Rumor: New Wii U controller (analog sticks)?
- Thread starter AceBandage
- Start date
AceBandage
Banned
Why's that?
It'll have the main one for single player and all, then the possibility to use the WiiMote.
linko9
Member
And the classic controller (for local multiplayer; whether or not it supports multiple tablets, the cost would be high), and there will (hopefully) be 3rd party GC controller adapters. And nunchucks.
Yeah.... reading these past few pages has really boggled my mind. Seems some people won't be happy unless Nintendo spends $900 to make a console no one will buy at $600 because they want all the most bleeding edge tech, even when it's a ridiculous proposition to do so.
But why would Nintendo make a GCN controller that less than 1 million people would buy when a 3rd-party can replicate the GCN controller instead? Someone will make it, but Nintendo shouldn't be obliged to do so to appease you for one single game instead of doing what most of us do and move on, since the controller we use for ONE GAME out of the several we play isn't that big of a deal. The way some Smash Bros. fans tell it, playing Smash on anything but a GCN controller causes hand deformities.
Comparing the 100s to 1000s of hours you spent with the GCN controller in Smash to the less than 100 you probably spent with the others is ridiculous. You prefer the GCN controller because you were CONDITIONED into thinking it superior through repetitive use, nothing more. If it were a comfort issue, the GCN controller would not be replaceable for ANY game.
Ninja Scooter
Member
How am I exaggerating MY OWN opinion? I don't care for the 3DS pad at all. Period. I can understand why it has to be the way it is for a handheld, but there was never an excuse to put those on the WiiPad. Glad to see they made the change.
The same reason people buy actual Gamecube controllers then third party, the quality. It's not about being obliged to do so, it's more of a suggestion that would make me and a lot of others happy. I'm not sure what others are saying, but I'm not saying they "have to" I'm saying I "want them to".
It certainly does not, it's just not as optimal imo.
You might have been right here, except I have experienced this before and very recently too. For the longest time I've played fighting games on the pad and didn't think once of playing it on an Arcade Stick, it was only after a short time that I became accustomed to it and saw the benefits of it.
I've used controllers for fighting games in the same ratio you're comparing to my usage of non GCN controllers, and I wouldn't even think of going back to controllers since my moderate experience with it.
overthehill99
Member
This looks astounding. I simply can not think of a better idea for a controller. It literally combines every good aspect of previous controllers (SNES, Gamecube, 360 controller, iPad and Wiimote) and combines them into one perfect controller. I don't see how 3rd parties will even want to make games for other consoles next gen when this controller clearly offers tons of exclusive features that enhance gameplay beyond anything we have seen.
I know I'll be there day 1.
I know I'll be there day 1.
That's a personal comfort issue, not a matter of latent superiority. I've used arcade sticks for fighting games, too, for MUCH longer than you ever have, as I'm old enough to be part of the generation that played fighters when arcades were still popular and them being the ONLY option for some games. I PRAYED for home console releases of fighters because I find a higher point of accuracy with a D-Pad. Including Smash Bros. The only variance is that not all D-Pads are created equally, and I prefer some over others, but a D-Pad is still a D-Pad, and will choose it over a stick even as it shreds my thumb.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
And use the controller's screen as a Lens of Truth with full 360 degree rotation. :-O
Yeah, it's really sad still seeing people only want to use Gamecube controllers for a game like Brawl, even when the system no longer supports it. The strengths of the GCN controller don't lend itself a lot to Smash Bros. (D-Pads are more responsive and faster for moving and Smash attacks, digital triggers are more reliable for shields, etc), only reason you'd want to keep using it is because you're used to how it feels and how to use it.
Wait, what did it take from the 360 controller?
Click sticks and a glowing home button for notifications. Or were click sticks on the Dual Shock? I don't remember.
What are click sticks? Those analog sticks that have a button underneath? Those first came out with the Dual Shock.
overthehill99
Member
Ergonomics of course.
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
If anything the 360 controller took its ergonomics from the "S" controller, which clearly took its cue from the Gamecube.Ergonomics of course.
Ergonomics of course.
Ah ok, see it now.
It was added between the DualAnalog and the Dualshock on PSOne, IIRC.
(at least, I'm sure it was in Dualshock 2, but I'm convinced it's one of the difference between DualAnalog and Dualshock)
TheExplodingHead
Banned
The GC controller will live forever. As long as Smash 4 has Classic Controller support...
I'm in there
I hate the CC for Smash, but I guess I'll deal with it...
Jaded Alyx
Member
Steady on!
The GC controller will live forever. As long as Smash 4 has Classic Controller support...
I'm in there
Christ, I didn't know this thing existed, much less that it supported GameCube! The guys making it need to sell pre-assembled ones with GameCube adapters directly to the Smash community, and aggressively.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
Can you even buy those things yet, if so link me! My only thing particularly with Smash 4 would be the button/input mapping might not be perfect for the GCN controller like it should be.
I agree that I'd probably be able to get used to using a CCPro for Smash Brothers given a long enough time, but the arcade stick comparison is not a good one. There are things that are physically impossible to do on a D-Pad that are required for expert play of certain characters like Old T. Hawk in Super Turbo. They generally involve the fact that the stick works as a lever to do things faster than a thumb can be reasonably expected to.
Also fighting games are designed around the arcade button layout and that becomes obvious when you try to play a character like ST Balrog on a pad, because you need to be able to hold down three buttons with the palm of your hand while you attack with the other three. Same goes for piano inputs for characters like O. Honda. Really the list is pretty long with classic games. You can get by on pad with a lot of games, but in the end stick is objectively better assuming you learn to use both because there are things that are simply not feasible on a regular controller (Sometimes you can get by with macros, but those tend to be illegal in a lot of games in the competitive scene), not even one designed for fighters like a Mad Catz Fight Pad or something.
