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Yeah, I don't it's quite as challenging as The Abyss. In fact, I think between The Abyss and Titanic, Cameron will never have a shoot as fucking brutal again. He has two of the hardest shoots in history by himself. He must love that everybody kisses his ass these days and doesn't fight him on sets.
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I wasn't saying it was going to be as brutal a shoot as the Abyss, just that filming underwater performances is challenging - and I imagine underwater performance capture will be even more so. I'm really interested to see the tech they have to develop to pull it off; you know the behind the scenes stuff will be crazy. They did what?!
 
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00049780.html

Speaking to MTV while promoting the 3D re-release of "Titanic", Cameron said that before moving forward with "Battle Angel", he wants to focus on the "Avatar" franchise first. Explaining the reason why, the National Geographic explorer and filmmaker admitted that he makes "Avatar" films his top priorities because of the good they can do for the world.

"I see the good the 'Avatar' franchise can do in terms of keeping a world audience cognizant of our relationship with nature, but doing it in an entertainment context," stated the 57-year-old acclaimed filmmaker. "Ultimately I think there's more good to be done there than with 'Battle Angel'. 'Battle Angel' is just a great, kick a** story."

By deciding to delay the making of "Battle Angel", it means that the manga adaptation will not open in the U.S. theaters until at least 2016, when Cameron might have finished "Avatar 2" and "Avatar 3". However, the Canadian director insisted that he doesn't want to pass the long-gestating project to any other filmmaker. He said, "It would have to be pried out of my cold dead fingers. But on the other hand, I don't want to take it to my grave either. [We want to see it] at some point, yeah."
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Also, it seems Laeta Kalogridis (the writer who came in to help with the final pass at the Avatar script and also worked on Shutter Island) has worked on the Battle Angel script as well. Cameron should rather bring in William Wisher Jr.
 
If Avatar 3 is going to be be shot with Avatar 2, I imagine there won't be much time in between releases. Unless, of course, they delay the release of Avatar 3 just to spend a considerable amount of time on post-production to take advantage of advancements in cgi after the release of Avatar 2.

I could imagine Battle Angel being produced between Avatar 2 and Avatar 3.
 
Cameron might be looking to work out some deals in China for the sequels?

Reading that article really hammers home just how fucking huge the worldwide take is going to be in the opening week when the sequels hit. China has quickly turned into a fucking massive film market as well as other places like Russia. Then you have to remember that upon Avatar's release, the amount of available 3D screens were absolutely tiny compared to what is available now all around the world.

Cameron talks quickly about when he was doing through the biomedical and centrifugal tests in 2000 in preparation to go with the Russians to the Meir space station. Apparently it was the Columbia disaster that made the mission fall through. He still thinks there's a chance that he might go into space, but I doubt it very much.
 
Oh for fuck sake, Cameron. Just give us Battle Angel already you motherfucker.

What about scripts that you’re looking at? Is there a project that you’re working on right now? Or subject matters or general areas of interest that you’re looking at?

A.
That’s interesting. I’ve divided my time over the last 16 years over deep ocean exploration and filmmaking. I’ve made two movies in 16 years, and I’ve done eight expeditions. Last year I basically completely disbanded my production company’s development arm. So I’m not interested in developing anything. I’m in the “Avatar” business. Period. That’s it. I’m making “Avatar 2,” “Avatar 3,” maybe “Avatar 4,” and I’m not going to produce other people’s movies for them. I’m not interested in taking scripts. And that all sounds I suppose a little bit restricted, but the point is I think within the “Avatar” landscape I can say everything I need to say that I think needs to be said, in terms of the state of the world and what I think we need to be doing about it. And doing it in an entertaining way. And anything I can’t say in that area, I want to say through documentaries, which I’m continuing. I’ve done five documentaries in the last 10 years, and I’ll hopefully do a lot more. In fact, I’m doing one right now, which is on this, the Deep Sea Challenge project that we just completed the first expedition. So that’ll be a film that’ll get made this year and come out first quarter of next year.
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How far are you along in working on the “Avatar” sequels?

A.
We’ve spent the last year and a half on software development and pipeline development. The virtual production methodology was extremely prototypical on the first film. As then, no one had ever done it before and we didn’t even know for two and half years into it and $100 million into it if it was going to work. So we just wanted to make our lives a whole lot easier so that we can spend a little more of our brainpower on creativity. It was a very, very uphill battle on the first film. So we’ve been mostly working on the tool set, the production pipeline, setting up the new stages in Los Angeles, setting up the new visual effects pipeline in New Zealand, that sort of thing. And, by the way, writing. We haven’t gotten to the design stage yet. That’ll be the next.
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And by the sounds of this, it doesn't seem like Cameron will ever shoot for an R rating ever again:

You must have had people talk to you to give you a briefing on the censorship process, about how it works or how it’s affected certain films here. Do you have any general thoughts on that?

A.
As an artist, I’m always against censorship. But censorship’s a reality, even in the U.S. We have a form of it there. We used to have the Hays commission. We now have the M.P.A.A. ratings system, which is basically a self-censorship process that prevents government from doing it. But the economic imperatives are that if you get an R rating, the studio won’t make a film that looks like it’s headed toward an R rating, and if you get a R you’ve got to cut it yourself to comply with PG-13. So it’s really just a form of censorship indirectly.”

Q.
Do you consider that the same as Chinese censorship?

A.
You’ve got a little more choice in it. It’s not as draconian. But I can’t be judgmental about another culture’s process. I don’t think that’s healthy.

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Did you talk to other filmmakers – your peers – about Chinese censorship?

