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Rumble Roses developer comments on X360 and PS3
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Guy LeDouche
Banned
PS3 also has 99% backwards compatibility. That might not mean alot years down the road, but it makes a hell of a difference at launch. BC on PS2 was always a top bulletpoint in marketing, and it wouldn't have been there if they knew it wouldn't make a difference (marketing research and whatnot, most likely). Being able to trade in the PS2 (most stores even offer generous "pre next-gen" trade in deals to get reservations) helps alot. Unless you only have Halo1/2, I'd be wary of trading in my Xbox to help off-set the price of the X360. Even then your save files will be stuck on the Xbox hard drive. Well, at first MS said you could transfer, then not. After that, I haven't heard anything further, maybe you can transfer files. That would help precieved value.trmas said:
Percieved value is super important, especially at launch when prices are their highest. For example, for $400, you get a X360 + HDD + wireless controller + "limited" BC + DVD player + cables, Live sampler, etc. Or, for $400 (just a guess, I don't think it will be $300, nor $500, so just a balance), you get a PS3 + PS2 + PS1 + wireless controller + DVD player + Blu-Ray player (not important in 2005 or even 2006, but will be come 2007+ when HDTVs are cheap and everywhere) + cables, etc.
No, it will not languish on shelves. Hardcore fans will buy anything at any price - the 3DO and Neo Geo were proof enough of that. However, sales are relative. It may sell 10-15 million units the first year at those prices. Possibly twenty with luck, because the market has grown. However, to reach MASS market like the PS2 and PSX did, the prices must come down.
Look at the sales history and you will see what I mean. To reach the $100 million numbers MS are quoting, and Sony has already achieved, the price will have to come down. This usually happens after about two years, when sales stall and software matures.
I'm not saying the 360 is doomed. But it's lead will be much less than MS fans would believe. The numbers may well split 45/40 in America, 50/35 in Europe, and 75/10 in Japan this time around. It will be closer than before. Except in Japan where it will be soundly trounced.
Look at the sales history and you will see what I mean. To reach the $100 million numbers MS are quoting, and Sony has already achieved, the price will have to come down. This usually happens after about two years, when sales stall and software matures.
I'm not saying the 360 is doomed. But it's lead will be much less than MS fans would believe. The numbers may well split 45/40 in America, 50/35 in Europe, and 75/10 in Japan this time around. It will be closer than before. Except in Japan where it will be soundly trounced.
lets hope both microsoft and sony do there best to destroy each other. Competition is only a good thing for the consumer.
I would hate to think what would happen if sony had a monopoly on the console market, i already know microsoft tactics when it comes to having a monopoly. Those cheeky fuckers at microsoft love charging top wack and screwing there customers for shitty products.
It also gets on my tits when you get cocks like J allard or some prick from sony telling us how they love us and are trying to offer the best service, when in reality they would fuck the consumer for all the money they had if they could.
My point being that alliences to the friends of the devil is of no use to us...
I would hate to think what would happen if sony had a monopoly on the console market, i already know microsoft tactics when it comes to having a monopoly. Those cheeky fuckers at microsoft love charging top wack and screwing there customers for shitty products.
It also gets on my tits when you get cocks like J allard or some prick from sony telling us how they love us and are trying to offer the best service, when in reality they would fuck the consumer for all the money they had if they could.
My point being that alliences to the friends of the devil is of no use to us...
Lunar Aura
Banned
trmas said:
and the truth shall set you free.
Lunar Aura
Banned
no. not at all. you posted my exact thoughts. very realistic view of things. but add into that view the ps3 about a year out and MS responding with halo 3 announcements and a pricedrop to $300 to counter sonys $300+ machine and you have a very real senario. the point is 360 isnt going anywhere nor will it "flop" no way in hell. not directing that towards you but all the OMGMSFAILED peeps.
fortified_concept said:
On this forum, nah that is against the TOS.
Exactly which developers are saying this? And not ones that are in the back pocket of Sony either. And when has the userbase of any console actually declare anything that was factual, considering the vast majority of any userbase is not nearly technically inclined enough to make any credible statments that concern console superiority. IMO, that kind of BS in both camps is just laughable.
Did I hit a nerve, I neve said you were trolling. Besides what facts do we know? Sure we can surmise the PS3 is more powerful, but I honestly believe that some feel it is like "next-next generation" powerful, and I just don't see that.
