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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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I haven't though to ask. Mostly because I don't care
I don't import games because their boxarts don't match, and the ratings logos are different. As a collector that annoys the shit out of me haha.I question myself about what Nintendo told us previous year:
http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/12/0...argeting-20-million-nx-units-shipped-for-2016
It's not believable if we only get a powerful console. It have to be something new and amazing to pull this off.
http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/12/0...argeting-20-million-nx-units-shipped-for-2016
It's not believable if we only get a powerful console. It have to be something new and amazing to pull this off.
Dark Cloud
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Unless like some of think will happen is a console releases in the west and the handheld will release in Japan. Not sure, but if they did that it would help. 20 million is an insane number lol.
I believe Nintendo's forecast at their last investor briefing was 10-12M NX units in one fiscal year.
It was hinted my Iwata that it would need to be something done on new hardware and couldn't just be done on Wii U so I assume it should come.Yeah, I don't either. Just curious.
Yeah, I'm thinking 4-core A53's in the handheld and 8-core A72's in NX.
Despite all my efforts I can't get anything on the cpu type, but in the end it doesn't matter. I would personally prefer ARM.
Mithos
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I haven't though to ask. Mostly because I don't care
Don't even match if you do keep yourself within the region.. all European Limited/Collectors editions have USK rating logos on them, and all the non Limited/Collector editions do not.
Someone posted something by accident I assume lol.
TheLegendOfCap
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Graphics Horse
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Both of you should read the source article. None of this came from Nintendo and Nintendo can only put out forcasts for products they plan to sell during the fiscal year. NX forecasts will happen around the 27th if it's coming this year.
This thread turned into a roach, had two babies, and turned back into a thread.
Then 10k posted more things (14nmFF Polaris and an updated GamePad with Nintendo's take on Remote Play).
Schnozberry
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They gave a forecast at their last investor briefing for hardware sales in the upcoming Fiscal Year.
EDIT: I thought it was an earnings forecast, but it was a Forbes article that reported on a Nintendo filing.
http://fortune.com/2016/02/26/nintendo-cuts-earnings-guidance-by-half/
To get us partially back on topic... 14nm would be pretty cool...? I guess...?
I just have trouble getting into the nitty-gritty hardware talk because it's nearly impossible to conceptualize what it's legitimately capable of, so rumoured developer commentary sits easier.
"Another" new well-specced console? We haven't seen one of those in 10 years, and when we look at said "ongoing trends in the market" since then, like the business need to have multiplat games on everything that can run them to net as many sales as possible, it paints a slightly different picture. The industry isn't where it was when it could exclude a platform on a whim like in the PS2 era, so using the GameCube as some metric of how developers and publishers will treat Nintendo in the modern era has to come with a lot of really serious caveats.
And their relations with 3rd-parties are only measurable from the outside based on games coming to the platform and their dissatisfaction with the Wii and Wii U, but very little is known about their relationships with Nintendo beyond that, so I always look at people quoting "bad 3rd-party relations" and wonder if there's key insider knowledge that has been shared with the public that I missed or how much of it is just conjecture over 3rd-parties not supporting Nintendo's vanity projects on the hardware front with games and no real insight into their publisher relationships.
But since that conjecture is rampant, among other preconceived notions about what Nintendo is and isn't, I can absolutely concede to there being a major mindshare problem with gamers as a whole.
Perhaps it's a poorly communicated response to this understanding of a change in the market. The market isn't in a position to leave money on the floor, so NX will likely at least START with good 3rd-party support. The trick is always how well it's sustained and no one can definitively know that without seeing how it plays out.
It's certainly and absolutely an uphill struggle for Nintendo, painting themselves as ambivalent of market trends or too slow to do anything about them hasn't really put them in a good position. Success will be measured in how much and how quickly they can erode their mindshare problem, which is a really difficult needle to move, but not insurmountable.
The hardware it sounds like they have with NX finally opens doors to talks with 3rd-parties that were previously bricked over by the reality of what the Wii and Wii U were. And unless you think Nintendo is unaware of its problems entirely, somehow doesn't WANT those 3rd-party games or plans to sit on its thumbs and do nothing, I think there's absolutely room to see major improvements on that front, depending on the actuality of where their relationship with publishers is, which none of us truly know.
Are people being over-zealous in their positivity? Sure... but it's equally as silly to say that positivity over the situation somehow means that people expect another Wii situation to happen like you did. Because it doesn't have to be an all-or-nothing proposition.
It's.... beautiful... is everyone hoping that they go down this route?
