Oh I understand that, but Cameron has himself said there is a narrative story as to why they look like they do as well.

 

[StuBurns]

If we look at Cameron's only sequel, T2, as a guide for A2, then we'd be looking at something of a super duper slick remake. Thing is, unlike T1, A1 was already super duper in terms of production values and effects, so you can't go that route. Kind of by default, A2 will thankfully have to be a complete departure.

It'd be cool for him to actually stray from the first movie a lot. Aliens is a whole different thing because the first one was Scott's, but he did an amazing job of making the opening act Alien 2, before completely changing course and making it something very different, even opting for a four act structure.

I'm sure we'll still get a very broad personal politics theme as is typical with Cameron's scripts, but I'd love him to surprise me in terms of the greater beats being very different.

EDIT: Beaten.

 

[DrForester]

Oh I understand that, but Cameron has himself said there is a narrative story as to why they look like they do as well.

Hope it never sees the light of day. It's something like The Force, or why Klingons suddenly changes appearances in Star Trek. The real reason is 100% for production purposes, and trying to create an in-universe explanation is simply unnecessary.

When you do something that the audience accepts. Roll with it.

 

[Solo]

If you apply the timeline from the first film to this one, then they will be shooting by January of 2012. Thats like, not far away at all. Although I'm guessing with the pipeline all set up and the experience of the first movie behind them that WETA's post-production cycle should be much shorter this time, so perhaps they won't start shooting until later next year. There is no way Cameron has or will have a script within the next 4 months.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Hope it never sees the light of day. It's something like The Force, or why Klingons suddenly changes appearances in Star Trek. The real reason is 100% for production purposes, and trying to create an in-universe explanation is simply unnecessary.

It's nothing like The Force, because Avatar has established its universe as heavily steeped in science.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

If you apply the timeline from the first film to this one, then they will be shooting by January of 2012. Thats like, not far away at all. Although I'm guessing with the pipeline all set up and the experience of the first movie behind them that WETA's post-production cycle should be much shorter this time, so perhaps they won't start shooting until later next year. There is no way Cameron has or will have a script within the next 4 months.

And don't forget that they shot for a LONG time. Like 6 - 8 months. This time, they're shooting two films back to back.

I know A2 is signed for 2014, but a delay isn't out of the question. Don't forget that the render time will also be longer since they're shooting 48fps, if not more.

 

[StuBurns]

If you apply the timeline from the first film to this one, then they will be shooting by January of 2012. Thats like, not far away at all. Although I'm guessing with the pipeline all set up and the experience of the first movie behind them that WETA's post-production cycle should be much shorter this time, so perhaps they won't start shooting until later next year. There is no way Cameron has or will have a script within the next 4 months.

He wrote Rambo 2, Aliens and Terminator in nine months didn't he?

I think he could be ready.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

He wrote Rambo 2, Aliens and Terminator in nine months didn't he?

I think he could be ready.

He and William Wisher Jr. wrote T2 in 6 weeks.

 

[Solo]

I know A2 is signed for 2014, but a delay isn't out of the question. Don't forget that the render time will also be longer since they're shooting 48fps, if not more.

2014 AND 2015 seems completely unreasonable to me. I've been secretly hoping A2 would somehow get bumped UP to 2013 and A2 would hit its 2015 date, but if I'm being honest, its more likely that A2 hits its 2014 date and A3 just bumped to 2016. I just CAN'T see two films that immense getting finished within a year of eachother.

He wrote Rambo 2, Aliens and Terminator in nine months didn't he?

I think he could be ready.

Sure, but that Cameron is not this Cameron.

 

[T'Zariah]

It's nothing like The Force, because Avatar has established its universe as heavily steeped in science.

No it isn't. It's universe is FILLED with scientific implausibilities and the like. Cameron just does a good job of hiding it.

 

[MikeMyers]

He wrote Rambo 2, Aliens and Terminator in nine months didn't he?

I think he could be ready.

I thought Cameron only wrote part of a screenplay, then Stallone went and rewrote everything and did his own thing for Rambo 2?

 

[DrForester]

It's nothing like The Force, because Avatar has established its universe as heavily steeped in science.

Only using the force as an example of something that the audience accepted and further explanation was not needed or wanted.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

No it isn't. It's universe is FILLED with scientific implausibilities and the like. Cameron just does a good job of hiding it.