Oh you mean like the years the Sony Only club pissed on Sega fans that enjoyed the Saturn and Dreamcast? Well I guess it's that time again to basic in the light of truth and justice once again..eh? Go Sony Only club...
DAVEW
Lunar Aura
Banned
:lol :lol :lol :lol top whack? UKers rule. dont ban him. that post reminded me of snatch
MS will probably have a $5-10 million console lead at the end of the first year. And I honestly think MS could win America this time. But the other territories Sony will probably win over the long run. But you never know.
I will say, I've yet to see Sony make a mistake since they entered the market with the PSX, which is flat amazing.
I will say, I've yet to see Sony make a mistake since they entered the market with the PSX, which is flat amazing.
Shogmaster said:
Exactly, and I don't think that many Xbox for lifers would disagree either. But I think what some of the Sony camp believe here, is that the PS3 is a like a magnitude greater technologically. I just don't see that myself, and I am what one could label a Sony guy. It's the only system I own.
DAVEW
Lunar Aura
Banned
trmas said:
last years PSX.
Do you mean the PSP? It hasn't had the software support, but has sold pretty decently. Look, it's no secret who I favor. This has to do with Japanese support, and my surprising love of Sony's second parties. ICO, God of War, and Dark Cloud 2 have been some of the best games I've played this generation. Add surprisingly strong games like the R&C and Sly series, and Sony has managed to win this hardcore Nintendo fan over.
That, and I'm Squenix's slave. I care less for the PC games, and FPS types I've seen for the XBox. MS has one asset I really enjoy, and that is Rare. I will probably play more 360 games than anything else next year, with the exception of PS2 RPG's, and then when the PS3 comes out, it will probably get the majority of my money.
But gamers have different tastes.
That, and I'm Squenix's slave. I care less for the PC games, and FPS types I've seen for the XBox. MS has one asset I really enjoy, and that is Rare. I will probably play more 360 games than anything else next year, with the exception of PS2 RPG's, and then when the PS3 comes out, it will probably get the majority of my money.
But gamers have different tastes.
fortified_concept
Banned
Have you actually read the first post of the thread? And it's not just Uchida, other developers have stated that PS3 is considerably more powerful too. Don't ask for link everybody knows these statements. As for the userbase I was refering to the "close race" claims of some xbox fans, not the graphics difference.
No, I know you weren't refering to me. But some xbox fans keep saying again and again that Sony fans are trolling. Why? Because we don't accept some of their insane claims.
Lunar Aura for example said that he "feels" that the third party support for the two consoles is gonna be almost the same next gen. God knows why he assumed that. But when someone says "no you're clearly wrong" it's considered a negative comment for 360 thus trolling.
Also it's not "next-next generation" powerful and I don't think anyone said that, we're not gamefaqs here. There's a pretty big gap between the two console though imo.
" I honestly believe that some feel it is like "next-next generation" powerful, and I just don't see that.
" I think what some of the Sony camp believe here, is that the PS3 is a like a magnitude greater technologically."
:lol man people like you and Shogmaster just love to invent hyperboles to "prove" something that doesn't need proving, since you know, they don't exist. I guess if you say it enough it'll somehow stick like "OMG SOnY Said PS2 can do Toy Story graphixx!!"
" I think what some of the Sony camp believe here, is that the PS3 is a like a magnitude greater technologically."
:lol man people like you and Shogmaster just love to invent hyperboles to "prove" something that doesn't need proving, since you know, they don't exist. I guess if you say it enough it'll somehow stick like "OMG SOnY Said PS2 can do Toy Story graphixx!!"
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raYne said:
That's what I mean when I say they fight both real and imagined issues
Apharmd Battler
Member
KLeegamefan...why did you start this bullocks?! We could dig up articles and posts and contiue to drag this silly next-gen cat fight out. Look I know I'm hyped for the PS3 and as well as the XBox360 and the now the Revolution. But these tit for tat threads of late have started to become quite old and just a pain in the rear.
I'm not doggin' you but your inital post was somewhat a bold conjecture. My take from the quote is that the developer sees a some more processing power in the PS3 based, where the word "Comsiderable" came from is outright somewhat of an extrapolation. It a shame to see you go out like that. I'm hyped for PS3 as well, but damn, one MGS4 cinema and GAF and some of it's respected memebr fall to pieces.
My $0.02...and I'm outta this thread.......
