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Where's Talia in the run-down in the OP?
So far I think I've watched 4 episodes, but I don't have their names in my head or anything. Want to watch together Jeff?
Where's Talia in the run-down in the OP?
I kinda feel season 1 lends itself very well to rewatching. It's so much better when you can see all the seeds that are being planted that come back in later episodes.Season 1 is kind of crummy, but the payoff for sticking is superb. No TV series has weaved a story like B5 did. So many plot threads, all thought out and interlocking, intersecting and clashing at points.
A Call to Arms is a fun action adventure movie. And if I may dare you, try just watching the 5 grey uniform episodes of Crusade (starting with Racing the Night) on their own. They represent what JMS wanted to do with the show before TNT decided to fuck it all up.Sounds good. Of those three, I'm probably the least interested in the ones with Galen, but that's largely because Crusade didn't get very far. If there's ever a Babylon 5 remake project, I think we can all agree it'd be nice to have fewer spinoff prospect plot threads dangling in Season 5, but the Crusade one hurts the most. The other fare getting consigned to books hits me less, especially since the main arc of the show is resolved beautifully in the show itself. Crusade just...
...fair warning, I don't know if I'll be able to watch A Call to Arms this time around, haha. I'll try, it's just, I remember it being decent! Really decent! And then unresolved! >_>
Season 5 is basically all the B-plots that couldn't fit into S4 because the intended S4 and S5 arcs had to be compressed into a single season.
Sigh, this misconception won't ever die, will it. Anyway, only a small part of season 5 was moved into season 4. S4 was basically going to end with Intersections in Real Time (but the plot that they were planning on having run through S4 and S5 was condensed into just S4. At the last minute, though, they were told that they'd have a S5 after all (I believe another network picked them up), so the S4 finale got moved to the end of S5, a new S4 finale was written and filmed (it's a divisive episode, but I rather like it), and they had to come up with a whole new plot to fill all of S5 with.
They actually filmed Midnight third to give the crew some time get settled and be at their best before shooting. The first regular episode produced was the... less than great Infection.Now here's an episode that is better than Season 1's general reputation in almost every way, and it's a stunning pilot-era reminder that there's plenty of solid content even in the beginning.
I loved how hard they tried to sell G'Kar as a villain in the first season and a half. It's easy to say that "this guy is obviously going to be a major antagonist", but he's so much more than that.Now here's an episode that is better than Season 1's general reputation in almost every way, and it's a stunning pilot-era reminder that there's plenty of solid content even in the beginning. An important Centauri agricultural colony -- with centuries-past ties to the Narn -- is attacked without provocation. G'Kar is pleased to learn of his government's alleged responsibility, whilst Londo comes close to killing him for it. Sinclair is left in the crossfire.
Londo is a washup who got assigned to a backwater of little importance. G'Kar is there because of his political connections; not necessarily because of his abilities. The closest thing to a proper politician among the main characters is Delenn. In any case, the first season of Babylon 5 is all about fleshing out the characters, and vices and failings are very much part of who they are. You're not supposed to know who they are just based on their roles.Thinking back,, I think the most recent episode I watched was the one introducing Walter Koenig, which I liked.
Prior to that, there were a couple of episodes with poor writing, on a James Bond sort of level.
Londo has an affair with a hot stripper, and is fully ready to believe she loves him. He is allegedly a good politician, but he falls for this. And then the writers try to make her actually in love with him, just like all the female Russian spies in James Bond books. Sure.
Then there's one with G'Kar. He gets a warning that an assassin is around. So he suspects the next person he sees, disregarding all other options. Another allegedly good politician.
I'm not having much respect for these characters. I liked the setup for PsiCorps and various info with Talia. But the politics...not good so far lol.
I don't know where you're getting this "good politician" thing. Londo is a joke. A drunken has-been, from a race of has-beens. All they have left is decadence and revelling in past glories. He's not exactly a smooth operator at this point, and his self-loathing over this will soon become rather important. Also, the difference between Londo and James Bond is that Bond's affairs will generally not have ramifications down the line. This was not a throw-away affair.Prior to that, there were a couple of episodes with poor writing, on a James Bond sort of level.
Londo has an affair with a hot stripper, and is fully ready to believe she loves him. He is allegedly a good politician, but he falls for this. And then the writers try to make her actually in love with him, just like all the female Russian spies in James Bond books. Sure.
G'Kar is a former guerilla freedom fighter who grew up under brutal Centauri occupation. He is not some sort of seasoned diplomat. He's fighter, from an aggressive and immature race that just recently escaped bondage and is looking to make a name for itself.Then there's one with G'Kar. He gets a warning that an assassin is around. So he suspects the next person he sees, disregarding all other options. Another allegedly good politician.
Are you arguing with my first impressions by offering spoilers from later seasons? If so, the OP may have to find another noob to watch with, because I don't want random open spoilers.I don't know where you're getting this "good politician" thing. Londo is a joke. A drunken has-been, from a race of has-beens. All they have left is decadence and revelling in past glories. He's not exactly a smooth operator at this point, and his self-loathing over this will soon become rather important. Also, the difference between Londo and James Bond is that Bond's affairs will generally not have ramifications down the line. This was not a throw-away affair.
G'Kar is a former guerilla freedom fighter who grew up under brutal Centauri occupation. He is not some sort of seasoned diplomat. He's fighter, from an aggressive and immature race that just recently escaped bondage and is looking to make a name for itself.
...I guess you mist the first episode, Midnight on the Firing Line, which JeffZero just recapped. It sets this up pretty well.