No shit. Its science-fiction. But it attempts to ground all of those impossibilities in an explained reality. Speculative fiction.

The Force was a mythical, magic idea until Lucas fucked that shit up in Ep 1.

 

[Jack Scofield]

This is the worst idea I've heard.

Avatar 1 brought us to an alien world, which Cameron completely mined by the end of the movie. Nothing else to see on Pandora, but seeing Earth in the future would give Cameron the chance of creating an entirely new, completely unfamiliar world.

And then you can have human Zoe Saldana and human Sam Worthington. Maybe explain Ewya as some galactic subconscious which is present across the universe, but humans lost contact with it hundreds of years ago or something. The Navi will help humans reconnect with this entity, thematically tying the two films together. It's actually a pretty brilliant idea.

As for the poster above who said that the Navi don't understand technology: this is true, but now they are led by a HUMAN who DOES understand technology. He can help them build spaceships so he can return home.

 

[StuBurns]

Sure, but that Cameron is not this Cameron.

I don't know about Avatar, but with Titanic he certainly wasn't all that precious with the script, often rewriting scenes the night before and between takes.

He's known for being a perfectionist, but I think it's very much as a director, not a writer.

I thought Cameron only wrote part of a screenplay, then Stallone went and rewrote everything and did his own thing for Rambo 2?

I don't know, I've never seen it actually. Maybe I should have put 'a script' for Rambo 2.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Only using the force as an example of something that the audience accepted and further explanation was not needed or wanted.

I don't need or require an explanation. I never even thought about it till Cameron mentioned the idea of exploring it. If its an interesting idea that could be a big part of the story, then I'm for it.

Like some other species seeding both Pandora and Earth with what would evolve into bipeds - only the environment of each planet changing their evolution patterns to as they are now.

 

[MikeMyers]

I don't know, I've never seen it actually. Maybe I should have put 'a script' for Rambo 2.

Rambo 2 came out about the same time as Rocky 4...and is just as over the top. Cameron made the better choice on directing Aliens.

 

[Solo]

I wonder if Cameron still wants/plans to explore Pandora's oceans. I sure hope so. Ol' Jimmy seems to have more ideas than places to put them, however, so I wouldn't be shocked if that never came to fruition.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Avatar 1 brought us to an alien world, which Cameron completely mined by the end of the movie. Nothing else to see on Pandora, but seeing Earth in the future would give Cameron the chance of creating an entirely new, completely unfamiliar world.

And then you can have human Zoe Saldana and human Sam Worthington. Maybe explain Ewya as some galactic subconscious which is present across the universe, but humans lost contact with it hundreds of years ago or something. The Navi will help humans reconnect with this entity, thematically tying the two films together. It's actually a pretty brilliant idea.

As for the poster above who said that the Navi don't understand technology: this is true, but now they are led by a HUMAN who DOES understand technology. He can help them build spaceships so he can return home.

Please, please stop.

How did Cameron completely mine Pandora's possibility by the end of the movie? We only saw about 25km worth of Pandora and apparently that's all there is to see?

I wonder if Cameron still wants/plans to explore Pandora's oceans. I sure hope so. Ol' Jimmy seems to have more ideas than places to put them, however, so I wouldn't be shocked if that never came to fruition.

He's already confirmed that A2 will take us to the oceans of Pandora, much in the same capacity A1 took us to the floating mountains.

I think I remember reading Landau talking about it being the reason they're working out how to make the capture process water-friendly.

 

[DrForester]

I don't need or require an explanation. I never even thought about it till Cameron mentioned the idea of exploring it. If its an interesting idea that could be a big part of the story, then I'm for it.

Like some other species seeding both Pandora and Earth with what would evolve into bipeds - only the environment of each planet changing their evolution patterns to as they are now.

Everything about that just points to really crappy story ideas. Like humans trying to de-evolve the Navi, or somehow use a bi-weapon to turn them into humans so they choke to death....

 

[Solo]

He's already confirmed that A2 will take us to the oceans of Pandora, much in the same capacity A1 took us to the floating mountains.

That's good enough for me!

Water-friendly mo-cap? Oh my, Cameron does think of everything.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Everything about that just points to really crappy story ideas. Like humans trying to de-evolve the Navi, or somehow use a bi-weapon to turn them into humans so they choke to death....

I don't know how you came up with that scenario from the proposed possibility of both the humans and Na'vi being seeded by some unseen race.