I'm not doggin' you but your inital post was somewhat a bold conjecture. My take from the quote is that the developer sees a some more processing power in the PS3 based, where the word "Comsiderable" came from is outright somewhat of an extrapolation. It a shame to see you go out like that. I'm hyped for PS3 as well, but damn, one MGS4 cinema and GAF and some of it's respected memebr fall to pieces.
My $0.02...and I'm outta this thread.......
fortified_concept said:
I don't need to ask for a link, so you are safe there. If I feel really compelled to I could find them easily. But I did read the first thread and I actually don't see "considerably more powerful" I see this
""Uchida: I think there are some things you can do with the PS3 than you cannot with the 360. The processing speed is much quicker. The rendering variation that the PS3 offers is wider. But the online of the 360 is amazing and is probably better than the PS3.""
Honestly, I really don't know what that actually means, as God knows I'm no hardware guru. I can only assume he was commenting on the fact that the Cell is a more robust chip then what is found in the x360. And what does rendering variation being "wider" mean exactly? Are there more built in effects the RSX can peform than what the Xenos can not? I know HDR was a topic that the PS3 was stated to have a leg up on, but I would like to know exactly what he means by that.
So what I see is a developer stating the PS3 has some more ability if used correctly, I don't see that he is indicating it is "considerably" more powerful. Of course we all know the beast that is cell, so maybe that is what he was actually referring to. As a whole though the units seem very well within the same pallbark. IMO, of course.
Ah, fair enough.
Why are they insane? Because the claims don't follow the preset path of beliving in what Sony fans "believe" is how the future will unfold?
Who is to say that won't happen? I mean I am not going to sit here and say MS will make up all the distance between it and Sony left between them the last generation. But hey this is a huge business afterall, maybe MS will make some very smart business moves that will help their 3rdparty support. I feel that they have already made a big step in the fact that they are getting what looks too me, more Japanese 3rdparty support then they had last year at the same time in the XBox life-cycle.
Happens all too often here, doesn't it.
DAVEW
ypo said:
No, it is just that people like you don't care to deal with people that don't cater to your way of thinking. Sorry not all of us are going to blindly believe what you want.
I stated what I did, because that is exactly how I perceive some of the posters on this forum. If you don't agree fine. Just don't try to lump others into some neat little box of your chosing just because you don't agree.
I didn't invent anything, so just relax, K?
fortified_concept
Banned
No, because they have no stand to say these things. I'll further explain below.
Davew49 said:
Yes, but there's no evidence to it. What third party franchises has xbox succeeded to obtain that PS2 had? Tenchu and FFXI? (i think tenchu was not exclusive I'm not sure) Which companies that didn't support Xbox before showed their loyal support for Xbox360? (don't say Square, FFXI is far from showing support). Don't forget that one of the companies loyal to xbox isn't so loyal anymore. I'm talking about Sega. Problem is, that if every fan in this forum says what he "feels" that will happen without any real evidence to it, then we'll end up like teamxbox OA and gamefaqs. So if I say for example that I "feel" that Xbox360 will be abandoned by most third party developers will you respect my insane and stupid opinion?
Ok, then give me some names, just a couple of those who believe the PS3 is *order of magnitude* more powerful. I mean if there are some people who believe that, than coming up with a couple of names won't be too hard right?
"I didn't invent anything, so just relax, K?"
I don't take anything on here seriously, you on the other hand seems kind of uptight...
"I didn't invent anything, so just relax, K?"
I don't take anything on here seriously, you on the other hand seems kind of uptight...
MidgarBlowedUp
Member
PS2 exclusives coming out now look as good as top Xbox games.
Just imagine if Tekken 5 for PS2 was released at the launch of DOA3 for Xbox.
Or, the release of RE4 on PS2 at the same time Ninja Gaiden is released on XBox.
I'm sure many people would have a completely different view about how big the differences in power are for each system. It wouldn't have changed my mind though, I know each system does things better than the other from a technical standpoint.
Or, how about the near future? DOAU vs SCIII
Argue what you will, but both games look equally impressive on a technical level.
The fact is, this generation of consoles ended up on about equal grounds except for the Dreamcast which looked dated as soon as the PS2 was released.
Just imagine Soul Calibur vs Soul Calibur III, there is just absolutely no contest.
This next generation is looking in favor of the PS3, and if history (PS1, PS2) has taught us anything. MGS4 is just the tip of the iceburg for what the PS3 will be doing in the future.
