liquidspeed
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and how many games still run at less than 720P on 360 and PS3?TheVampire said:
Rumor: Xbox 3 = 6-core CPU, 2GB of DDR3 Main RAM, 2 AMD GPUs w/ Unknown VRAM, At CES
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Shadow of the BEAST
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Diablohead said:
no they didnt. 512 was alot back then and the natural upgrade compared to previous generations. 8 times the memory of xbox and 16 times that of ps2. Huge upgrade
2gb or 4 times the memory in 12, 13 or 14 is pathetic.
Psychotext
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Oh yay, we're at the part of the gen where people start unearthing random rumours about next gen machines.
Likely the only part of this that's right is that Microsoft is indeed working on a new xbox.
Likely the only part of this that's right is that Microsoft is indeed working on a new xbox.
Even if release date is 2013. Somehow I don't feel sure that gamers have the money to pay for a new machine that is 399 + .Even 299 is too much for most of the people. Let's not forget that 90% of COD players are little kids. I doubt they have 500 bucks lying on the side of their beds.
Sony is in even trickier position compared to MS. How big leap PS4 has to be over PS3 to make sense? On top of that how expensive will it be? Just imagine 599 console in this economy, which will most likely get even worse, both in USA and EU(look at the crisis around Greece and soon 3rd largest economy in EU - Italy. European Union is in danger)
Hard times.
Sony is in even trickier position compared to MS. How big leap PS4 has to be over PS3 to make sense? On top of that how expensive will it be? Just imagine 599 console in this economy, which will most likely get even worse, both in USA and EU(look at the crisis around Greece and soon 3rd largest economy in EU - Italy. European Union is in danger)
Hard times.
Going by 8x increase of memory from xbox to x360 the 4GB would have been the expected memory amount if Xloop would have been released a year ago..
If it will be released in winter of 2012 with 2GB of main/unified memory and some embedded ram on GPU, it will be a disapointment.
2GB means that we can forget about games which would push envelope in terms of lots of AI entities and world interaction.
I would have loved a proper sandbox game with persistent world where stuff actually does happen outside players field of view.
Well, perhaps the next gen kinect games are good then..
If it will be released in winter of 2012 with 2GB of main/unified memory and some embedded ram on GPU, it will be a disapointment.
2GB means that we can forget about games which would push envelope in terms of lots of AI entities and world interaction.
I would have loved a proper sandbox game with persistent world where stuff actually does happen outside players field of view.
Well, perhaps the next gen kinect games are good then..
Nuclear Muffin
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[Nintex] said:
Well, historically Nintendo like to show off new stuff at GDC; so I would expect something new about the Wii U in March (final hardware/controller design, online plans detailed etc - but the games themselves won't be shown until E3 2012 I reckon)
Diprosalic
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question for the tech guys:
a good gaming PC is way more powerful than an xbox we all know that, but they are limited by xbox ports, if the new xbox comes out and has better graphics can the PC just match it because it had power to spare?
a good gaming PC is way more powerful than an xbox we all know that, but they are limited by xbox ports, if the new xbox comes out and has better graphics can the PC just match it because it had power to spare?
It's not really about what you show but you have to keep it in the media. It could be as simple as having Sakurai's cat sleep on one to get it in the news. Just, you know 'anything'. Games would certainly be a plus but tech demo's are also a possibility, third party multiplatform games being announced. Like when Ubi dropped the Assassins Creed III announcement, Nintendo should've stepped in with a PR saying: "Ubisoft's multi-billion dollar franchise hitting Wii U in 2012!" just keep the name out there. MS will blow up every small detail about this new device.Nuclear Muffin said:
Nuclear Muffin said:
I dunno. I think Nintendo rushed to show Wii U. They probably hear a lot more stuff then we will ever hear. Wii U E3 demo was so dry and looked so early. That Zelda demo, was just tech demo. I know I heard the guy from Nintendo in one of youtube vids say something like "This is just to give you a perspective of how it would look". So that means that either they haven't even started working on new Zelda, or it is very very early.
Sony did something similar with Sorcery. Almost two years went by and now they say it will be shown in December.
And that is much smaller project then a Zelda game.
I think Wii U is in awkward situation.
McHuj
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Theorizing on the hexacore CPU.
If true, I'll speculate that it's an evolution of the 360's process and allowing for backwards compatibility. It'll be much more efficient, probably clocked higher (3.6 GHz), and each core capable of 2-4 threads, finally, one full core maybe dedicated to the OS.
I always thought the total system RAM would be around 4GB. Since everybody talks about software services, social media, etc I wouldn't be surprised if there were around 256-512 MB reserved for the OS this time.
If true, I'll speculate that it's an evolution of the 360's process and allowing for backwards compatibility. It'll be much more efficient, probably clocked higher (3.6 GHz), and each core capable of 2-4 threads, finally, one full core maybe dedicated to the OS.
