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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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bomb
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Should just call it NES
Yes.
Ive been able to play Destiny on my Vita, 600 miles away from my console. There was a little lag but overall it worked really well. TBT, both the Vita and PS4 were on fiber line but still on wifi.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Agreed, and I actually believe LCGeek's info the most because Nintendo is on record stating the CPU was the major problem that held back the Wii U, IIRC.
Agreed, but with Vita, a separate $150 accessory purchase was required. This would be presumably included in the regular console cost.
people have gotten remote play working on the android tablets they already have with DS4 support. I don't know why none of the console makers have caught on to this yet, but people don't want to carry around a dedicated device for remote play. if the rumor is true nintendo already made a huge misstep by not making this an app.
Not very well in my experience, lots of video corruption, lag, and input lag. The vita also doesn't have l2 and r2 buttons. I have 40 meg Internet running through fiber, and a $200 Asus ac router. It doesn't even work well inside my apartment, even through a direct connection to the ps4. I have had 3 different vitas and remote play was garbage on all of them. I have done all the vita and router troubleshooting as well. I think a lot of the people who say remote play works great either don't have very high standards, have never played on the wii u gamepad for comparison, or may be somewhat blindly defending sony. I think it may work well for people with insanely fast Internet connections, but that's about it. Lots of people have remote play issues. It's no where near the same level as the wii u gamepad, imo.
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LordOfChaos
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LPDDR4 chips have a 16 bit width, that's the issue. For 64 bit you use 4 chips. 8 for 128, 16 for 256.
Sounds pretty similar to my experience, until i disabled power save mode.
Possibly the entire NX library for sub-100$
Fess
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There was a little lag?
And I can't even get "a little lag" when I sit 3 meters from the console :/ Haven't bothered trying it in some time now though, maybe there has been an update.
WiiU streaming on the other hand is snappier than my TV. But the range is awful, the signal gets cut off if I go upstairs. Very useful when the TV is occupied if I sit in the same room though.
Night Angel
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I think you've fucked up somewhere because I (and many others) have been able to successfully remote play with a pretty damn good experience (and I have had a 24 Mb connection). I think it's hilarious that you'd rather assume everyone else is a Sony Pony than think that maybe, just maybe, your experience isn't indicative of everyone else.
The WiiU gamepad has a bit less lag, but you've blown the difference between the two experiences WAY out of proportion.
because it's all wild speculation and irrational hopes?
Graphics Horse
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Well, note that I say in my experience. Myself and many others think remote play is garbage, so your experience is also just anecdotal.
Could be Sony's qc regarding wifi and remote play on their vitas isn't very good as well, as every vita I've had has terrible wifi. If I I have to go through more than 3 vitas to find one with decent wifi, there's a problem. Turning off power saving didnt help. Sold all three and am not trying again though.
Nah. You don't understand what they could possibly be thinking. The rumor is incredibly weak regardless of how much we've been talking about it lol.
I think we've forgotten the validity of this rumor was seriously lacking.
I think price alone wasn't the issue, nor the lag and image quality.
Demand for remote play seems very niche.
I'm still hoping for a never seen before gimmick.
lyrick
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I can imagine that the image quality is okay on a small vita screen, but using both the PSTV or the PC Application the image is pretty low quality. I have a very similar experience and a gigabit Hardwired router (doesn't matter for PSTV, but should on the PC [although it doesn't seem to]. It's not unusable, but it's far from the smoke people are blowing up each others asses. There's noticeable latency [even Digital foundry sees a 6 frame lag time (adding an additional 100ms at 60fps/Hz) which some can adapt to without issue, while others will persistently notice it.
Zombegoast
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That was on IBM and Engadget who said the Wii U will use Power7 with other sites following the report.
frankie_baby
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Didn't it use the cache or something from power 7 chips?
ultrazilla
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If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Sorry but I'm not buying any of these NX rumors.
NeoGAF really, really need to walk back their excitement.
I think you're being worked worse then a WWE crowd.
You can go to jail for breaking NDAs. There's no way developers are letting
things get out like specs, etc. At most, a few small things may be legit but other
pranksters are jumping in muddying the waters with outlandish claims.
For example, there's no way on Earth I see a Nintendo launching at a loss. They've always made positive money on their hardware launches. Heck, it's pretty much one of their philosophies.
As for system power, Nintendo has repeatedly said they don't see themselves in console
wars with MS or Sony. For the NX to be more powerful than a PS4 and possibly on par with a PS4K while still selling at an affordable price....I just don't see it.
Fair warning Nintendo fans. Dial back your expectations big time. Better to be surprised then let down.
Proelite
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I was getting my info from this article, and thraktor has thrown around the same numbers.
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...es-between-wide-io-hbm-and-hybrid-memory-cube
I honestly hope so, i mean personally i'm not even a nintendo fan, i'm only in this thread because its been on the front page for what seems like forever. If the NX reveal rolls around and they are touting a gamepad v.2 and calling it the future, i hope everyone has the foresight to see it as another failure, maybe not a failure in sales but certainly a failure in vision. the WiiU wasn't unsuccessful because people in mansions couldn't play offscreen in their pool houses. People are just over the idea of having dedicated devices in general. the whole console market is shrinking and it's in large part because devices that do one thing are niche, even if the do that one thing way better than a smartphone or tablet. This is a problem facing all three console makers and it's disappointing to hear that nintendo doesn't seem to even be making an attempt at a solution. If the rumored specs are true, the NX doesn't even seem like an attempt to bring people back to the console market, but rather an attempt to finish this gen somewhere between PS4 and Xbone, which as a fan of gaming at large seems like a shitty thing to aim for. I hope to god these rumors aren't true because they seem to lack any vision of the future.
