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Scullibundo said:
48fps won't cut it! He wants to shoot the sequels at 60fps!

Fucking knew it. :D
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I can't wait to see how this turns out. I've been having a blast with my new samsung TV. The true motion looks great with live/non-scripted television but it is a complete distraction when used with produced content that was not created with the high framerate in mind. It will be very interesting to see how higher framerate content will look when it was created with this technology in mind.
 
Tom_Cody said:
I can't wait to see how this turns out. I've been having a blast with my new samsung TV. The true motion looks great with live/non-scripted television but it is a complete distraction when used with produced content that was not created with the high framerate in mind. It will be very interesting to see how higher framerate content will look when it was created with this technology in mind.
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"True-Motion" isn't a faster framerate, it's just interpolation.
 
I've been doing some research and apparently there's nothing in the current digital cinema DCI standard that says anything about 48fps for 3D movies, even less anything about 60fps. Only 48fps for 2K 2D presentations is supported.

I really hope the software upgrade Cameron talks works. News of Christie developing projectors specifically for high framerate 3D movies is worrying. :P I guess we'll find out next year with The Hobbit.
 
StuBurns said:
I'm pretty sure it takes a lot to write a story that has the appeal of Avatar.
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Yeah, lets put an "oscar worthy" story with five thousand "twists" into a family oriented movie. So all the 7 year olds can follow they story without being confused.
That will show them!
 
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Very good news if he goes with 60fps.

We need to combine the genes of James Cameron and John Carmack to create the ultimate super being in entertainment, a messiah.
 
B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
Wish it were true so we could have got a couple of great Cameron films in the time it took him to make a single terrible one.
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He would not have made any drammatic movies in that time anyway. He wanted to do fun youthful stuff before he got too old to enjoy it. Now he has done that he says he wants to make movies until he dies.
 
Warm Machine said:
He would not have made any drammatic movies in that time anyway. He wanted to do fun youthful stuff before he got too old to enjoy it. Now he has done that he says he wants to make movies until he dies.
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I'm not asking for drammatic, I'd be fine with more stuff like True Lies.
 
RoboPlato said:
This is really good news for the home releases. Very few TVs out right now could properly handle a 48fps signal (many even struggle with 24fps) but 60fps will work on all of them. 60fps and 1080p will look glorious.
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and probably require another new disc format... unless they can stuff a bunch more information layers in the existing tech
 
Branduil said:
LOL
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Again, why are you laughing? I don't care if you call it Pocahontas in Space or whatever, or hated everything about it. But to do what Cameron has done now on two straight films, which is to make a movie that quite literally appeals to even single demographic out there, the second movie of which must have sounded absolutely batshit crazy/unmarketable on paper, takes an enormous amount of skill to pull off.

James Cameron: still the most consistently underrated person in Hollywood.
 
Solo said:
Again, why are you laughing? I don't care if you call it Pocahontas in Space or whatever, or hated everything about it. But to do what Cameron has done now on two straight films, which is to make a movie that quite literally appeals to even single demographic out there, the second movie of which must have sounded absolutely batshit crazy/unmarketable on paper, takes an enormous amount of skill to pull off.

James Cameron: still the most consistently underrated person in Hollywood.
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Oh boy, the "it sells so it must be great" argument. I didn't realize George Lucas was also one of the best scriptwriters in Hollywood, my bad.
 
Nappuccino said:
and probably require another new disc format... unless they can stuff a bunch more information layers in the existing tech
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Yeah, there's that caveat. It's going to be a lot of data for that. I have heard that there are much larger capacity blu-rays coming, so that'll be good. Hopefully those will be able to handle this amount of data.


thirty said:
btw, anyone know if and when the 3d version on the extended cut incoming to blu ray?
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Probably sometime next year after Panasonic's exclusivity deal runs out.
 
Branduil said:
Oh boy, the "it sells so it must be great" argument. I didn't realize George Lucas was also one of the best scriptwriters in Hollywood, my bad.
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Oh boy, the "its true for one guy so it must be true for the other guy" argument. I didn't realize James Cameron was also a bad director, terrible writer, coasting for over 25 years and continously editing his older films to make them worse, my bad.

Also, it sells because people are seeing it a lot. People are seeing it a lot because they like it. Pure shocker, I know.
 
Solo said:
Again, why are you laughing? I don't care if you call it Pocahontas in Space or whatever, or hated everything about it. But to do what Cameron has done now on two straight films, which is to make a movie that quite literally appeals to even single demographic out there, the second movie of which must have sounded absolutely batshit crazy/unmarketable on paper, takes an enormous amount of skill to pull off.

