HomerSimpson-Man
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Kleegamefan said:
Well now it's more like Next Gen PS fans=it's all about the games....and more power!!
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Rumble Roses developer comments on X360 and PS3
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Well now it's more like Next Gen PS fans=it's all about the games....and more power!!
Heh. the Rumble Roses part of this topic died long ago. Long live the Ps3 vs x360 topics!The Take Out Bandit said:You folks are losing sight of the important thing here.
Rumble Roses XX is not the sequel to Rumble Roses, and the true sequel to Rumble Roses on the PS3 will blow your socks off, make you cream your jeans, and generally make the world a better place.
It sounds like Akari Uchida and company are really determined to make this series exceptional!
If that's not important, then nothing is!
Rumble Roses PS3 for great victory! WOOF!
Indeed.Kleegamefan said:
And just with the game footage and demos we've seen so far... i think it's becoming evident that the PS3 is more powerfull.
Even if we are not playing games on any of the 2 system by now, we can get an idea with what we've seen so far and believe what they are showing us to some extent.
If i look at Kameo, PDZ, Madden 2006, etc those are all looking good but common, you can tell it's not CG graphic and blablabla etc.
When i look at some MGS4, DMC4, RE5(yeah, even if it may be on 360) i have that CG feeling that makes me scream "next-gen is there". This won't translate in ALL the games but i think we have a pretty damn good idea of what will be the difference in looks between AAA titles on each platforms. Even the futuristic racer from Koei looks CG even if the art OMGWTF-horrible.
Even if it doesn't consolidate who wins the console war next-gen, we have to agree that most powerfull one is the PS3. And if you really want to argue about who will win the war, if you know a little about this industry you'll realise chances are on Sony's side... Brand recognition+userbase (best sales potential) = receiving support = lots of games = (go back at the beginning at equation and go through it again).
Even if we are not playing games on any of the 2 system by now, we can get an idea with what we've seen so far and believe what they are showing us to some extent.
If i look at Kameo, PDZ, Madden 2006, etc those are all looking good but common, you can tell it's not CG graphic and blablabla etc.
When i look at some MGS4, DMC4, RE5(yeah, even if it may be on 360) i have that CG feeling that makes me scream "next-gen is there". This won't translate in ALL the games but i think we have a pretty damn good idea of what will be the difference in looks between AAA titles on each platforms. Even the futuristic racer from Koei looks CG even if the art OMGWTF-horrible.
Even if it doesn't consolidate who wins the console war next-gen, we have to agree that most powerfull one is the PS3. And if you really want to argue about who will win the war, if you know a little about this industry you'll realise chances are on Sony's side... Brand recognition+userbase (best sales potential) = receiving support = lots of games = (go back at the beginning at equation and go through it again).
Shogmaster
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Kleegamefan said:
And it will be the most expensive this time around, and will not have any lead time in the market. You guys are acting like a bunch of ADD ridden kids running around foaming at the mouth without considering these basic factors.
And I know what's coming now: "A lot of good the cheaper price and head start did the DC! HAR HAR HAR!" You might want to remember that Sega was running out of operating capital, had to buy back the joe blow consumer confidence due to 32X and Saturn, DVD revolution was already happening in the market, and DC's chips were based on technology 18 months older than PS2. MS has none of these problems.
1. MS will not run out of operating capital. Infact, Not only is MS a much bigger presence than Sony, MS is in a much healthier financials then Sony, and can easily win a pissing match on costs.
2. XBox has just as much credibility to Joe Blow consumer as PS2. There is no hole to dig out of in consumer confidence.
3. There is no market detriment to only having DVD drive since BR-DVD is still a completely alien idea to the market place. Plus, the last time, everyone had a TV to see the DVD difference. There's not enough HDTV onwers to make the difference in the race this time. Average Joe gamer don't know they need it or want it.
4. XeCPU and Xenos were finalized only a few months before Cell and RSX. The basic technology are within the same generation: type of CPU ops and GPU shaders will be pretty much the same. It's just that Sony is more aggressive in tranny count and clockspeed for the chips, which will account for the power difference (which will be no where near DC to PS2). This will actually work in favor for X360 since most games will be ported for both. And the differnce between those games will most likely be in stuff you can't see in screen shots: physics complexity and AI.