ShadowFox08
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Nintendo sold Wii U at a loss at launch, and was still selling at a loss 8 months after.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-10-25-nintendo-admits-wii-u-to-be-sold-at-loss
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/08/nintendo-wii-u-still-being-sold-at-a-loss/
Anyway, I do think we're getting incredibly optimistic about the Nintendo NX. However, now that we have new President, things can be different. Nintendo's philosophy in regards to power and innovation can change easily this generation.How could they not learn after two generations?
Wii U was sold at a loss tho...
I thought it was a misconception that Nintendo generally sells its hardware for profit at launch, and that it just was often able to sell its consoles at an initial, albeit small loss so that it can break even and sell it a profit sooner rather than later compared to what Sony and Microsoft have historically done.
Miyamoto's already commented on what Nintendo cares about in regard to hardware from a June 2015 interview:
Miyamoto's already commented on what Nintendo cares about in regard to hardware from a June 2015 interview:
What if they do like a Sunday before E3 reveal? Kind of like how last year they did the Smash Direct & NWC just before E3.
If people judge the system's value based on whether or not its controller has a screen or not I think they're in it for the wrong reason. In the end the only thing that matters is if has good games, ones you don't get elsewhere, and enough of them coming at a solid clip
Nintendo is better positioned as a maker of dedicated gaming devices than the other two because the product they offer, the experiences they offer, are ones you don't get anywhere else. You don't get them on PC.
You've got the number of chips the wrong way round. Nintendo could get anywhere from 8GB to 24GB of LPDDR4 on a 256 bit bus providing 119GB/s with four chips. GDDR5 and GDDR5X aren't available in larger than 1GB capacity yet, so they'd need 8 chips for 8GB, 12 chips for 12GB, etc., although they'd get quite a bit more bandwidth in the process.
It's also important to note AMD's drive to make more efficient use of available bandwidth. With GCN 1.2 they implemented lossless color buffer compression, which they claim reduces bandwidth usage by about 40%. Real world benefits might be a little lower, but the GCN 1.2 Tonga-based cards manage to outperform the older Tahiti cards they replaced with about 35% less bandwidth (even on very high resolutions, which are usually bandwidth-constrained). On that basis 119GB/s is plenty for PS4-equivalent hardware using GCN 1.2. AMD have also listed "memory compression" as another added feature for Polaris, so if Nintendo go that route there could be further bandwidth savings (and there's certainly scope for it, as Nvidia still gets by on quite a lot less bandwidth than comparable AMD cards).
GregLombardi
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I know I'm a grumbly old 30+ gamer that re-calibrates happy go lucky NeoGAFer expectations regularly, but I do feel it is important to emphasize that starting potentially in about 2 weeks, we are in for the longest run of and possibly most important year of updates on Nintendo's future direction ever.
Zelda Wii U / NX, and the direction it was going before disappearing from the face of the planet, is a big enough deal to dominate game software talk for the next 6-12 months. Never mind everything else Nintendo has going on. The potential for success / failure / constant Nintendo news is immense in the next 12 month period, unlike anything I've seen since I started watching this industry as a 15 year old.
Should be very interesting.
Zelda Wii U / NX, and the direction it was going before disappearing from the face of the planet, is a big enough deal to dominate game software talk for the next 6-12 months. Never mind everything else Nintendo has going on. The potential for success / failure / constant Nintendo news is immense in the next 12 month period, unlike anything I've seen since I started watching this industry as a 15 year old.
Should be very interesting.
I guess that makes GDDR5 the only option.
People will say that NX is underpowered even if the two are closer than expected.
It's not just Nintendo fans who should want Nintendo to do well, its all fans. Here is the bottom line, unless something drastic changes, this generation less hardware will be sold than last generation as a whole. And i have a feeling we're seeing these "XB1.5" and Sony PS4k because they all have internal reports talking about a decline in sales sooner than they anticipated.
VR and "Enhanced" versions of consoles are all going to be used to ensure momentum continues, at least they hope.
Nintendo meanwhile HAS to kick start another generation simply because their own Wii U had failed. Sp yeah we all hope Nintendo does well, because Nintendo doing well ensures the industry as a whole, not just a few big whales in the ocean, eat well.
To me it'd signal the beginning of a new era in console gaming.
IronicSonic
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Sony has story doing moves like that, since pre-release PS2 rumours near Dreamcast launch
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Nothing?
I mean, like everything, it will come down to the games/price/is it enough to entice consumers.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Not that I disagree with your overall message, but the underlined part is not true - NDAs between individuals/companies are of civil statute, not of criminal statute. You can go to jail for breaking a state secret, but not for breaking an NDA.
Sorry to say, but ps4k would fail. Or it does only vr and works together with pc gamws.
3rd party wouldn't make games for only 1 console.
Also when can we expect ps5? Over 4/5y?
So 4 X 2GB LPDDR4 chips for 8GB of DDR4 on a 256-bit bus at 119 GB/s is possible? Is ddr4 cheaper than gddr5?
Then one of the rumors is false. As the PS4K can't be both 2x the power of the PS4 and way more powerful than something notably better than the PS4
Also Sony would upset a lot of people.
Exterminieren
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Not much? PS4 and Xbone will be part of third party plans for years to come, Nintendo are unlikely to be making their pitch purely based around specs, and PS4K is more likely to be an enthusiast's system than the mass-market that Nintendo will be aiming for.
Skiesofwonder
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