Also based on history, Xbox360 will be tapped out very early on and may very well end up being the Dreamcast 2.
I hold Rumble Roses dear to my heart and penis as a game that had amazing potential.
I'm sure RRXX will look truly incredible on Xbox360, but I can't even imagine it on PS3.
It will be like Poser porn in real-time.
Just imagine if Tekken 5 for PS2 was released at the launch of DOA3 for Xbox.
Or, the release of RE4 on PS2 at the same time Ninja Gaiden is released on XBox.
I'm sure many people would have a completely different view about how big the differences in power are for each system. It wouldn't have changed my mind though, I know each system does things better than the other from a technical standpoint.
Or, how about the near future? DOAU vs SCIII
Argue what you will, but both games look equally impressive on a technical level.
The fact is, this generation of consoles ended up on about equal grounds except for the Dreamcast which looked dated as soon as the PS2 was released.
Just imagine Soul Calibur vs Soul Calibur III, there is just absolutely no contest.
This next generation is looking in favor of the PS3, and if history (PS1, PS2) has taught us anything. MGS4 is just the tip of the iceburg for what the PS3 will be doing in the future.
Also based on history, Xbox360 will be tapped out very early on and may very well end up being the Dreamcast 2.
I hold Rumble Roses dear to my heart and penis as a game that had amazing potential.
I'm sure RRXX will look truly incredible on Xbox360, but I can't even imagine it on PS3.
It will be like Poser porn in real-time.
V
Vennt
Unconfirmed Member
MidgarBlowedUp said:
Oh no you di'nt...
"Popcorn! Popcorn! Nice'n Hot Popcorn..."
Outdoor Miner
Member
ypo said:
Do you even read GAF?
If you don't see that attitude around and in this very thread, that's not anyone else's problem. Nor should it be their task to point out a list of names for you.
Lunar Aura
Banned
fortified_concept said:
all the 3rd party support that mattered was there. EA, rockstar, UBI, activision, THQ, sega, capcom to some extent, namco to some extent and its only looking BETTER next gen. WTF are u talking about?
MidgarBlowedUp
Member
Haha, that is such a subtle way of putting it.
I mean, can some of you not read between the lines here?
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raYne said:
This shit is crazy as hell to watch
MidgarBlowedUp said:
Nope.
1) Splinter Cell Chaos Theory Xbox
2) Halo 2
3) Doom 3
4) Riddick
5) Phantom Dust
6) Conker Live and Reloaded
7) Forza Motorsport
8) Ninja Gaiden
9) Amped 2
10) Crimson Skies
11) Mech Assault 2
12) Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow
13) Splinter Cell
14) Rallisport Challenge 2
15) Panzer Dragoon Orta
16) Jet Set Radio Future
17) Halo
18) Max Payne 2 Xbox version
19) Thief 3
20) Otogi and Otogi 2
21) Top Spin Xbox
And more I could name, not to mention most multiplatform games that offer superior image quality. This is just a list of games for which there is no equal on the PS2 in a given genre in terms of technical achievement. The possible exception is GT4 for Forza.
Just because a DOA's only claim to fame is more polygons in a character doesn't mean the Xbox doesn't have better graphics.
God of War? Metal Gear Solid 3? Jak 3? Sorry, not gonna cut it. The Xbox has superior lighting, higher polgyon counts, better textures, better IQ, stable utilizations of things like bump mapping/normal mapping and others and you know it.
fortified_concept
Banned
Lunar Aura said:
EA, activision, THQ always release ports everywhere. Big deal.
What games has ubisoft announced for 360? Except multiplatform games of course.
As I said Sega doesn't support the xbox platform like it used to. No comparison between now and then.
Capcom always released its low budget games on xbox. The only thing that changed is the RE5 support. I give you that.
Namco is no different. Frame City is far from a high quality game.
Rockstar? Where did you hear about rockstar supporting 360? There are some rumors about a GTA4 PS3 exclusive. That's all I heard. Are you hoping for a after 6-12 months port or something? You call that support?
Please further explain your "equal third party support for the two consoles" theory because honestly I see no evidence to it yet. Or it's just that "feeling" you have?