This doesn't apply to all fighters of course, like for example Persona 4 Ultimate's inputs are some of the easiest I've ever experienced using in a fighting game and I'm pretty sure no one is going to have problems playing that game on pad.
Muscle memory is a pretty big thing. Why is it sad that people want to use them? Also the analog triggers make a difference in the type of shield you use, and the analog stick requires only one input to dash whereas a D-Pad requires two.
test_account
XP-39C²
I understand.
In many cases it does indeed. But sometimes i've been handling pictures that looks kinda bad when they are zoomed out too much, which is essentially the same senario (the picture is smaller, but the resolution of the picture remains untouched). It is like there is too much pixels that are being crammed together in a too small space which makes the picture look kinda weird. But maybe the difference between the zooming out in my cases has been much bigger than the difference between 1080p and WiiU's controller resolution.Downsizing increases IQ,
You're holding it upside down. The analog sticks go on the top. Don't worry though. Even people that should know better hold it wrong. Apple has even made the same mistake. Here's a more accepted rotation. Hopefully we will get a new color or even new features soon.
Assuming we can map controls like in Brawl it shouldn't be a problem.
You can buy one here. It's pretty pricey as they ship from Brazil, so I'm probably going to wait until they show off the new Classic Controller before pulling the trigger.
Actually comes out to ~$50 for everything with shipping. Not bad for the greatest controller ever.
AceBandage
Banned
Yeah, there's more info we don't know (though we should soon).
Seems a bit expensive when you can probably build one for 1/3rd of the price (assuming you can retrieve a nunchuck connector), but I guess that it's a bargain if you don't want to bother with electronics yourself.
The great things with pads is that most of the time, the electronics needed is quite straightforward (except maybe on 360?). Especially with wired ones, but even bluetooth communication is easy.
The square below the D-pad is the Vitality Sensor. Also, the little square button at the bottom turns the controllers 3d display on and off.
Don't forget the orange port on the back where the coffee comes from.
When you talk "competitive play" for fighters, I tune out. I play games for fun, dude. And yeah, never had any of the problems you speak of with the D-Pad.
And why would a pro player use a standart pad? That's like showing off your Ford Mondeo at a drag race.
Or just use an arcade stick because it's better.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
4.5 months with 20 free games or 7-8 months with nothing. I'm not seeing a big difference, if anything the former is arguably more consumer freindly.
Actually, if Sony had pulled some "bullshit moves" back in 2007 maybe PS3 wouldn't have been doomed to last place? Vita could sure use a "bullshit move" or two right about now too.
Well, Smash Bros. is extremely well suited to the standard pad. For Brawl, the wireless alternatives (Wiimote + Nunchuk and Classic Controller/Pro) have all the same inputs, but the GC is still favored by pros because you can get a wired version and not have to worry about syncing anything.
Smash Bros. does use analog inputs.
ecosse_011172
Junior Member
They're pretty much the exact same size as the 360 and PS3 buttons.
I didn't realise, thanks for that.
I'd like some colour though
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
When Nintendo advertises the Wii U, what will they focus on? I guarantee it will be the controller. That is what will make or break the system. That is their new gimmick. The least they could do is to include a quality screen that is competitive with the screens of other devices released in the last year or so. I am not concerned with Nintendo's financials because I am not an investor. I am a customer that is interested in purchasing their hardware and software. Whether they're going to lose money including a quality screen isn't important to me.
... You do know the goal of a company is to make money, right? Not to loose it by making every single person happy.
test_account
XP-39C²
Microsoft too, at least in Europe. Early adopters of Xbox got two free games and a controller.
20 of those free games I can already play anywhere else, be it from their original media or for some other people, emulators. Also, a lot of those games I do not care about, the only ones I truly like are FE, Yoshi's Island, and Mario Kart, and FE/MK I already have on GBA and YI on SNES. What they could have done was give us a choice in the games we could download. Give us a list of 40 nintendo games and let us pick 15-20 of those. Besides, it's not like they spend money giving us those games, since they are all their IP and don't have to pay royalties for those games at all.
Oh and PS3 wouldn't have pulled such a bullshit move since it was already selling almost $200 at a loss.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Where did I say otherwise? I am not talking about what Nintendo should do as a company for their investors. I am commenting on what I as a customer am interested in.
Make something quick and dirty for E3 and sort it out later.
Much like with the original DS.
Not like they actually sorted it out until the Lite was released, though.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Didn't Sony give out free games because of the credit card intrusion?
I never said they would. Most pro fighters use sticks because they're my age and were weened on them as the only option. Personally, I found them really unpleasant to use, with the exception of the teardrop-shaped ones that were really rigid, so if I ever did get one, I'd get that style. It still comes down to a matter of personal comfort and muscle memory, even among the pro circuit.
And let's not talk about pro fighters like they're the only ones that play the genre, please.
And those two things are at direct odds with one another, so you shouldn't discuss one without consideration of the other unless you want to look horribly myopic. What you want is irrelevant when it can't be obtained.
Expectations without accounting for feasibility is ridiculous.
Oh no hey, you totally got me on the wrong foot here.
i meant why HE was talking about a non pro d-pad for pro players. I for one play games for fun. On standart controller....im crazy colors.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Free games > nothing
PS3 needed to be cheaper upfront, there's no question. What Nintendo did with their "bullshit move" was ensure 3DS didn't become another PS3.