Lupin the Third
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Bingo.
Rumor: New Wii U controller (analog sticks)?
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Bingo.
abstract alien
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Yeah, an arcade stick for Smash Bros sounds terrible. I hate using digital inputs for games with analog control.
No nintendo handheld will ever become a PS3. They have mario and the almighty Pokemon that will forever keep their handhelds alive. The only Nintendo handheld that didn't sell as well was the GBA Micro and that was their own fault for sending it out with the DS, it was basically cannibalism. My point is, if Nintendo was going to do a price cut, they should have done the price cut the same day it was announced and not wait two-three weeks, so people that didn't care for the console (at $250) could not cheat their system and get their 20 free games + $80 less.
Toodles did come up with a way of making a tilt modifier button for his MC Cthulhu sticks, but I think but it'd be pretty awkward to use.
The fact that this has to be explained just boggles the mind. Nicely stated, though.
I get you, Clovingsteam. But honestly I'm surprised the screen is even as good as it is in the first place, so I'm satisfied in some sense.
The screen, like 3D, is something I just don't really give a shit about. It's all about the software, so if they release games where the DRC is optional, I'll likely keep whatever CC iteration they're sure to come up with on hand.
The screen, like 3D, is something I just don't really give a shit about. It's all about the software, so if they release games where the DRC is optional, I'll likely keep whatever CC iteration they're sure to come up with on hand.
Have we discussed what prompted the move from slidepads to analog sticks? I can almost guarantee it was at the request of developers with early dev kits. Slidepads just don't make sense if you aren't concerned about portability. It's a tradeoff for sure, and I'm very thankful that (I'm assuming) developers spoke up and demanded that they use analog for a home system.
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It was almost assuredly to appease FPS/western devs IMO.
Based on E3 hands-on impressions, it doesn't seem like anyone actually had any major complaints about the performance of the slide pads. So perhaps Nintendo was persuaded to change it in order to avoid future criticism over its seemingly unnecessary design choice. If you're going to use dual analog, then why choose an alternative solution if it's just going to make people complain about it for being different and potentially alienate some gamers who just want traditional analog sticks ?
Plinko
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Isn't the dpi confirmed to be better than the iPad2 screen?
Could've had something to do with expected wear and longevity of the circle pads. You never really know.
That's the impression I get too. Like, will it come bundled with the tablet+wii remotes?, Some games require the wii remote for a complete experience, that might confuse some consumers.
For FPSes, it really isn't fun to have your analog control "snap" back into place as rigidly as the circlepads do. I love the circle pad on my 3DS, but I don't want it for my home console.
Dreamwriter
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I would bet money that they originally chose circlepads because they require less space inside the case and allow the device to be slimmer and lighter. But after a lot of testing it was determined that they needed to make the device thicker and more ergonomic to allow for more comfortable long-term gameplay, and doing so took away the reasons to use circlepads, so they replaced them with analogue sticks.
boiled goose
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Arcade stick for Smash? What is this crazy talk?
Clearly most traditional fighters play better with a stick because they were designed to be played with a stick.
Smash (melee) was designed around the gamecube controller, and the controller works perfectly for it. You dont have directional input combos or multi button actions so a stick is pretty unnecessary. Smash is more about character movement hence why an analog thumb stick works best.
Or they simply had some extra 3DS pads lying around haha. Is the Wii still being manufactured?
Clearly most traditional fighters play better with a stick because they were designed to be played with a stick.
Smash (melee) was designed around the gamecube controller, and the controller works perfectly for it. You dont have directional input combos or multi button actions so a stick is pretty unnecessary. Smash is more about character movement hence why an analog thumb stick works best.
Or they simply had some extra 3DS pads lying around haha. Is the Wii still being manufactured?
Yup, one less thing, but those morons will still find something so terrible about it that it's enough reason not to buy it.
"Fuck off, it's white"
"No way, the start button is not quite in the right place"
"Not buying, the company who makes it starts with an N!"
IsntChrisL
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I really don't understand why some people are bitching that they moved start/select. They are in a much better position now.
Don't even bother, dude. ClovingStream thinks anything less than Retina is total garbage, despite the fact that less than 10% of consumer electronics, notebooks and computers included, actually use them.
ClovingWestbrook
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Lol where did I say that? Oh, I didn't. I said that the screen on the Wii U controller isnt impressive and it isn't.
You just want the screen to be as good as an iPad. Even if it was, people would complain about how expensive the controller is. You just can't have both an iPad screen and a reasonable price on a controller for the regular consumer.
ClovingWestbrook
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And? Where did I say I am worried about that? I have said multiple times that I am not worried about Nintendos finances nor others.
DragonKnight
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So you want nintendo to make the screen nice and make a loss on each unit sold, right?
Then this console is not for you. Period.
Now you can talk about something else. Maybe Microsoft will go with the Tablet + Console Idea with Windows 8 and please you by bleeding to death.
Nintendo dont care that you would be willing to pay hundreds of dollars for a controller anyway, because people like you are not in huge numbers....so say what you want, you'll never get it, because they have better things to worry about than pleasing people who want the best tech in the world no matter the price, as you have probably noticed since the Wii and the DS.
DragonKnight
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Where do people get this sense of consumer entitlement?