James Cameron: still the most consistently underrated person in Hollywood.
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While I still like the film, I know very few people that still have positive things to say about it other than praising the CGI. While the movie ticks the targets of universal demographic appeal, I don't think it has managed to maintain it.
 
Solo said:
Oh boy, the "its true for one guy so it must be true for the other guy" argument. I didn't realize James Cameron was also a bad director, terrible writer, coasting for over 25 years and continously editing his older films to make them worse, my bad.
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Well, it's true in general that good writing does not directly correlate to making money.

Cameron is a gifted director, producer, and salesman. But the script in Avatar was trite, one-dimensional garbage.
 
Not only is it the highest grossing movie ever, its also the best selling Bluray ever. I guess people hated it so much that they had to buy it and watch it again just to fully comprehend their hatred for it.
 
Solo said:
Not only is it the highest grossing movie ever, its also the best selling Bluray ever. I guess people hated it so much that they had to buy it and watch it again just to fully comprehend their hatred for it.
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Popularity is not a marker for quality. Avatar isn't the first popular movie with bad writing and it won't be the last.

I don't think it will age well once the digital sheen wears off.
 
Branduil said:
Well, it's true in general that good writing does not directly correlate to making money.
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No disagreement there.

Cameron is a gifted director, producer, and salesman. But the script in Avatar was trite, one-dimensional garbage.
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I'm not going to make any proclaimations that he is a great writer by any stretch. He tends to use familiar (in this particular case, a little too familiar) tropes, and the occasional cheesey or preachy line, and his characters never have anything going on beneath the surface, but for the most part, I don't have any major issues with his writing. He takes simple themes and writes about them in a simplistic manner.

His superb talents behind the camera and in R&D offset his average writing for me. There are tons of average or poor writers out there, but 99.9% of them don't have the rest of Cameron's considerable skillset.
 
Solo said:
His superb talents behind the camera and in R&D offset his average writing for me. There are tons of average or poor writers out there, but 99.9% of them don't have the rest of Cameron's considerable skillset.
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Well, that's a personal preference. For me, you can be the most gifted director in the world, but if your script is full of characters I can't care about, and so ham-fisted it makes Fern Gully look subtle, I'm not going to like it.
 
Fair enough. I can see how one could be turned off by it. I definitely disagree though about there being no characters to care about.
 
Solo said:
Fair enough. I can see how one could be turned off by it. I definitely disagree though about there being no characters to care about.
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Well it doesn't help that I think Sam Worthington is an atrocious actor with no range.
 
Solo said:
I actually wasn't referring to him or his character, but rather the female lead.
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I don't like her faux accent. And her character is just another Pocahontas-type. Nothing wrong with that per se, but I don't think the story actually does anything interesting or unique with her that makes her stand out among that archetype.
 
Salvor.Hardin said:
While I still like the film, I know very few people that still have positive things to say about it other than praising the CGI. While the movie ticks the targets of universal demographic appeal, I don't think it has managed to maintain it.
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Exact same shit that happened with Titanic unsurprisingly. Doesn't matter, never will matter, and certainly wont matter when the entire planet will line up for Avatar 2 in 2014 in a way that no other movie has done in the past 5 years.

There are three kinds of mainstream movies at this point in history. Movies general audiences love to watch. Movies audiences don't like to watch. And James Cameron movies, aka movies that the entire planet earth loves to watch. Thats pretty much the bottom line.

There will always be Nolans, Favreaus, Verbinskis, Bays, what have you, but none of them can deliver the success and quality that Cameron delivers behind the camera, nor can they repeat his success with audiences.
 
Solo said:
James Cameron: still the most consistently underrated person in Hollywood.
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Actually, outside of the internet, I have never met a person who disliked James Cameron. Aliens is one of my favourite movies, so throw me into the pro-Cameron camp.

Now if we are going to talk about film-makers who are totally underrated, can we converse about John Carpenter please?
 
Hey man, you know I'm a Carpenter buff. But the man's time has long past, sadly. I will forever cherish his 70's, 80's and early 90's output though, and he gave me my favorite horror film of all-time and one of my favorite sci-fi films of all time.
 
Solo said:
But the man's time has long past, sadly.
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True, all those beer 'n cigs must have gotten to his talent. A shame.

I get to meet him on Saturday though, and see The Thing/In the Mouth of Madness/Prince of Darkness on the big screen!
 
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