UnemployedVillain
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Because the PS4 will be 3 years old and said even low performance new chips are more powerful than it
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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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Because the PS4 will be 3 years old and said even low performance new chips are more powerful than it
The specifics are off. Maybe someone has wrong target levels.
Who knows. I think it is just a good reminder to temper your expectations on things. Even "reliable" sources can be off a little or give some good and some bad info so nothing can be tracked back.
Again though it is a good idea to take heed of what she says and back off the hype a lot.
chaosblade
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My thought a couple pages back was 12CUs. Maybe a bit slower on clocks than the PC GPUs. That could hit a bit above PS4 level and if yields don't suck it would be rather cheap and very power efficient.
Not really expecting that though, my expectations are still a sub-PS4 system on 28nm.
The GPU improvements since the PS4 released are minimal. Nintendo wouldn't be able to make something equal or better at a lower price on 28nm at launch because of that. Polaris on 14nm is the first big jump since then.
Not matching PS4 is pretty sad on Nintendo's part, though. I can only hope that the price matches the power. $300 max, $250 ideally.
Either way, we can say for sure that Nintendo won't talk about specs. We'll have to wait DF port analysis and teardowns to know what's in this thing. I think we should just assume that it's powerful enough to get current-gen ports and focus on the games instead.
EDIT: Lol the level of denial in this thread. I guess I was only speaking for myself earlier.
Time to take a break from this thread until acceptance kicks in...
Either way, we can say for sure that Nintendo won't talk about specs. We'll have to wait DF port analysis and teardowns to know what's in this thing. I think we should just assume that it's powerful enough to get current-gen ports and focus on the games instead.
EDIT: Lol the level of denial in this thread. I guess I was only speaking for myself earlier.
Time to take a break from this thread until acceptance kicks in...richman555
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I wonder if we will see a tech demo at E3?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shch7LNkVXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_fyOkrteqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shch7LNkVXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_fyOkrteqM
The good specs part still has me hyped, as someone who'd be ecstatic with PS4 or anything better at all. But it's all relative to her or her sources expectations.
But no one ever said it may or may not be on par. We know the CPU is better and that's really it.
reelbigtink
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Where are you getting this?
Not matching PS4 is pretty sad on Nintendo's part, though. I can only hope that the price matches the power. $300 max, $250 ideally.
Either way, we can say for sure that Nintendo won't talk about specs. We'll have to wait DF port analysis and teardowns to know what's in this thing. I think we should just assume that it's powerful enough to get current-gen ports and focus on the games instead.
EDIT: Lol the level of denial in this thread. I guess I was only speaking for myself earlier.
Is? How do you know that it is if you dont know the specs lol?
Not matching PS4 is pretty sad on Nintendo's part, though. I can only hope that the price matches the power. $300 max, $250 ideally.
Either way, we can say for sure that Nintendo won't talk about specs. We'll have to wait DF port analysis and teardowns to know what's in this thing. I think we should just assume that it's powerful enough to get current-gen ports and focus on the games instead.
EDIT: Lol the level of denial in this thread. I guess I was only speaking for myself earlier.
yes because we know the specs.
UnemployedVillain
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Not a single rumor or "counter" rumor has even implied that though. You're literally reading into it what you want to
ninjablade
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i think the only realistic rumors are in-between xbone and ps4, or ps4 like power with better cpu.
It's very possible the three people from the T3 people piggybacked off each other.
Perhaps, but I feel like Nintendo would go with a full-fat chip and thus would use Bonaire like XBone but without the two disabled CUs. A full-fat Pitcairn is off the table since that would be noticeably faster than PS4, what was just ruled out. So, 14CUs @850MHz seems like a lock imo. That should be enough to either run XBone settings at more stable frame rates, or to run at XBone resolution with PS4 settings.
If the gimmick was wrong though, it'll be interesting to see whether the Mario Maker and Splatoon rumors will pan out, and if they do, how they will sove the 2nd screen problem.
DrROBschiz
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There hasn't been a rumor like that yet. Though there have been a couple "weaker than xbone" rumors.
Dark Cloud
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I mean they could just sell an optional controller with a screen or have a NX handheld that can be used as a second screen too. I mean there are options.
Prisoner KSC2-303
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They probably wouldn't have to bother; there are already enough fake ITK "sources" and people falling for them to ensure any real information is lost in a sea of voices.
Couple that with wild conjecture - as seen in this thread - by those trying to interpret either real or fake leaks, and the result is bedlam.
