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AMD RDNA 4 "Radeon RX 8000" GPUs Reportedly Debut In 2025: Navi 48 At CES & Navi 44 In Q2

AMD is reportedly going to launch its next-gen RDNA 4 "Radeon RX 8000 GPUs, primarily the Navi 48 & Navi 44 chips, in the first half of 2025.

wccftech.com

Tl:;dr:
- Navi 48 (top SKU) likely announced at CES in January, launching Q1, around 7900XT performance but lower power consumption for $500 or less

- Navi 44 (entry level) coming Q2

- high end/enthusiast tier is canceled, won’t have a high end GPU til RDNA5

 

[Lagspike_exe]

PS5 Pro is going to be incredible value until 48 launches.

 

[SantaC]

Yes we know this already

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Yes we know this already

Did we? These are the first concrete details I’ve heard of the price and launch date

 

[winjer]

A month ago there were a bunch of news that AMD, Nvidia and Intel had delayed their GPUs to the start of 2025.
I guess this just reiterates the same.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Nvidia dropping new cards this year or no?

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Not sure the value is there to upgrade from a 3080. We'll see though!

 

[Dr.D00p]

But should have much better RT performance than the 7900XT & XTX with the new refreshed dedicated hardware RT silicon, debuting in the PS5 Pro.

 

[VolticArchangel]

Nvidia dropping new cards this year or no?

Was supposed to be this year, till they delayed it to 2025 recently.

Wouldn't be surprised if they launch the 5090 alone as planned and the rest, next year.

 

[SantaC]

Did we? These are the first concrete details I’ve heard of the price and launch date

It's been reported time after time by repuable sources

 

[SolidQ]

RDNA5

RDNA5 will be their biggest uarch stack ever. From low-end to Halo APUs, from $200 to $2000 dGPUs, as well as being used in consoles and datacenter products. (c) Kepler

 

[Celcius]

Sounds like another L for AMD. The only reason most people hope AMD lowers their prices is to force Nvidia to lower theirs, and then they’ll buy Nvidia anyway.

 

[StereoVsn]

Sounds like another L for AMD. The only reason most people hope AMD lowers their prices is to force Nvidia to lower theirs, and then they’ll buy Nvidia anyway.

Let’s face it, Nvidia isn’t lowering jack shit whatever AMD does. They will just redirect production to datacenter/AI hardware if consumer interest is low.

 

[simpatico]

Now we're talking. Go back to the GTX 200 vs HD4000 series pricing and perf and I think you'll see a lot of people tolerate those drivers. Price the 8700XT 16GB at $300 with 4070 Ti perf (non RT) and we can have a nice conversation AMD.

 

[RagnarokIV]

Now we're talking. Go back to the GTX 200 vs HD4000 series pricing and perf and I think you'll see a lot of people tolerate those drivers. Price the 8700XT 16GB at $300 with 4070 Ti perf (non RT) and we can have a nice conversation AMD.

HD4850 was my last AMD GPU! Was a beast at the time and really good pricing.
After that I stuck with nVidia cards, until recently where I'm back with a 7900 XTX I had for a good deal.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Let’s face it, Nvidia isn’t lowering jack shit whatever AMD does. They will just redirect production to datacenter/AI hardware if consumer interest is low.

You think the 4080 Super was $1k out of the goodness of their hearts?

4070 dropped to $550 for no reason at all?

Nvidia absolutely reacts to AMD. As time goes on who knows if that will continue. Nvidia doesn’t really care too much for videogames anymore.

 

[simpatico]

HD4850 was my last AMD GPU! Was a beast at the time and really good pricing.
After that I stuck with nVidia cards, until recently where I'm back with a 7900 XTX I had for a good deal.

AMD needs a new 4870/4850 duo. During that era, anyone building a PC would get those recommended to them. You'd really had to be an enthusiast to go with a 280. Paying double and getting 15-20% extra perf over a 4870. AMD just couldn't carry that momentum. They kept that architecture around for too long and didn't have anything special to finally follow it up. If they had a nice new architecture for the 6780 line, the entire landscape could be different today.

 

[willothedog]

AMD needs a new 4870/4850 duo. During that era, anyone building a PC would get those recommended to them. You'd really had to be an enthusiast to go with a 280. Paying double and getting 15-20% extra perf over a 4870. AMD just couldn't carry that momentum. They kept that architecture around for too long and didn't have anything special to finally follow it up. If they had a nice new architecture for the 6780 line, the entire landscape could be different today.