One of my favourite shows. It's worth to suffer through the rough episodes, because the payoff is the best sci-fi in television.
For all of it's quirks, Babylon 5 is one of my favorite TV shows ever. It's still more ambitious than just about any other English-language TV show has ever been and it was great for setting the tone for how to make one that is a long-running serial.
I loved how hard they tried to sell G'Kar as a villain in the first season and a half. It's easy to say that "this guy is obviously going to be a major antagonist", but he's so much more than that.
Babylon 5 is a goddamn masterpiece. Its biggest strength is that it was almost entirely written by its showrunner who had already built a plan of the major plot lines from day one, so it has a consistency that most other TV shows don't have because they are realized on a season to season basis by the writing staff.
Sounds good. Of those three, I'm probably the least interested in the ones with Galen, but that's largely because Crusade didn't get very far. If there's ever a Babylon 5 remake project, I think we can all agree it'd be nice to have fewer spinoff prospect plot threads dangling in Season 5, but the Crusade one hurts the most. The other fare getting consigned to books hits me less, especially since the main arc of the show is resolved beautifully in the show itself. Crusade just...
There were no spoilers in what I posted, just a few vague hints that won't matter until you watch the episodes they were alluding to. I guess I may have given a bit more character background than what was explicitly stated in the show so far, but nothing that spoils any future reveals or anything like that. Most of it should be something you can infer from these early episodes - Londo usually found in the casino, drinking and gambling instead of working. G'Kar being an opportunistic asshole usually motivated by blind hatred for the Centauri.Are you arguing with my first impressions by offering spoilers from later seasons? If so, the OP may have to find another noob to watch with, because I don't want random open spoilers.
I mentioned Midnight because it sets up the basic Narn - Centauri relationship. Centauri are a faded former colonial power, Narns are their former slaves now out for revenge. It's pretty central to both Londo and G'Kar's characters.And I got the character indicators from how the characters view themselves. If they turn out to be self deluded at the end of their arcs, so be it.
I watched the first episode, I just don't see all of the stuff you detailed.
Damn, now I really want to rewatch B5... and it's not on netflix.
It was streaming for free here but the site is not working right now for some reason. US only though but i tested it with vpn and proxy and it worked fine.
Yes it's legal and official.
http://www.blastr.com/2017-4-13/babylon-5-finally-available-online-streaming
That's the magic of a series that's actually planned out.I know folks will talk about how rough season one is, but hear me out. After you have watch all five seasons of Babylon 5, go back and re-watch just season one. Because at that point you will see all the ground work being laid before you eyes. Stuff you ignored or thought wasn't important will be seen a whole new light and you'll be amazed just how much planning went into this series.
I know folks will talk about how rough season one is, but hear me out. After you have watch all five seasons of Babylon 5, go back and re-watch just season one. Because at that point you will see all the ground work being laid before you eyes. Stuff you ignored or thought wasn't important will be seen a whole new light and you'll be amazed just how much planning went into this series.
Who are you?
If you ever need a one sentence way to explain the difference between Deep Space Nine and B5 then here it is. "On Deep Space Nine all of the best episodes are standalone, while all of the worst episodes are on B5."
What do you want?
Not that complicated... JMS originally pitched B5 to Paramount in 1989. Things got quite far, and he wrote the first version of the pilot script (which featured an actual shapeshifting alien, rather than a Minbari with changeling net) for them. He even started talking about it online, saying that the financing was almost locked, and it should air the fall of 1990. Then out of nowhere Paramount drops the project, telling him its too similar to another series they have in development. Now a number of things got changed and refined as B5 went into production with Warner Bros., but Paramount definitively had full access to the early B5 materials while they were cooking up Deep Space 9.There's actually a whole story behind how Paramount may very well have lifted ideas from JMS' old B5 pitch and made DS9 with them, although it's more complicated than that and I'm mobile right now!
The amount of material the show covers is just nuts. Just look at all of the wars that take place in the show itself (without counting the specials):Agreed, it's still mind-boggling how ambitious
the show is/was.
I think that it was a bit of serendipity that the show never managed to get a permanent partner for G'Kar like they did with the other ambassadors. It helped to isolate his character and that was appropriate for the later seasons.There are a couple of duds here. Sinclair and Londo have a brief scene with an alien fellow in a business suit and a strong accent who calls them "dumbo" and "porky", respectively, in one of a laundry list of JMS-esque humor beats that don't really work for me. Conversely, Ko'Dath's introduction isn't very good, but this quickly becomes irrelevant since -- fun fact -- the actress is unable to reprise her role, sending the character to her death very, very soon.
Aaaaand I've got an "Infection" to treat. Oh boy, I remember this episode being something. Whether I post my thoughts tonight or tomorrow, wish me luck!
It feels like a clear set-up for the final scene inThe final scene misses the mark, however. Sinclair finally gets the interview the guest reporter wanted, and he talks about why we've got to stay in space. It's got good intentions, but it feels cheesy, like a post-credits afterschool special sequence.
As I recall putting the concept of "organic technology" on the table was one of the reasons for the episode, so it managed that at least.There's worse B5 than "Infection" but I'm hard-pressed to come up with any which are more pointless.
It feels like a clear set-up for the final scene inthough.Deconstruction of Falling Stars
Getting closer to the good stuff of S1!
The interview in the episode always reminded me of a grade school class asking questions to an astronaut.
I never finished B5 back in the day. Made it midway through the fourth season and then stopped for some reason. I keep meaning to go back to it.