As much as some would like to have the repeat of DC and PS2 battle in the market, this will be a much closer race. And no matter what the numbers turns out, you can bet that MS won't be throwing in the towel like Sega did due to running out of operating funds.
Lunar Aura
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Kleegamefan said:
QFT
i just have a feeling the games are gonna be pretty damn equal this time around 3rd party wise. no more built for sonys system then retooled shittily for the xbox. its gonna all hinge on 1st party titles and exclusives. LIVE could be an ace in the hole for MS as well as pricing. we'll see though.
Teknopathetic
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Klee: That's how things always work between the fanboys. The ones who advocate the powerful system trump up its power. The ones with the less powerful system trump up games.
It's almost like the system wars in 2000, except without interesting fanboys. These guys are just unfunny and downright sad.
It's almost like the system wars in 2000, except without interesting fanboys. These guys are just unfunny and downright sad.
cyberheater
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It's funny really. Rumble Rose has never exactly been a graphics/performance showcase on any platform and the recent screens of the 360 version does nothing to dispell the trend so i'm sure the PS3 version will be akin to the next coming. Not.
The Take Out Bandit said:You folks are losing sight of the important thing here.
Rumble Roses XX is not the sequel to Rumble Roses, and the true sequel to Rumble Roses on the PS3 will blow your socks off, make you cream your jeans, and generally make the world a better place.
It sounds like Akari Uchida and company are really determined to make this series exceptional!
If that's not important, then nothing is!
Rumble Roses PS3 for great victory! WOOF!
Confidence Man
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Wyzdom said:
Um, aren't RE5 and DMC4 in fact render targets?
And of course when you look at some of the least impressive stuff on X360 vs the most impressive stuff on PS3 you would form this opinion.
SolidSnakex
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Shogmaster said:
People made a big deal out of the expense of the PS2 also, didn't seem to hurt it much now did it?
Shogmaster said:
What?
PanopticBlue
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Kleegamefan said:
True.
However, there are still those of us, who (GASP) are excited for both machines and will buy both at launch and enjoy games on both for next 5 years or whatever. Unfortunately, GAF is severely lacking in numbers of such like-minded posters.
Lunar Aura
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he's right. compared to xbox launch, the xbox brand has come a LONG way. LIVE, HALO, better in some cases 3rd party ports...its all the reason XBOX started to outsell the ps2 for a moment in time. this isnt 2001 anymore.
The Take Out Bandit
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No, it's still all about the games; and four god damned years worth of come uppance, with interest - bitches! :lol
No one is saying the power means the win. Though it's been kinda decided before any hw was ever announced. Market dynamics have more to do with it than sheer performance. As for the power gap, the XB was still noticeably more powerful than the PS2. It doesn't have to be a trouncing like the PS2 over the DC. It's the argument that the systems have to be close in performance that's kinda ridiculous IMO.
To put it in perspective, though, even DC fans damage controlled the PS2. And that gap was big in performance and visuals. And if you were on this forum back then, you know this isn't even a fraction of the flamewar that existed then. DC fans were obnoxious, and the public shaming that ensued was just desert IMO. :lol PEACE.
To put it in perspective, though, even DC fans damage controlled the PS2. And that gap was big in performance and visuals. And if you were on this forum back then, you know this isn't even a fraction of the flamewar that existed then. DC fans were obnoxious, and the public shaming that ensued was just desert IMO. :lol PEACE.
Shogmaster
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SolidSnakex said:
Because A). It was only $299, not $399 and god forbid $499, and B). There was XBox also at $299, so it was far from being the most expensive.
Ask joe blow gamer if XBox has perception problems like Saturn.
Confidence Man said:
Render targets maybe. Give you a pretty good idea of what they want to achieve. Then MGS4 tells you it's possible. Remember it's just an IDEA we can have, we cannot be sure.
