The Faceless Master
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i was really hoping for 24MB EDRAM and 3-4GB GDDR5
Rumor: Xbox 3 = 6-core CPU, 2GB of DDR3 Main RAM, 2 AMD GPUs w/ Unknown VRAM, At CES
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Well, such a comparison is completely pointless with respect to the real world because we know absolutely nothing about either consoles. Secondly, these specs are really superficial as well. Supposing the Wii U is tri-core, 1GB and one AMD GPU, and the Xbox 720 is hexacore, 2GB and two AMD GPUs, and everything else is similar (RAM type, CPU/GPU architecure, of which we have no clue), I think it's something like this:RedSwirl said:
Wii U:
Xbox 720:
So about twice as powerful in every way.
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GlamFM said:
Seriously?
Blu-ray movies now have significant market penetration, particularly within the hardcore gamer demographic; putting a blu-ray player on the new Xbox allows MS to attack the PS3 market share, which by the time this generation is over will be approximately the same as MS's on current trends.
They're marketing the Xbox brand towards an multimedia device; do you think the can credibly call the next Xbox this without bluray playback capabilities?
lunchwithyuzo
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There's nothing about split memory in the rumor.onQ123 said:
subversus said:
This could be true. Yo uwouldn't use DDR 3 for the gpu. So the 2GB would be system ram to use for CPU code and the OS . That be 4 times the amount for just cpu and OS dutys vs the total amount the 360 has.
Then they would use GDR 5 or XDR ram for the gpu . I would think another 2 gigs for this , its currently what the highend amd gpu's use and my radeon 6950 with 2 gigs of ram doesn't have frame buffer issues even though i game at 5760x1080p. So i doubt a 1920x1080p format would have memory issues . Once again you'd have a total of 4 times the total system ram just for the cpu.
The 6 core cpu doesn't come as a surprise either . The original xbox 360 used the xenon/waternoose cpu which was 3 core 6 thread cpu back in 2005 , it was around 162m tranistors. Even if we double everything on the cpu you'd have a 6 core 12 thread cpu at 324 m transistors .
To give you an idea compared to other processors .
Intel's clarkdale 2 core cpu is 384m tranistors.
Intel lynfield 4 core is 774m tranistors
Amd thuban 6 core is 904m tranistors
Sanybridge 4 core is 995M tranistors .
bulldozer is 8 cores 2B tranistors
So it is possible to go with a 6 core cpu.
It's pretty obvious, isn't it? 4GB requires twice as many chips, twice as much space and consumes twice as much power as 2GB. The biggest chips are 4Gbit, which means you'd need four chips for 2GB or eight chips for 4GB. And the board would be more complex as well - in the end, using 4GB is far more than twice as expensive as using 2GB. It's by no means a linear increase.AshMcCool said:
metareferential
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So 2gb+2gb, it can't be bad.
We're still bound to 512 or 256+256. It's a massive step forward anyway.
We're still bound to 512 or 256+256. It's a massive step forward anyway.
CoffeeExpress
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6 cores? pffft ps3 has 8
edit: also love the console comparisons to dragon ball z characters. this should be done more often.
edit: also love the console comparisons to dragon ball z characters. this should be done more often.
They do, the upgrade of the 360 disk format was just the last stretch. They need bigger disks and looking at software sales for the Xbox 360 compared to digital distribution platforms, MS has no reason to not sell games like Halo, FIFA, Call of Duty 9, Assassins Creed III, Madden etc. in stores. Having all those games on store shelves is also free advertising.-Winnie- said:
specialguy
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Dragon said:
Yeah, it's called GDDR5.
Those are basically the options. DDR3 can only really be used as a cache/system RAM, it's not nearly fast enough for video.
DDR3+GDDR5 (VRAM) is feasible, DDR3 alone is not.
I've made up my mind. This is a stupid rumor.
Why would MS change from such a nice unified memory architecture that they have in the 360 to split memory in the Xbox 3?
Why go for 2 GPUs? It's not like they can put 500 Watts of GPU capacity in a console-sized enclosure anyways...
Why would MS change from such a nice unified memory architecture that they have in the 360 to split memory in the Xbox 3?
Why go for 2 GPUs? It's not like they can put 500 Watts of GPU capacity in a console-sized enclosure anyways...
