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Draconian said:
I'm putting this list of blu-rays to pick up soon. Is the extended version (and whatever the third version is called) worth it though? I will say I think Cameron's cut of Aliens is better than the theatrical cut.
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Extended version is definitely better. Backstory and conflict is much better fleshed out, new action bits are nice. Plus the Hour or so of additional deleted scenes are worth it alone.
 
crazy monkey said:
or may be lack or idea. blue things were basially humans tall and with tail Got to admit though it was better than prometheus engineer. That was the worse designed alien.
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The movie had a 250+ million budget and access to dozens of artists. Of course it was intentional. Cameron didn't want the Navi to be too alien. He wanted Neytiri to still be considered "hot" and modeled their society after Indian/African tribes so the Navi could connect with the audience. There's a method to the madness people.
 
Draconian said:
I'm putting this list of blu-rays to pick up soon. Is the extended version (and whatever the third version is called) worth it though? I will say I think Cameron's cut of Aliens is better than the theatrical cut.
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Extended Cut is indeed better. Adds some much needed backstory.
 
Draconian said:
I'm putting this list of blu-rays to pick up soon. Is the extended version (and whatever the third version is called) worth it though? I will say I think Cameron's cut of Aliens is better than the theatrical cut.
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Extended cut is much better. DAT TSU TEY.

Also Grace's scene with Jake was a pretty big cut.
 
I like the medium length cut the most. I don't care for the Earth intro. The scene about the dead sister was good though, it breaks up the learning montage. It's like T2, no one cut is really as I'd prefer.
 
The added scenes made very little impact on the movie for me. The Tsu'tey death scene on its own is pretty great but it does break up the pace a bit.

edit: yeah the Earth intro is no good. It looks very cheap too and small compared to the rest of the movie. Frankly, it doesn't belong.
 
For me it's the scene extensions that make the extended cut superior.

Stuff like Neytiri's flyby greeting of the others making their way to the banshees in the mountains and this extension that actually shows you the pilots of the Valkyrie shutting decoupling.

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Arrested development reference, was just watching it lol ^
jett said:
The added scenes made very little impact on the movie for me. The Tsu'tey death scene on its own is pretty great but it does break up the pace a bit.

edit: yeah the Earth intro is no good. It looks very cheap too and small compared to the rest of the movie. Frankly, it doesn't belong.
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Its too bad it wasn't an entire segment of film like in the original script. More like 10 minutes or so. And kept stuff like the terrorist attack on the subway and whatnot.

As far as it feeling cheap...frankly its simply not 100% finished, its pretty obvious.
 
Yeah the guys who did the effects on the Earth intro did a really shitty job. You could tell that whole opening intersection bit was just a big soundstage.
 
Scullibundo said:
Yeah the guys who did the effects on the Earth intro did a really shitty job. You could tell that whole opening intersection bit was just a big soundstage.
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Seems more like it was cut from the film before it was finished, and it wasn't 100% finished for the blu-ray.

If it had been in the theatrical release, there would have been more work done and would have had to gone by the dude in charge of the CG continuity (don't remember his name but hes worked with JC for a long time)

Theres also that HUGE concept art of the city in the Making of Book. I wouldn't be surprised if that was originally a shot that took place after the camera lifts up and overlooks the street, to give a better sence of scale, but who knows.
 
Scullibundo said:
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Both Aliens and The Abyss are absolutely fantastic scripts. So again, you don't know what you're talking about.
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Cameron is a good writer. He's had a few clunky lines, particularly in his later films, but they are very solid scripts. And beyond the dialogue, they're consistently well constructed scripts with strong leads, supporting characters and always with superb world building. I know you know this, but while those are probably his strongest scripts, his later work is solid.

Cameron's writing is a big part of why his movies are so good.
Scullibundo said:
Yeah, Cameron has always been a master when it comes to structuring and pacing a film. Dude also knows how to set up payoffs like nobody's business.
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Yup. Sometimes the setups are weak (parts of Titanic), but holy crap does he make up for it.
 
Yeah, Cameron has always been a master when it comes to structuring and pacing a film. Dude also knows how to set up payoffs like nobody's business.
 
Came across this site The Auteurcast where they choose a filmmaker, watch one of his or her films every week in order of release and then discuss it for around an hour or so.