Those were the good old days of ATi, before the acquisition. Had a Diamond HD4870 myself.

 

[SolidQ]

Price the 8700XT 16GB at $300 with 4070 Ti perf (non RT)

Zero chance for 300$. 500-550 for 7900XT+- perf

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Even if AMD could go back to the HD 7000 series, that would be a big step in the right direction. They need a sizable advantage in at least 2 categories of price, performance, and efficiency. Being at parity will not shape the market, they need to give people a reason to look their way instead of being commoditized while every enthusiast goes Nvidia.

 

[Haint]

People dumb enough to buy this waited 2.5 years to save $200.

 

[RoboFu]

But should have much better RT performance than the 7900XT & XTX with the new refreshed dedicated hardware RT silicon, debuting in the PS5 Pro.

If it gets a rt boost then will be a great card if it's cheap enough.

 

[SoloCamo]

Damnit AMD, I want to upgrade from my 6900XT but this isn't it... At least when the 5700XT launched it beat the prior flagship (Radeon VII) up until 4k res.... I need close to 7900XTX before I bother but realistically I need closer to 4090...

The only way I'll bite is if this is like $299 or $350 which isn't happening. Unless power usage and RT performance is amazing relative to a 7900XT I don't see many buyers...

This hurts and I've been AMD only (due to the price/performance/vram) since 2011.

 

[simpatico]

Zero chance for 300$. 500-550 for 7900XT+- perf

Why even keep the discrete GPU segment in business then? Probably nice just spending the investor money, getting some nice offices and gear for a few years. I get it. The only chance AMD has is just forgoing profits on the discrete consumer GPU division to raise the profile of their name. Use discrete for street cred, make your money on laptops and gaming consoles. eeking out an extra $50 per card isn't gonna help.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

not even for free AMD would gain market share

 

[StereoVsn]

You think the 4080 Super was $1k out of the goodness of their hearts?

4070 dropped to $550 for no reason at all?

Nvidia absolutely reacts to AMD. As time goes on who knows if that will continue. Nvidia doesn’t really care too much for videogames anymore.

I think that was due to their sales numbers overall. It wasn’t really AMD they were responding to (see AMD market share).

And yes, Considering current demand for Nvidia enterprise hardware they don’t really care about gaming. That’s the point, they could use wafer space for non gaming needs easily enough.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Sounds like another L for AMD. The only reason most people hope AMD lowers their prices is to force Nvidia to lower theirs, and then they’ll buy Nvidia anyway.

What actually happens is Nvidia raises their prices and then AMD raises theirs to almost match. Nobody lowers prices anymore because why would they?

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Why will it perform like 7900xt when they already have 7900xtx which performs better??

Can someone explain this to me?

 

[Gaiff]

Why will it perform like 7900xt when they already have 7900xtx which performs better??

Can someone explain this to me?

Price.

 

[AGRacing]

HD4850 was my last AMD GPU! Was a beast at the time and really good pricing.
After that I stuck with nVidia cards, until recently where I'm back with a 7900 XTX I had for a good deal.

I’ve been very happy with my 7900XTX.
It seems like it will have very long legs.

 

[Denton]

I got 3080Ti for $600 almost two years ago.
7900XT for $500 is nice when comparing against new card prices, but second hand market is filled with cheap and fast GPUs. RTX 3080 can be found for $300.

 

[MisterXDTV]

PS5 Pro is going to be incredible value until 48 launches.

PS5 Pro HAS a downclocked Navi 48

It's the main purpose of that chip

 

[BattleScar]

Why even keep the discrete GPU segment in business then? Probably nice just spending the investor money, getting some nice offices and gear for a few years. I get it. The only chance AMD has is just forgoing profits on the discrete consumer GPU division to raise the profile of their name. Use discrete for street cred, make your money on laptops and gaming consoles. eeking out an extra $50 per card isn't gonna help.

Why would they forgo profits for market share? It hasn't worked in the last 15 years so why would it work now? Radeon has had markedly cheaper products than Nvidia for over 20 years and they could never secure more than 50% market share.

Nvidia raked in massive profits while AMD made losses, when both had 50% market share. Where does that profit go? R&D for new architecture and $$$ for better software/drivers.