I always thought the total system RAM would be around 4GB. Since everybody talks about software services, social media, etc I wouldn't be surprised if there were around 256-512 MB reserved for the OS this time.
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They must be aiming for a $350-$450 console. They cannot go overboard with RAM because it's one of the most expensive components of a system, and I'm taking about XDR and the likes, not the ones we normally use on the PC. 2GB is quite enough, and I'll assume they will go with a fast drive this time, so it should be a potent combo. Same goes for Sony's console. MS should be looking at a long product life cycle, so the specs shouldn't be disappointing.Shadow of the BEAST said:
Nuclear Muffin
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[Nintex] said:
Yeah I agree that they should say something, but they might not be ready to say anything yet (details not finalised, no games to show or talk about etc) That kind of stuff should be ready by March if they plan to release in November 2012 (and GDC of course gets plenty of coverage)
Tecmo did just mention that NG3 Razor's Edge was going to be a Wii U launch title, so it's not like they're holding everything back...
Globox_82 said:
And you're right, the Wii U was shown very very early, far earlier than any previous Nintendo console and they even admitted as much (done to generate developer interest). The stuff shown at E3 2011 was nowhere near ready. Typically they would only show off a new console about 8 months or so before launch, that's why I'm saying that they might just simply not be ready to show anything else yet.
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If the next generation of hardware isn't very similar to what the current HD platforms offer, noone is going to support it.
There's absolutely no way that development can shoulder the cost of developing concurrently on potentially *5* different multi-core platforms. Even assuming heavy code/asset reuse across the systems its simply too much for all but the heaviest of heavy-hitters to handle.
Porting 360<->PS3 is bad enough, but imagine how much more complex it gets when the next gen hits properly. This time around noones hardware is selling so poorly that their owners can afford to abandon it and throw all their weight behind their "next big thing".
What MS did with XBOX was painful, but historically speaking absolutely the right decision because of the size of their install-base compared to Sony's. I cannot comprehend them abandoning the 360 to the mercy of the third-parties in the same way, so, at least for the first couple of years of their next offerings life they will need to keep 360 propped-up while they build-up/transition their marketshare.
Sony are in the same boat too. PS3 has underperformed but not to the extent that its such a hot potato that they can afford to drop it.
My expectation for the next gen is basically more of the same, with minor improvements by way of ram size and gpu power.
There's absolutely no way that development can shoulder the cost of developing concurrently on potentially *5* different multi-core platforms. Even assuming heavy code/asset reuse across the systems its simply too much for all but the heaviest of heavy-hitters to handle.
Porting 360<->PS3 is bad enough, but imagine how much more complex it gets when the next gen hits properly. This time around noones hardware is selling so poorly that their owners can afford to abandon it and throw all their weight behind their "next big thing".
What MS did with XBOX was painful, but historically speaking absolutely the right decision because of the size of their install-base compared to Sony's. I cannot comprehend them abandoning the 360 to the mercy of the third-parties in the same way, so, at least for the first couple of years of their next offerings life they will need to keep 360 propped-up while they build-up/transition their marketshare.
Sony are in the same boat too. PS3 has underperformed but not to the extent that its such a hot potato that they can afford to drop it.
My expectation for the next gen is basically more of the same, with minor improvements by way of ram size and gpu power.
Nuclear Muffin
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nib95 said:
Does not compute. DDR3 is absolute shit for a new console (the 360 uses GDDR3!)
I would expect nothing less than GDDR5 in a new console in 2012.
In terms of using memory it still is, I have yet to see a game on consoles with ~100-1000 AI entities which interact with each others in a game world.Drkirby said:
Fps games are easy as you have simple task for the AI, look good and something like a soldier until gamer kills you.
In games like skyrim the AI has to ge a lot more complex and if the game would strive for simulated world it would need thousands of entities simulated continuously.
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mocoworm said:
What disk format would that be, that can be bigger than blue ray? (don't know this area at all)
mocoworm said:
It has more to do with the Entertainment aspect than the Gaming one. If they're going to advertise themselves still as the leading entertainment device (with all this new TV streaming, Netflix, etc.) they would look foolish for not having something as basic as a Blu-Ray drive.
gundamkyoukai
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mocoworm said:
Where are these discs that bigger than blu ray ?
Also what factories make them.
ZombieFred said:
I know this is not the disc but here is an example of a higher capacity 400gb 16 layer disc:
http://n4g.com/news/240413/edge-bigger-than-blu-ray-new-400gb-disc-could-be-ps3-compatible
Globox_82 said:
Yeah, sorry. Over-reaction. It would kill disc based piracy.
deathkiller
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I think that he refers to the 6800, the Nvidia deal was announced much before the PS3 launch and before the 7700/7800s were on the market so the comparison was with two 6800.Rad Agast said:
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