If the idea is to make handheld games playable on NX, then you're basically charging for a $150-200 peripheral, when the more likely thing to do is to shave costs by using the same touch screen as the handheld to shave costs on the screen and use the cheaper and better developed Miracast boards (which did not really exist when Wii U was manufactured and launched) with proprietary tweaks for latency.
NX seems structured to be less about selling both handheld and console then it is about selling more games that work for both hardware types, which makes them more money than a hardware sale in the long run. So your proposition makes little sense.
Keep the screen in the controller, manage the costs better as mentioned above, don't make it a focal point of development but merely an existing option. Problem solved.
I just have trouble getting into the nitty-gritty hardware talk because it's nearly impossible to conceptualize what it's legitimately capable of, so rumoured developer commentary sits easier.
"Another" new well-specced console? We haven't seen one of those in 10 years, and when we look at said "ongoing trends in the market" since then, like the business need to have multiplat games on everything that can run them to net as many sales as possible, it paints a slightly different picture. The industry isn't where it was when it could exclude a platform on a whim like in the PS2 era, so using the GameCube as some metric of how developers and publishers will treat Nintendo in the modern era has to come with a lot of really serious caveats.
And their relations with 3rd-parties are only measurable from the outside based on games coming to the platform and their dissatisfaction with the Wii and Wii U, but very little is known about their relationships with Nintendo beyond that, so I always look at people quoting "bad 3rd-party relations" and wonder if there's key insider knowledge that has been shared with the public that I missed or how much of it is just conjecture over 3rd-parties not supporting Nintendo's vanity projects on the hardware front with games and no real insight into their publisher relationships.
But since that conjecture is rampant, among other preconceived notions about what Nintendo is and isn't, I can absolutely concede to there being a major mindshare problem with gamers as a whole.
Perhaps it's a poorly communicated response to this understanding of a change in the market. The market isn't in a position to leave money on the floor, so NX will likely at least START with good 3rd-party support. The trick is always how well it's sustained and no one can definitively know that without seeing how it plays out.
It's certainly and absolutely an uphill struggle for Nintendo, painting themselves as ambivalent of market trends or too slow to do anything about them hasn't really put them in a good position. Success will be measured in how much and how quickly they can erode their mindshare problem, which is a really difficult needle to move, but not insurmountable.
The hardware it sounds like they have with NX finally opens doors to talks with 3rd-parties that were previously bricked over by the reality of what the Wii and Wii U were. And unless you think Nintendo is unaware of its problems entirely, somehow doesn't WANT those 3rd-party games or plans to sit on its thumbs and do nothing, I think there's absolutely room to see major improvements on that front, depending on the actuality of where their relationship with publishers is, which none of us truly know.
Are people being over-zealous in their positivity? Sure... but it's equally as silly to say that positivity over the situation somehow means that people expect another Wii situation to happen like you did. Because it doesn't have to be an all-or-nothing proposition.
Make it a perfect rectangle just like the other two and we have a winner.
EDIT: now we're talking!
It's.... beautiful... is everyone hoping that they go down this route?
If the idea is to make handheld games playable on NX, then you're basically charging for a $150-200 peripheral, when the more likely thing to do is to shave costs by using the same touch screen as the handheld to shave costs on the screen and use the cheaper and better developed Miracast boards (which did not really exist when Wii U was manufactured and launched) with proprietary tweaks for latency.
NX seems structured to be less about selling both handheld and console then it is about selling more games that work for both hardware types, which makes them more money than a hardware sale in the long run. So your proposition makes little sense.
Keep the screen in the controller, manage the costs better as mentioned above, don't make it a focal point of development but merely an existing option. Problem solved.
Graphics Horse
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source?
edit: nvm. Yes they have definitely not given any solid figures for beyond last March.
E3. Also I have a hunch if Iwata were around, there would be a Nintendo Direct (date) given around this time...
foxuzamaki
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Your not losing interest, trust me, or else your gonna contradict yourself by E3
Please, provide context!
10k posted on twitter that he had heard that it would be 14nm Polaris, and in another tweet he spoke of a new gamepad-like sollution. He didn't post it on gaf because he did not get confirmation from more sources. So he himself is treating this much more as a "rumor" than whatever "info" is in the OP.
Aaronrules380
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I honestly don't think Iwata being alive right now would change that. I feel like the general NX plans were all in place before Iwata died, which would probably include when to give out details
I don't know about you, but a more efficient low level api based amd architecture is mighty tasty to me right now if it could happen. At the very least nintendo can't use old GCN shit since it will be too hot or use too much power. GCN is proving it's case with DX12 benchmarks coming out in favor or games with heavy compute.