A.
No. I’m not interested in their reality. My reality is that I’ve made two films in the last 15 years that both have been resounding successes here, and this is an important market for me. And so I’m going to do what’s necessary to continue having this be an important market for my films. And I’m going to play by the rules that are internal to this market. Because you have to. You know, I can stomp my feet and hold my breath but I’m not going to change people’s minds that way. Now I do feel that everything is trending in the right direction right now, as I mentioned earlier.
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Man's gone soft. :(

I'll peg Avatar 2 for 2017 now as well.
 
Awesome so he's going to spend the rest of his life making Avatar movies, and preachy ones at that. His "messages" have all the subtlety of a rhino in an outhouse (whatever that means). I was hoping he had a Battle Angel left in him. Guess I can write him off for the future. Repent JC! Repent!

edit: His documentaries may have a chance of being interesting provided he doesn't go overboard with messages
 
The other thing is - even if you are going to do a fourth film, don't fucking tell us. I'm pretty sure the main characters are going to be alive at the end of A3 now. But seriously, this is really shitty.

If I was a billionaire I would launch a program to dump 8 million tonnes of waste into some protected barrier reef for every Avatar sequel he made.
 
I enjoyed Avatar, really enjoyed the Extended version, but it's disappointing to hear Cameron's just gonna be an Avatar factory for the foreseeable future.
 
Scullibundo said:
The other thing is - even if you are going to do a fourth film, don't fucking tell us. I'm pretty sure the main characters are going to be alive at the end of A3 now. But seriously, this is really shitty.

If I was a billionaire I would launch a program to dump 8 million tonnes of waste into some protected barrier reef for every Avatar sequel he made.
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Do you watch movies solely for plot twists?
 
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Do you watch movies solely for plot twists?
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Twists? It's nice to watch a movie where you can actually fear for characters you care about and that their peril means something. The dire stakes set up in film become somewhat robbed of their impact if you know the characters are going to be in the sequel.
 
But that usually leads to people like Joss Whedon who kill major characters just to prove a point. It can work once but it's not an interesting thing to do.
 
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But that usually leads to people like Joss Whedon who kill major characters just to prove a point. It can work once but it's not an interesting thing to do.
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Joss Whedon can't write deaths for shit. Cameron was killing his leads long before Whedon was killing his underdeveloped side characters. LOL Serenity. Cameron's deaths always felt like a big blow, rather than some clumsy, cheap stab at audience sympathy. Not at all the same thing.
 
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55552

Hey folks, Harry here... when the news of that James Cameron interview hit, where it seemed he had decided that he'd only ever make AVATAR movies for the rest of his life... I felt my soul drop a bit. I love AVATAR - and I am wholly intrigued by Cameron's assertion that he can tell all the stories he wants to tell through the metaphoric worlds he can explore in that cinematic universe... It reminds me of how John Ford used the Western or Alfred Hitchcock used the Suspense genre. Or George Lucas with STAR WARS. But... Goddammit, more than any AVATAR film, I'm dying to see Cameron tackle BATTLE ANGEL ALITA. I've been tracking that project with Jim for as long as that original treatment for AVATAR has been around. SO... I had to write Cameron to see if I should still cling to the hope that there will be a BATTLE ANGEL ALITA or if he was going to give up on it - and there would be a hope that another filmmaker might take it over. Here's what Cameron had to say...

"No. I still love that project. But Battle Angel is not going to happen for a few years." - Jim Cameron


Thank Christ! Alright folks, I can enjoy all the wonders of Pandora with the fanboy calm of knowing the the beautiful carnage of BATTLE ANGEL ALITA is in the distant future as a possibility. It will rip the spine clean from everything else. At least, that's what I imagine. So - GOOD NEWS!
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http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=91891

Back in May, James Cameron was first quoted as saying that there might be four "Avatar" movies in total. With the first one having earned a record $2.782 billion at theaters worldwide, star Sigourney Weaver is now saying the next three will be filmed at the same time. Here are several quotes from an interview with Showbiz 411:

When “Political Animals” finishes shooting, see if you can follow Weaver’s schedule: she goes right into a new Christopher Durang play for a short run at Lincoln Center. Then she films “Avatar” 2, 3, and 4 with James Cameron. That’s right: they’re making three sequels to the blue 3D phenom all at the same time. Weaver says she has no idea how long it will take, or how it’s going to work. “I just show up,” she said.

In the previous interview, Cameron said that they had "spent the last year and a half on software development and pipeline development. The virtual production methodology was extremely prototypical on the first film. As then, no one had ever done it before and we didn't even know for two and half years into it and $100 million into it if it was going to work. So we just wanted to make our lives a whole lot easier so that we can spend a little more of our brainpower on creativity. It was a very, very uphill battle on the first film. So we've been mostly working on the tool set, the production pipeline, setting up the new stages in Los Angeles, setting up the new visual effects pipeline in New Zealand, that sort of thing. And, by the way, writing. We haven't gotten to the design stage yet. That'll be the next."
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What a shame. I can't decide whether he's an incredibly lazy film maker who has the luxury of staying in his comfort zone, or whether he's too passionate about certain topics.
 
Salvor.Hardin said:
What a shame. I can't decide whether he's an incredibly lazy film maker who has the luxury of staying in his comfort zone, or whether he's too passionate about certain topics.
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Obviously the latter. The man has never been anything even approximating "lazy", whatever ones thoughts are on him.
 
Neytiri better de-Avatar, or whatever it's called, into a human body in one of these sequels. Jake is now the teacher and she's the human. Hilarity ensues.
 
Impossible. Everybody knows the Avatar films are like dreaming with your eyes open, but also that you don't dream in cryo. Cameron will freeze himself until tech can catch up to shooting the film on location.
 
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