Apharmd Battler said:
I think the strain of keeping up the pretense of having some interest in the 360 is getting to klee. It's only a matter of time until the old "raving mad loony fanboy master of absurd hyberbole" a la the klee that used to pimp the "Ultra 64" in Gamefan breaks lose, although this time for Sony of course.
j/kLunar Aura
Banned
cant find it right now but there was a pic while back from an MS 360 conference with a slide of developers on board for the 360. rockstar was dead center of the slide. and i guess you've played frame city killers? how was it? tell us please. 3rd party support was far from bad this gen. look at the gamecube for god sake. I dont see how you cant see that 3rd party support is only looking better than it did last time around for MS. look at all the launch games for fuck sake. there is some really good original stuff in there.
*edit
found somethin
Rockstar's fiscal 2006 pipeline includes the release of Bully on PlayStation 2 and Xbox in the second quarter and a sequel of a Rockstar brand in the third quarter. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas for PlayStation 2 is expected to be released in Japan in the first quarter. A title based on a new brand for the Xbox 360(TM) is planned for the second quarter. Additional fiscal 2006 products include two new titles for the PSP system, as well as extensions of the Grand Theft Auto franchise
*yawn
) Idea Factory -- untitled
2) Eidos -- untitled
3) Arc System Works: some kinda battle melee action game
4) Activision: Call of Duty 2, TOny Hawk Amer. Waste, Quake 4, Gun
5) Atari Japan: Test Drive Unlimited
6)Artdink: Take the A Train X
7) SNK: KOF Max. Impact 2
8 EA: FIFA, Need For Speed Most Wanted, NBA Live
9 Capcom, Resi 5, Dead Rising
10: Kids Station, untitled
11: Cavia, untitled
12: Glef (sp?), untitled
13: Genki
14: Koei, Shin Sangoku Musou Special
15: Konami: Winning 11, Rumble Rose XX, Pro Yakyuu Spirits
16: Success -- Operation Darkness, ZOOKEEPER
17: Jaleco: untitled
18: Square Enix: FFXI
19: Spike, untitled
20: Sega: Chrome Hounds (?)
21: Taito; World Air Force
22: THQ Japan, Saints Row, The Outfit
23: D3: (not sure) X, Oneechanbara X
24: Tecmo: DOA4, DOA XVB 2, Project Progressive (action game) DOA Code Cronus
25: Tomy: Zoids
26: Treasure : untitled game
27: Namco -- RR6, Frame City, untitled RPG, LOVE FOOTBALL
28: Hudson - Tengai Makyou ZIRIA
29: Hamster : untitled game
30: Bandai: Z Gundam
31: Banpresto: Super Robot Taisen
32: Vivendi: untitled game
33: From software: EM Enchant Arm
34: Frontier Groove; untitled game
35: MGS: Everyparty (from Game Republic), Ninety Nine Nights, PGR3
36: Marvelous: untitled game
37: Yukes: Wrestle Kingdom
38: Ubisoft: Ghost Recon 3
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2KGames
Activision Inc.
Atari Inc. (English valuable standard)
Bandai Co. Ltd.
Bethesda Softworks LLC
Capcom Co. Ltd.
Codemasters Software Company Ltd.
Eidos Inc.
Electronic Arts Inc. (Beautiful business skill electricity)
FromSoftware Inc.
KOEI Co. Ltd.
Konami
LucasArts
Majesco Entertainment
Midway Games Inc.
Namco Hometek Inc.
Phantagram Co. Ltd.
Rockstar Games
Sega of America Inc.
Tecmo Inc.
THQ Inc.
Ubisoft Entertainment
Vivendi Universal Games Inc.
Webzen Inc. (Net imperial sacrifices)
dont feel like editing the dupes
*edit
found somethin
Rockstar's fiscal 2006 pipeline includes the release of Bully on PlayStation 2 and Xbox in the second quarter and a sequel of a Rockstar brand in the third quarter. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas for PlayStation 2 is expected to be released in Japan in the first quarter. A title based on a new brand for the Xbox 360(TM) is planned for the second quarter. Additional fiscal 2006 products include two new titles for the PSP system, as well as extensions of the Grand Theft Auto franchise
*yawn
) Idea Factory -- untitled
2) Eidos -- untitled
3) Arc System Works: some kinda battle melee action game
4) Activision: Call of Duty 2, TOny Hawk Amer. Waste, Quake 4, Gun
5) Atari Japan: Test Drive Unlimited
6)Artdink: Take the A Train X
7) SNK: KOF Max. Impact 2
8 EA: FIFA, Need For Speed Most Wanted, NBA Live
9 Capcom, Resi 5, Dead Rising
10: Kids Station, untitled
11: Cavia, untitled
12: Glef (sp?), untitled
13: Genki
14: Koei, Shin Sangoku Musou Special
15: Konami: Winning 11, Rumble Rose XX, Pro Yakyuu Spirits
16: Success -- Operation Darkness, ZOOKEEPER
17: Jaleco: untitled
18: Square Enix: FFXI
19: Spike, untitled
20: Sega: Chrome Hounds (?)