Edit: Make the system as powerful and as feature rich as possible but within the margin of profitability. Maybe a small loss that can be recouped quickly like the cube. Maybe
Edit: Make the system as powerful and as feature rich as possible but within the margin of profitability. Maybe a small loss that can be recouped quickly like the cube. Maybe
He isn't. He want's a cheap console that cost 800 dolars to manufacture. He clearly is not in Nintendo's target audience.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I haven't heard anyone that has seen it in person comment negatively on the quality of the screen.
We're not talking Wii Remote speakers or 3DS camera here.
There's always going to be better things but unless the item on hand is bad on its own, I myself won't be too concerned.
We're not talking Wii Remote speakers or 3DS camera here.
There's always going to be better things but unless the item on hand is bad on its own, I myself won't be too concerned.
Well, this IS an era where $5 for a complete downloadable content-rich game is considered too expensive for many folk.
I don't get why you guys keep saying what some of us want would be too expensive, when we don't really know how much the console and controller costs (to produce it). I know I'll get laughed at by saying this but Pachter believes the controller should cost around $50 to make and although I'm not saying I agree with him, I doubt the price is much higher than that tbh. Also, I doubt they spend much on the console either since it's not a very powerful system to begin with, at least from what we've heard/read (at least for 2012 standards).
it is?
Heh, you underestimate the cheapness of some people.
DragonKnight
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So you want an HD capacitive touch screen and a system as cutting edge as possible and you think that it won't be expensive to produce? And how much would a replacement controller cost?
Edit: Nintendo will do anything that is feasible and profitable. If they don't it's because they don't think it is. And considering how much money they've made I'd say they know what they are doing.
Personally I would prefer a multi-touch resistive touchscreen but I do admit that it would be too expensive. Honestly I just want a console that can upscale Wii games to 720p and one that allows me to have 4 Wii U controllers (but I guess I would be ok with just two). It should have a large enough internal memory as well (not asking for much but at least 120gb)
TheGreatMightyPoo
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People don't even buy albums anymore.
DragonKnight
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Exactly. Personally. I don't know when gaming became a crazy tech race and it became less about games. I don't even need the WiiU to be crazy powerful. I just hope it gets high profile third party support for the rest of its life. If that happens it'll be my only next gen console.
And that's fair. But Nintendo being concerned about their finances is the reason they've outlasted all competitors in this industry thus far. So, unless you and those like you can offer a terribly compelling reason for them to jettison concerns of their own profitability, I imagine it's best to keep your expectations a bit more conservative. Who knows: You might just like what they offer whether it uses the fanciest tech available or not.
It will, until the NextBox arrives
There is a difference between being worried about Nintendo's finances and having realistic expectations. I do not assume that they're going to sell each console at a huge loss because that is neither a strategy they've employed historically, nor one that guarantees any kind of success.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Yeah, people act like the graphics of today are an eyesore or something and are always looking for visuals to be pushed.
I'd rather they graphics get marginally better and the game ideas progress.
DragonKnight
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And that's what really worries me about the system. If it can't run next gen engines then that will be the case and we'll see a Wii 2.0 situation. But if it can...
You guys are in the minority though (well, since this is a Nintendo thread, you will be in the majority). Gamers want graphics to keep moving forward. PC gaming is already ahead enough to make console games look slightly dated, and if the Wii U has similar graphics to PS3, then 3 years from now the games will look like an eyesore, compared to PC games. Consoles will always play catchup with PC, and if the general gaming community sees that PC gaming is way ahead in graphics, then a lot of them will just switch to PC gaming and forget about consoles.
Nextbox and PS4 (if Sony doesn't bleed itself to death) will most likely have better graphics than the Wii U, much better graphics. Third parties would probably shift their work to those consoles, just like it happened this gen.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I cant believe people want arcade sticks for smash. lol youd still be ass with them.
The optimist in me wants to see this as more of a PS2/GC/Xbox stratification. Some games will wind up having cut-down ports on WiiU, and some games may be missed entirely, but the system can still have a long, healthy life if it establishes itself with developers. The rumored architectural similarities to Xbox 360 should help with that.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I couldn't disagree more but to each their own.
Metroid Prime still holds up well for me visually to this day and it wasn't even a game from this generation.
One game won't hold gamers exclusively to that console, if 90%+ of the games look better on PC or another console, core gamers will probably play on those, and third party will follow.
ClovingWestbrook
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Thanks Vinci. I always do appreciate your posts. You offer responses in a respectful non-attacking method. Don't get me wrong, I will eventually pick up the Wii U just because I am ready to enjoy Nintendo 1st party games again that don't require motion control. Perhaps I will be pleasantly surprised but I still am more concerned with what I want as a consumer than what Nintendo desires as a business. If I was an investor of their stock that wouldn't be the case. But hey, I'm also one of those who purchased the PS3 at $600 and don't regret it one bit since I was able to get so many hours out of it both as a gaming and non gaming device.
I'm just wondering to myself over here, what about the Wii U screen isn't quality exactly? I remember a set of pics from CES that showed it in a number of lighting situations and it was very crisp with good viewing angles. Also, isn't the DPI on it fairly high?
Edit: Vinci, man why do you always kill it with the good posts?
Edit: Vinci, man why do you always kill it with the good posts?