Obviously, they're doing James Cameron right now. Just finished The Abyss podcast discussion and they just released T2.
 
http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20120902/ENT/309020015/Landau-talks-Titanic-3-D-new-Avatar-

Recently, “Avatar” star Sigourney Weaver told reporters that Cameron was shooting three “Avatar” sequels simultaneously.

Landau says that’s only partially true. “We doing two back-to-back, but not a third,” he notes.
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Once again, internet dickheads will take the smallest grain of salt and turn it into a big boulder of bullshit that gets bigger as it rolls through every crappy movie site that has no idea of the concept of context or journalism.
 
Well, humans are confirmed to be returning.

Cameron also talking about perhaps doing the Avatar sequels as a Chinese co-production for the incredible revenue incentives that could come out of the region. He wants DAT Chinese box office.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-cameron-avatar-2-3-4-sequels-371470

But Cameron acknowledges that there are reasons to do some of the work on the films in China, saying, “Within five years, China could easily be as big a gross-revenue market for film as North America, and there are very specific economic incentives for having both Chinese content and Chinese co-production. We are already funded on Avatar 2 and 3, but if we qualify as a co-production, there might be some incentives in the percentage of revenue we can take out of China.

"We are running the numbers to see if that makes sense.” At very least, the director could recruit Chinese actors to work in the movies, which will be distributed worldwide by Fox (though Cameron has not set release dates yet). “For Avatar, we can certainly
use Chinese actors as performancecapture actors because any accent issues will hide within the Na’vi accent,” says Cameron.

“So we can have Chinese Na’vi; [and in the live-action sequences]we can also have Chinese actors who speak English in the film.

We are projecting a future in Avatar, and if you project that future out, it is logical that there would be a number of Chinese amongst the contingent on Pandora.”
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So there is another contingent of humans going to Pandora.
 
Scullibundo said:
Came across this site The Auteurcast where they choose a filmmaker, watch one of his or her films every week in order of release and then discuss it for around an hour or so.

Obviously, they're doing James Cameron right now. Just finished The Abyss podcast discussion and they just released T2.
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Ohhh man. Delicious.
 
Scullibundo said:
After a couple of reviews I really started to get pissed off with one of the regular dudes. He's completely obnoxious and generally has shitty taste and the main host never calls him on his shit and instead just agrees.
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Aww.
Well I'm still gonna give the series a listen.
 
DieH@rd said:
No, sudden wish for his movie to get screened in China.
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Which is bizarre.
Avatar already set Chinese box office records.
And unless the films have no political messages, there's a good chance that they'll be banned or curtailed anyway.
 
Rentahamster said:
Interesting to see what comes of that. One of the things I admired about Firefly's universe was how Whedon projected out a future that realizes a large portion of the human population is of Chinese descent.
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Except, you know, pretty much anyone at all in the show. ;)

Kind of actually seems like the chinese got wiped out and their culture absorbed into America's, really.
 
This thread bump made me realize that I haven't seen Avatar since I watched it in theaters.

I should change that when I make some time.
 
Scullibundo said:
I have a bad feeling about just how heavy the green message is going to be in the sequel/s.
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I'm sure it will be handled with dat Cameron subtlety.

NEYTIRI
My people have always lived in HARMONY with the meat of Pandora!

JAKE SULLY
Neytiri, I LOVE you, but this is MURDER!

NEYTIRI
We thank them for their SACRIFICE!

JAKE SULLY
Just like QUARITCH thanked the HOMETREE for its SACRIFICE?!

NEYTIRI
Oh my hometree! You're right! Jake Sully is right, everyone!
 
So I took some time out to watch Avatar 3D last night again. I haven't done so in a while. And even to this day... it blows me away! The attack on home tree is quite possibly the most beautiful action sequence I've ever seen.

Especially the aftermath... and when Jake gets back into Avatar form. The ashes and atmosphere combined with the 3D... beyond words.
 
Alex Boultwood ‏@Direlogue
@skymovies spoke to James Cameron at the Hobbit world premiere, who confirmed #avatar 2 will shoot in 48fps and in New Zealand
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I have a feeling Cameron probably just confirmed shooting at HFR and will stick with his plan to shoot the sequels at 60fps.
 
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