If PCMR actually gave a shit about price for all these years, maybe things could have been different. But by my observation one of two things happened over the last 20 years.
1) "Wait for Nvidia to drop prices/release their next architecture"
2) "I recommend Radeon, because it's far better value for money, but I myself will get Nvidia because it's about 10% faster"

There were very few of the most discerning enthusiasts who went for the Radeon option, but the majority of the market kept on with Nvidia.

The market decided that it was not price sensitive, only performance sensitive. So here we are.

By the way, neither AMD nor Nvidia really give a shit about graphics or gaming outside of remaining a token presence. Data center and AI make them way more money per mm² of silicon.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Why will it perform like 7900xt when they already have 7900xtx which performs better??

Can someone explain this to me?

AMD cancelled the high end products apparently.

I think these leakers are too optimistic on performance too.

 

[SolidQ]

Why will it perform like 7900xt when they already have 7900xtx which performs better??

Price and faster RT than N31.
There two rumors about raster perfomance 7900XT or between XT and XTX

 

[Lagspike_exe]

PS5 Pro HAS a downclocked Navi 48

It's the main purpose of that chip

Need a source for that.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Need a source for that.

The specs are exactly the same:

64 CUs ( with 4 disabled on PS5 Pro for yields)
256 bit bus
16 GB GDDR6
RDNA4 raytracing

Only the clocks are different because a console is power-limited by definition compared to a discrete GPU

 

[sendit]

AMD needs to take a cycle off and rethink their whole strategy for GPUs (specifically supporting AI technologies). At this rate, Intel will catch up.

 

[Xyphie]

The specs are exactly the same:

64 CUs ( with 4 disabled on PS5 Pro for yields)
256 bit bus
16 GB GDDR6
RDNA4 raytracing

Only the clocks are different because a console is power-limited by definition compared to a discrete GPU

Not really true, the PS5 Pro seems significantly stripped down. N48 is rumored to be a 4 shader engine design while the Pro GPU has a weird 2 SE design (the most similar thing is the XSX actually). Nothing in the PS5 Pro documents suggests any kind of L3 cache while N48 should have 64 MB. Processs nodes could end up being different etc.

N48 should be a better GPU by a decent margin if the rumored specs are correct. N48 should be better than a 7800XT while the Pro GPU is probably more in the ~3070 Ti/7700XT/RX 6800 range (raster perf).

 

[Panajev2001a]

AMD needs to take a cycle off and rethink their whole strategy for GPUs (specifically supporting AI technologies). At this rate, Intel will catch up.

https://chipsandcheese.com/2024/06/25/testing-amds-giant-mi300x/ (worth a read actually)

I think they do not get as much credit as they should; they do bring very cool technology together from all the fields they have invested in so far.
They do make AI specialised chips, they make gaming GPUs, compute GPUs, all in one SoCs, desktop / tablet / data centre CPUs, etc…

The problem is software killer apps and dev ecosystem for such software and tools.

 

[GreatnessRD]

RDNA4 is just a placeholder. Good to see 7900 XT levels of performance for cheaper, I guess. Even though you can get that with the OC'ing of the 7900 GRE they say these days.

We all must hope the light finally comes on with RDNA5OON™

 

[Starbuck2907]

I’ve always had AMD/Radeon cards. They’re cheaper. I usually go midrange.

I’ve never had driver issues either.

Next year, I’ll go with whatever card will give me the best value/performance at 1080p with upscaking, ray tracing, and frame generation.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Been thinking more about this and if AMD can offer a reasonably fast card at a good price then I might bite and make the jump to AMD from my 3080. I can't support paying over £1500 for a GPU and if this forces Nvidia to become more competitive in the gaming space, I'm all for it.

 

[TheRaidenPT]

Well I bought the 7900XTX on Prime Day.. Guess I'm sorted?

 

[Leonidas]

7900 XT is already only a $649-$659 card, it can't be that much cheaper.

If this card comes in at $500, I wouldn't call it much cheaper. They will have only improved price/performance by 30% from today, in a next-gen product, at least 6 months from now. That's good compared to what we got in this gen of GPUs (depending how pricing shakes out over the next 6 months), but historically, not great.

I'm hoping Nvidia can offer near 4080 performance with the 5070, but much cheaper... cheapest RTX 4080 I saw is $960 today, if 5070 comes in at $600-$650, that would be something I would say is much cheaper, and would represent a much bigger price/performance jump from today.