If anything, I'd be more inclined to believe Nintendo would prefer to abate this kind of rampant speculation, as it inevitably leads to skewed optimism about super powerful boxes released at a low price subsidised by Nintendo themselves. The reality of a mid-gen console, priced perhaps even slightly higher than the competition, that's not a major leap will only seem a let down in comparison
Makes sense people were saying MM and Splatoon would have problems.
I still believe its above ps4. Just not Uber
No. But maybe they got their info from the same source?
As I said, I've been transparent as possible and never claimed this as my own info. If three different people yanked my chains about this, well, bravo.
Taking what Emily is saying literally, though I guess being "not noticiably more powerful also works. The problem is, how would they get there? It's kind of weird for them to hit something like that without actually trying to hit that specific target.
Though. I guess 18% faster might not be noticeable? Yeah, that might work. So, I'll say that it's either 14CUs @850MHz (1.5TF) or 20CUs @800MHz (2TF). Those sound about right, don't they? And a 2.0GHz Puma+ or A72.
EDIT: Oh man, I worded it poorly. I meant that it would be sad, but it's what I was guessing since other results seemed off. Sorry.
If you were to remove those three specific people and the one who mentioned Polaris, how would your tiering change? Would everything be T1?
You could just use a smartphone app in the case of Mario Maker.
Graphics Horse
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Touchpad on controller. And an on screen map for Splatoon obviously. The invented gimmick wouldn't give you 2 screens away from home anyway, so useless for those games.
Rightfully so. Even with the rumors of polaris, i was thinking more along the lines that they would use it to clock it very low, in order to get a cool, silent and energy efficient console with slightly above ps4 performance and maybe a few tricks up its sleeve (feature set).
This is still basically where i'm at.
DrROBschiz
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I think if people set their expectations there they will be less likely to be disappointed. I'd expect a ~ 20% jump up for roughly the same pricing. I think most people would be happy with that power. I think people getting the 3TF hardly ons were the ones who needed tempering. It will odds on be in between.
AcademicSaucer
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well then, it was fun I guess
Yup. Also, I math'd wrong. What I posted was an 11% jump. I think that perfectly matches "technically more powerful" without having a specific taget relative to PS4 and just aiming for the best they can offer under $300. I wonder if it's possible to make a custom GCN 1.2 GPU with the same specs as Pitcairn though?
Dark Cloud
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Yeah, there's plenty of options lol. We all have phones and/or tablets with screens on them. It would just be a nice option for those who want a second screen to play some old Wii U games.
I think so. You could still have an "augmented" controller with a free-form display without having to optimize it for remote play like the debunked gimmick suggests. An augmented controller would also be adequate to display the map in Splatoon.
ReyVGM
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It's time.
It's time to make a clean break. I need to close this tab and never open it again. I can't go through another situation like with the Wii & WiiU threads. I don't care if the NX is the same or less as a PS4, it will have Zelda at launch and I'm going to buy the console and the game regardless.
But getting hyped over the potential of the NX using cutting edge tech and then getting a conservative system, that's what kills any enthusiasm one might accrue reading threads like these.
It's time to make a clean break. I need to close this tab and never open it again. I can't go through another situation like with the Wii & WiiU threads. I don't care if the NX is the same or less as a PS4, it will have Zelda at launch and I'm going to buy the console and the game regardless.
But getting hyped over the potential of the NX using cutting edge tech and then getting a conservative system, that's what kills any enthusiasm one might accrue reading threads like these.
Graphics Horse
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Hah, well there's more more elegant designs, Sony make one for clipping a phone to a dualshock.
But if Splatwoo *required* a second screen, it would be something available to all players I think, but my guessis it'll be reworked for tv only as being an option.
I'm stealing this phrase.
edit: I really don't care much for the DS4's touchpad. You could probably just use the analog stick for Mario Maker and not lose much.
I never said there weren't options. I just said it would be interesting to see what they decide to go with if they want to port WiiU games.
No one mentioned Polaris.
That would be painful.
Both.
The quote from the dev was
And the quote in the OP about "polaris like features" and "under the same underlying architecture".
It could very well be a 28nm Tonga or Fiji gpu with Polaris features, but thraktor stated that would be very expensive and they'd be better off just using Polaris.
But never did I say it's a pure Polaris chip.
This may be a T1 source, but this source is the most credible of mine. So although we should all take this as rumors, I'm pretty sure Emily is wrong on this one.
Ok, same concept. That's what i meant.
Awwwwww shit SOURCE WARS
Reminds me of Trev vs. Nintendo World Report. The winner was Trev.
I don't see why. I remember making brawl stages on a grid with the analogue stick, and it worked just fine. I'm sure many other games use this configuration as well. The touchscreen is a luxury not a necessity.
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