We only have what the devellopers are showing us and what they are telling us. There's no big conspiracy to make Sony or Microsoft sound better in general so with all those tidbits you can get an idea of the state of things.
And for the game i mentionned on 360, i actually tried to be fair as i named a good looking one (Kameo) and a "Meh" looking one (Madden).
SolidSnakex
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Shogmaster said:
We don't know what the PS3 is going to cost yet, people have been sure about really high prices for all of Sony's consoles and none of them have panned out that way.
Shogmaster said:
In Europe and Japan it doesn't really seem like the Xbox's image is good at all. In the US sure its better than the Saturn, but as good as the PS2's?
Lunar Aura
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pimpy, the gap was not big. soul calibur? NFL 2k? the only thing ps2 had gfx wise was GT3 hype. geez. the GT3 hype was so thick it was sickening. there was NOTHING that blew the DC out of the water for awhile. Sony was a monster though and that decided DCs fate. sega fans sick of being burned and sony coming off of a fantastic run with the PS1. they already had the mindshare. all sega had were its dieard fans.
MS has none of the problems sega had. in fact they have the exact opposite. they even have EA.
MS has none of the problems sega had. in fact they have the exact opposite. they even have EA.
fortified_concept
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Shogmaster said:
It does? That's why 360 and its peripherals cost that much? All the money MS had to spend they spent it with the first xbox to successfully enter the market. There are no more free rides with Xbox360.
According to whom?
Of course they won't give up that easily. Nobody suggested otherwise. I'm not that sure about the "close race" stuff though.
How did you assume that?
Shogmaster
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SolidSnakex said:
Let's just say that if Sony decided to do PSP type cost eating on the PS3, MS will make them pay for it HARD. Sony is hardly in a position to get in a costing pissing match with MS right now. Sony needs to profit from PS3 sooner than they did with much easier financial times around PS2.
XBox is firmly entrenched in US media as "hip". Small example: The episode of Entourage featuring Fight Night tournament with XBoxen and LIVE. I don't know about Europe though.
fortified_concept
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The Take Out Bandit said:
:lol Quoted for fucking truth!
Konami has always been Sony's lapdog 
I would hardly consider whatever they say as conclusive proof
X360 can do things beyond dx9 spec, while rsx cant (it is a g70 core afterall)
http://beyond3d.com/#news22654
So while cell might offer more processing power then 360's cpu, xenos might offer effects impossible on ps3.
the way i see it, ps3 will be able to do some things 360 cant and vice versa
hell, ps2 could do some stuff xbox couldnt despite beeing less powerfull.
I would hardly consider whatever they say as conclusive proof
X360 can do things beyond dx9 spec, while rsx cant (it is a g70 core afterall)
http://beyond3d.com/#news22654
So while cell might offer more processing power then 360's cpu, xenos might offer effects impossible on ps3.
the way i see it, ps3 will be able to do some things 360 cant and vice versa
hell, ps2 could do some stuff xbox couldnt despite beeing less powerfull.
Shogmaster
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fortified_concept said:
Because they are first up for bat, and they are greedy. They can reduce prices easily since they certainly have enough room in the margins.
The media.
If those factors don't determine how close the race will be then what? Fanboy expectations?
Not my quote.
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Shogmaster said:
Xbox brand has been hip for a while, I remember my sister telling me about them bringing it up in the Sopranos
SolidSnakex
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Lunar Aura MS has none of the problems sega had. in fact they have the exact opposite. they even have EA.[/QUOTE said:
Lunar Aura
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fortified_concept said:
ps2 was the lead platform due to market share. this led to the xbox almost NEVER being pushed to full potential. minor upgrades to graphics and custom soundtracks. big whoop. games like ninja gaiden and riddick were a huge leap over multi platform efforts. ofcourse you had the rarities like splinter cell but how often did this happen? UBI probably didnt wanna compete with MGS so they went where they wouldnt have to as the lead.
This time around sony may not have the luxury of having the largest userbase for one. they may not have the easy of developement. If it turns out being cheaper to work on 360 first then port to ps3 that may be another thing and you also dont have that huge gap in power between the 2 systems like you had with ps2 and xbox. ofcourse there is alot of speculation here but its not off the wall. i feel that 360 will have the marketshare, and the power to keep up with ps3 by the time it gets here.