 

[Tqaulity]

The specs are exactly the same:

64 CUs ( with 4 disabled on PS5 Pro for yields)
256 bit bus
16 GB GDDR6
RDNA4 raytracing

Only the clocks are different because a console is power-limited by definition compared to a discrete GPU

*Disclaimer: PS5 Pro specs are still only based on rumors until Sony makes an official announcement

Exactly. Everyone on here is still talking about the Pro being ~7700XT based on the (unconfirmed) leaked specs and it makes no sense. Everything about the leaked specs point to a card that is more powerful than a 7700XT (I've already broken this down on the PS5 Pro thread). The GPU config is most closely matched to a Navi48 and even with the 7% reduction in shaders and assuming a 10-20% reduction in clocks, that should still put it's performance between a 7800XT and 7900GRE (assuming the NAVI 48 is >= a 7900XT).

Keep in mind that a 7900XT is ~25-30% faster than a 7800XT and a 7800XT is ~20-25% faster than a 7700XT. In other words, a 7900XT is over 50% faster than 7700XT. Now in what world would Sony take a GPU and gimp it to the point of reducing it's performance by that much for yields and power limitations?! That has never happened in any console generation. 20%? Maybe. >30% not likely!

 

[asdasdasdbb]

7900 XT is already only a $649-$659 card, it can't be that much cheaper.

If this card comes in at $500, I wouldn't call it much cheaper. They will have only improved price/performance by 30% from today, in a next-gen product, at least 6 months from now. That's good compared to what we got in this gen of GPUs, but historically, not great.

It's probably not 7900 XT performance in raster games, maybe in RT. Yeah I think it'll be $500.

I'm hoping Nvidia can offer near 4080 performance with the 5070, but much cheaper... cheapest RTX 4080 I saw is $960 today, if 5070 comes in at $600-$650, that would be something I would say is much cheaper, and would represent a much bigger price/performance jump from today.

Unlikely. I think 4070 Ti Super is the best you could hope for and $650 is probably optimistic too but maybe.

You know, come to think of it, N48 and the 5070 could be pretty close in performance in raster. AMD charging $500 while nVidia charges $700 sounds about right, huh?

Keep in mind that a 7900XT is ~25-30% faster than a 7800XT and a 7800XT is ~20-25% faster than a 7700XT. In other words, a 7700XT is <50% of the performance of a 7900XT. Now in what world would Sony take a GPU and gimp it to the point of reducing it's performance by more than 50% for yields and power limitations?! That has never happened in any console generation. 20%? Maybe. 50% no way!

To get it to fit in the Slim case, yeah...

 

[Leonidas]

*Disclaimer: PS5 Pro specs are still only based on rumors until Sony makes an official announcement

Exactly. Everyone on here is still talking about the Pro being ~7700XT based on the (unconfirmed) leaked specs and it makes no sense. Everything about the leaked specs point to a card that is more powerful than a 7700XT (I've already broken this down on the PS5 Pro thread). The GPU config is most closely matched to a Navi48 and even with the 7% reduction in shaders and assuming a 10-20% reduction in clocks, that should still put it's performance between a 7800XT and 7900GRE (assuming the NAVI 48 is >= a 7900XT).

Keep in mind that a 7900XT is ~25-30% faster than a 7800XT and a 7800XT is ~20-25% faster than a 7700XT. In other words, a 7700XT is <50% of the performance of a 7900XT. Now in what world would Sony take a GPU and gimp it to the point of reducing it's performance by more than 50% for yields and power limitations?! That has never happened in any console generation. 20%? Maybe. 50% no way!

Make Sony's purported 45% uplift make sense to me then.

That piddly (for a mid-gen upgrade) 45% uplift is why people (like me) say it will perform like a 7700XT (in raster).

 

[Gaiff]

Keep in mind that a 7900XT is ~25-30% faster than a 7800XT and a 7800XT is ~20-25% faster than a 7700XT. In other words, a 7700XT is <50% of the performance of a 7900XT. Now in what world would Sony take a GPU and gimp it to the point of reducing it's performance by more than 50% for yields and power limitations?! That has never happened in any console generation. 20%? Maybe. 50% no way!

That's false though. The 7700 XT isn't less than 50% of the performance of the 7900 XT. It's around 60-65%. That's quite a bit above what you're suggesting.

 

[PSlayer]

I remember moore law is dead saying months ago that RDNA4 was not scaling well and they were going to cancel the top tier ones. Welp,at least the price will be fine.