You don't need super performance either as these cards are showing. PS4 is not super performance not even when it released as the 7950/7970 utterly shits on them in real world benchmarks we have in a variety of different specs pc gamers might want. Amd has a made a variety of gpus that if cut down could easily meet what nintendo needs as well. Those same cards are now competing with much beefier 970 in DX12. They only have to beat a 7870+ in punch at best that barely gets you high or ultra setting at 1080p in most games at varying degrees of 30/60fps. This is also a console without the bloat and performance eating windows behnid it which takes about 10-25% of any pc gamers machine for services and the like. There's plenty of room nintendo can get performance based on various things they can do with much better hardware or software. The era of merely measuring for flops is over.
Schnozberry
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I edited my previous post with a link. The 10-12m number came from a digitimes report that had sources within Nintendo's Japanese component suppliers.
They didnt. Its just a random number from digitimes.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1148199
They´ll talk about the nx and make their forecast at their financial result briefing. Just 12 more days.
Graphics Horse
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I would take digitimes reports with a huge pinch of salt. They gave the same 20M unit launch number for ps4 originally too.
Nirolak Pm'd. It's a massive file containing screencaps I had with my sources, and members of techgaf to help me understand stuff (they know who they are). It could take awhile for Nirolak to read and it's Friday so I'm sure he's got better things to do. If I get the go ahead, I'll post it just like last time, take it as rumors and remember I am not the source of said rumors, I am just the messenger.
Of course if you follow my Twitter you likely know most of what I'm going to post (but not all).
Of course if you follow my Twitter you likely know most of what I'm going to post (but not all).
I'm moving to Vegas in 12 days.
COINCIDENCE?!?
yes
It's gonna be pics of you and Kimishima playing NX on bean bag chairs.
Prevolition
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LordOfChaos
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TheGreatMightyPoo
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I doubt that.
Graphics Horse
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Had a look on google ealier, there's about 100 sites around the world reporting on verified neogaf insider 10k's news. I hope this is all going to be worth it!
jhmtehgamr20xx
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It's not gonna happen w/ the console no matter how good it is. The only way they could hit that number is if there's also a handheld on the way. The only other "blue oceans" Nintendo could tap today are costly and expensive, which isn't generally Nintendo's sort of strategy as they don't like losing a bunch of money with each system sold out of the gate.
I mean, in order for them to hit that number w/ just the NX alone they'd need to do something of a magnitude of 3x what PS4 is doing this year, to hit a yearly shipped number PS4 will likely sell-through this year alone.
It's just 100% absolutely not going to happen and people should keep their expectations more realistic on that note. They don't have that kind of clout and momentum, which is a given since the Wii died so suddenly and Wii U pretty much bombed, and that NX is just launching this year :/
Nostremitus
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Could the SCD also broadly describe any type of device connected to the main console that has it's own processors?
If they go with cartridges, that could include supplementary processors on the cartridge itself. Just like they did in the past. Even small SD card sized cartridges could have a small embedded chip on it.
I'm not sure what purpose they could serve, but the possibility is there.
Or maybe it could be an optical drive with an espresso on board that allows Wii U BC (also assuming the console doesn't have an optical drive.
Or, if the console already has an optical drive but also has that cartridge slot, that slot could actually be designed as an expansion slot instead of a game cartridge slot.
They could release a Wii U cartridge with esspresso that allows BC, and then release an upgrade cartridge in the future that essentially adds a second, stronger APU.
If they go with cartridges, that could include supplementary processors on the cartridge itself. Just like they did in the past. Even small SD card sized cartridges could have a small embedded chip on it.
I'm not sure what purpose they could serve, but the possibility is there.
Or maybe it could be an optical drive with an espresso on board that allows Wii U BC (also assuming the console doesn't have an optical drive.
Or, if the console already has an optical drive but also has that cartridge slot, that slot could actually be designed as an expansion slot instead of a game cartridge slot.
They could release a Wii U cartridge with esspresso that allows BC, and then release an upgrade cartridge in the future that essentially adds a second, stronger APU.
Prevolition
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You secretly hope Nintendo is reading this so they unveil it sooner. You're more hyped than ever before. You know it to be trueee.
Trust me, I've never advocated measuring flops for anything substantial.
The question is, doe these APIs even make a difference for consoles? I'd assume that Nintendo's graphics API will be based on Vulkan, but will that truly have any advantage beyond a more familiar and widespread development environment?Thanks. I didn't actually know all of the details.
LordOcidax
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Lol, thats true.
Meesh
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it's already been worth it :3 10k deserves an honourary tag of some kind for the work he's done I think...
Thanks for the pressure. I needed it.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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It's.
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