Kleegamefan
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Shogmaster said:
OH SNAP......I HAVE SEEN TEH LIGHT....MICROSHAFT FOR THE COCKSUCK AMIRITE??
When I read this, I just laugh and laugh and laugh...
Shogmaster
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Kleegamefan said:
And people wonder why folks only bought Gamefan for the pictures.....
Lunar Aura
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Kleegamefan said:
OMGHI2U!!! :lol :lol :lol
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Shogmaster said:And people wonder why folks only bought Gamefan for the pictures.....
Perhaps if someone had de-polygonized GF it would have been better??
fortified_concept
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Shogmaster said:
Well all the evidence show that they're getting stingy. If you have evidence that they're willing to lose money again, then I'm wrong.
Well I don't know what you mean by "established" but judging from the US sales it doesn't seem so "established" in the minds of the consumers. I won't even mention Europe where Xbox is just a cheap media center with cheap games (if you know what I mean).
I don't see any real factors that would qualify this as a close race. The only thing that changed it the power of the consoles and that MS is not throwing money around anymore.
Yeah sorry I meant to put it in a different post.
Shogmaster
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Kleegamefan said:
Oh Klee.... That comeback smelled of desperation. :lol
Take it from Shog, who knows a thing or two about jumping to premature conclusions himselfShogmaster said:
But that's not saying nearly the same thing as your original assertion: that Xbox has just as much credibility as the PS2. If your measure is in comparison to 3rd place hardware from last generation and product placement in Entourage, you've still got a ways to go to establish equal credibility with the PS2.
Shogmaster
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kaching said:Take it from Shog, who knows a thing or two about jumping to premature conclusions himself
I do know all about foaming at the mouth, don't I?
Hold on a tic. You forgot "for the average joe bolow comsumer" at the end. And for them, not us, I think I'm right.
Not for the hardcore, but I think in the general populace and media, it's already there.
SolidSnakex
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jett said:
Even funnier after seeing that footage of the Xbox Gundam.
Shogmaster
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jett said:
You calling someone else biased? :lol :lol :lol
*wipes tears*
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
BTW, the initial Gundam footage WAS CG. I was only wrong about the geometry.
Kleegamefan
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jett said:
Lunar Aura said:
The PS2 benefited (spell?) from the userbase of the PS1 that was alot bigger than the Saturn's. This gave an headstart for the PS2 against the Dreamcast and even more because of backward compatibility.
Now the Xbox never showed it's true potential but it's because videogame is a business. It's always about the risk to get sales and nothing else. PS2 had that headstart thanks to the success of the PS1 wich lead the PS2 in increasing it's userbase and recognition even faster. Then PS2 was where the money is made. Don't ask yourself why games are made on the PS2 then ported elsewhere.
Now this time around yes Sony is again having the luxury of the userbase. The PS2 is still the most profitable and recognised console and it still will be even at Christmas 2006.
The first 6 months of the 360 will mostly be PS2 upgraded ports (EA does it, Activision does it, Ubisoft does it) --- just figure that if the guys with the more money doesn't risk shit, small compagnies won't.
This could lead into the 6 month gap not being all that of an advantage. The 360 need to receive plenty of Gear of Wars and have an impact not only on hardcore early adopters (mostly the type of people that buys consoles in it's first 6 month) but the casual people by looking exceptionally good: Good enough to forget about the PS3 and spend their hard earned cash right freaking now.
So unless the 360 leaves a mark early on, their 6 months won't give them much. Fact is that publishers will risk more money on the PS3 --- you definetely will see more AAA looking game faster than on the 360 thanks to brand recognition and userbase. And then the 360 risk to stop receiving PS2 ports only to receive PS3 ports (assuming the console wouldn't 600$ so it would take off normally).
Microsoft have to play their cards PERFECTLY if they want the state of the market to change.