21: Taito; World Air Force
22: THQ Japan, Saints Row, The Outfit
23: D3: (not sure) X, Oneechanbara X
24: Tecmo: DOA4, DOA XVB 2, Project Progressive (action game) DOA Code Cronus
25: Tomy: Zoids
26: Treasure : untitled game
27: Namco -- RR6, Frame City, untitled RPG, LOVE FOOTBALL
28: Hudson - Tengai Makyou ZIRIA
29: Hamster : untitled game
30: Bandai: Z Gundam
31: Banpresto: Super Robot Taisen
32: Vivendi: untitled game
33: From software: EM Enchant Arm
34: Frontier Groove; untitled game
35: MGS: Everyparty (from Game Republic), Ninety Nine Nights, PGR3
36: Marvelous: untitled game
37: Yukes: Wrestle Kingdom
38: Ubisoft: Ghost Recon 3
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2KGames
Activision Inc.
Atari Inc. (English valuable standard)
Bandai Co. Ltd.
Bethesda Softworks LLC
Capcom Co. Ltd.
Codemasters Software Company Ltd.
Eidos Inc.
Electronic Arts Inc. (Beautiful business skill electricity)
FromSoftware Inc.
KOEI Co. Ltd.
Konami
LucasArts
Majesco Entertainment
Midway Games Inc.
Namco Hometek Inc.
Phantagram Co. Ltd.
Rockstar Games
Sega of America Inc.
Tecmo Inc.
THQ Inc.
Ubisoft Entertainment
Vivendi Universal Games Inc.
Webzen Inc. (Net imperial sacrifices)
dont feel like editing the dupes
fortified_concept
Banned
Lunar Aura said:
You've already changed the "equal third party support" claim to "third-party support is getting better". "Getting better" doesn't equal that the 360's list will match the list of developers Sony has great relations and exclusivities with.
Lunar Aura
Banned
and 360 will have a full 6 months to a year of "exclusives". whats your point.
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Lunar Aura said:
In the clutch
Lunar Aura
Banned
thanks! :lol
fortified_concept
Banned
Lunar Aura said:
My point is that you have nothing to support your claim that "the third party support will be equal this gen between the two consoles", and that this is not the first time that you make crazy claims with no real evidence to support your arguments. Anyway, this argument has become boring, I'm bailing out.
MidgarBlowedUp said:
Interesting post, but this part really makes me ask why you think that. With the 360 being such a different architecutre with 3 distinct cpu cores to work with, and a GPU with very interesting capabilities, I would think a comparison in "tapping out" the 360 vs the XBox a very interesting if somewhat off base comparison.
This is just to strange for me to even comment on.
DAVEW
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Lunar Aura said:
link?
MightyHedgehog
Member
PC Gaijin said:I think the strain of keeping up the pretense of having some interest in the 360 is getting to klee. It's only a matter of time until the old "raving mad loony fanboy master of absurd hyberbole" a la the klee that used to pimp the "Ultra 64" in Gamefan breaks lose, although this time for Sony of course.
:lol I agree with this.
Anyway, I think people know it's far too early for this shit...or, at least, they should know better by now if they actually paid attention to previous generations... There'll be plenty of time to argue this crap later, especially since this new generation doesn't begin until November 22nd.
the year 20XX
Member
so, uh, rumble roses
BOOBS
right guys?
remember pixel boobs?
BOOBS
right guys?
remember pixel boobs?
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
cyberheater said:
thats not what he said..
btw.. the main reason why people are making a big stink about this is because power was one of xbox's main selling points.
MightyHedgehog
Member
quadriplegicjon said:
And it wasn't for the PS2? I seem to recall that less than five years ago that Sony did nothing but trumpet (rather loudly) that PS2 was this supercomputer-like hardware...'digital wind' and such.