Lunar Aura
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SolidSnakex said:
this is where you are wrong. how are TGS and E3 marketing? e3 is a trade event and TGS is a show 2000 some miles from the USA. marketing? You forget Halo 2? You forget Xbox LIVE? thats marketing that worked. You're also forgetting that this was MS first foray into the business. where sony was the marketing maven, MS is still trying to figure things out. I have a strong feeling MS is going to begin its real "marketing" as you call it come X05. We the hardcore have seen all the goofs and missteps but joe gamer? He will only see final product and not only will it have an effect on him, it will effect us too and our wallets will bleed.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
That much is true, but they are SO not doing that right now
fortified_concept
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Davew49 said:Well what ever it is, I'm sure it will pale in comparion to the rabid omnipresence of the Sony trolls that see to manifest just about every thread here at GAF now.
DAVEW
Oh for god's sake can you people separate trolling from defending logic? I mean you have xbox fans claiming that Xbox360 and PS3 will deliver pretty much the same graphics or that it'll be a "close race", when you have developers, games, tech demos, and the whole freaking 90 million PS2 userbase saying otherwise. Trolling would be a moron saying "OMG XBOX360 IS TEH D00MED!!!". Trolling is not trying to defend some obvious facts.
And it's not that most of us care so much about the graphics, I'm playing Atelier Iris for god's sake. Like The Take out Bandid said it's all those four damn years the Xbox fans where strutting like a peacock and snobbing PS2 fans as idiots for playing an "inferior console".
Shogmaster
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jett said:Please point out where I said I wasn't biased.
Oh then by all means. *buys jett a beer*
So, are you saying the PS3 pushes more geometry than the 360?
Oh I'm sure it will. Not only can the SPEs of Cell made to do additional T and L, but I'm sure the RSX will be able to set up and draw more than 500M PPS.
SolidSnakex
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Lunar Aura said:
It's marketing because it starts to paint a picture for the average consumer who might be on the internet or pick up a magazine while they're in a store. Sony knows what they're doing. Much like they did with Sega, they're building an image that the PS3 is much stronger than the Xbox 360, and MS is doing nothing to discount it. Some hardcore complain about them not showing playables, but its only because they know that it'll only hurt their image if they aren't in the proper form so they aren't going to risk it.
Lunar Aura
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Wyzdom said:
i had already mentioned the saturn stuff and i agree with that but i totally disagree with everything else. NFS was built for 360. IIRC Burnout is being built separately for 360. there are TONS of games being worked exclusively for 360. you mention this 6 month period. ps3 doesnt even have an official release date. what if its delayed to christmas 2006 for the US? that only gives more reason for devs to take time to up there stakes in 360. what if the 360 is a knockout success all 6 months in a row? even more reason for devs to invest more in 360 especially if this supposed power gap isnt as big as speculation is leading people to believe.
MS doesnt have to play its cards perfectly. People like yourself just have to get out of the mindset that sony cant possibly mess up. They arent perfect. Just masters of hype. take a look at their online "service". ouch. big diff from what was promised or "hyped" i should say.
mmmm...magazines that wont be on shelves until when? november!!!! hmmm...still pictures VS a blitzkreig of TV ads for 360. MS knows what they are doing. they dont have time to dilly dally with show demos. take namco for example. totally abscent with R6 up until 3 days ago. no pics, no vids, no nothing. "no way r6 will make launch" people said. instead of bullshitting with the public, namco was WORKING. MS is doing the same. they will strike when it counts.
If Sony can't shake the image that its console has "all the games", what makes the last four months able to unstick the "no power greater than X" image.
And to make things clear, there are at least a dozen Xbox games that technically blow away 99.9% of 1,000+ game PS2 library. It's just perception, and I think consumers understand it. If the PS3 can be expected to get another 1,000 games by the average consumer, surely the same expectation exists with regard to the Xbox brand's superior graphics (even if it isn't true this time).
And to make things clear, there are at least a dozen Xbox games that technically blow away 99.9% of 1,000+ game PS2 library. It's just perception, and I think consumers understand it. If the PS3 can be expected to get another 1,000 games by the average consumer, surely the same expectation exists with regard to the Xbox brand's superior graphics (even if it isn't true this time).