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Bluray players cost $50 bucks now . I doubt being able to play back blurays is important in 2012 just like i doubt playing back dvds was importatn in 2005
I would think MS would go with their own format if it makes busniess sense . Bluray is damn slow honestly . 1x transfers at 4.5MBs . 12x is only 54MB/s but that would be damn loud
I'd perfer MS to go with flash ram carts. THey would be small , just a bit bigger than a ds cart .
Currently SD performs at 30MB/s and will only go up in speed over the next generation of consoles , some tests show new 22nm flash hitting over 70MB/s speed. They can also go with a raid 0 chip and combine two flash nands to double the speed.
The negatives would be cost. Your looking at most likely 3-4 dollars per 16 gigs right now. Thats still double what a 360 disc can hold .
The postives would be speed . You increase transfer rates and decrease seek times over a disc. You also have no moving parts so you reduce failure rate. You also get to free up alot of room in the console for no longer needing a huge disc drive . You also reduce the price of the console by the disc drive cost .
consoles are still in the Frieza saga?DCKing said:Well, such a comparison is completely pointless with respect to the real world because we know absolutely nothing about either consoles. Secondly, these specs are really superficial as well. Supposing the Wii U is tri-core, 1GB and one AMD GPU, and the Xbox 720 is hexacore, 2GB and two AMD GPUs, and everything else is similar (RAM type, CPU/GPU architecure, of which we have no clue), I think it's something like this:
Wii U:
Xbox 720:
So about twice as powerful in every way.
Something about the Infinity hardware division rings a bell.
Halo Glasslands spoiler ahoy :
Halo Glasslands spoiler ahoy :
Infinity is the name of the new UNSC ship that incorporates Forerunner technology, considering the importance of Halo in selling Xboxs it's not a coincidence, so masterfull trolling or fan service
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-Winnie- said:
Yeah, good luck streaming at 1080p...
So you think no games will exceed 9.4 GB next generation?
Btw, Sony is a member of DVD Format Licensing Corporation, has MS ever had a problem with paying royalties for a DVD license?
eastmen said:
No, it makes absolutely no business sense. It only makes sense to somebody who wants MS to engage in another pissing contest with Sony.
Yeah, of all things wrong with current generation hardware, the read speed of the optical drives is what everybody is complaining about.
Limanima said:
Some people believe that getting member status is some kind of accomplishment and that they were reviewed with a fine tooth comb before losing the junior status, when in fact it just means you survived the junior window without doing something retarded that singles you out.
don't take it personally
I am totally ready for a new next gen console, no interest in the Wii-U as I just feel it is Nintendo's way of trying to get some of the third party pie without really doing anything else of merit.
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The Faceless Master said:
Well EDRAM people tend to be nuts so I hate to encourage it, but they can actually do a whole lot better than 24MB of EDRAM.
360=90nm=10mb
Assuming perfect scaling, in the same die area 360 dedicated to EDRAM:
65nm=20mb
40nm=40mb
28nm=80mb
I think you get the picture, thats alotta EDRAM.
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The market is completely transitioning away from Blu-Ray technology towards affordable streaming alternatives. Only reason Blu-Ray would be necessary is for storage purposes.Para bailar La Bomba said:
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Pretty stupid more like, unless they've figured out how to eliminate micro stuttering. This would make me so fucking angry if it turned out to be true.RoboPlato said:
Which it won't. Dual gpus uses too much power and is too wasteful with ram to make any sense at all in a console. That's ignoring the microstutter issue.
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Sure it can. For a different price and in a different box. Wii U's R700-based GPU alone can be improved a lot by going with the latest DX11 28nm technology. 3 cores are what 360 had back in 2005 thus at current production technology they can easily go with 6 or even more if they choose PowerPC or ARM as their ISA. They can even go with x86 Atoms ffs and pack like 16 of them in one chip -- not that I think that will happen but from technical point of view it's possible.DCKing said:
Nintendo is clearly aiming at making a small quiet console which will be sold near it's production costs and will allow them to make money off hardware in less than a year. Plus it looks like they're trying to maintain binary compatibility with NGC/Wii on CPU level (which I think is very smart). This limits them in what they can put inside it. MS and SCE will go much further than Ninitendo because it makes little sense for them not to - a small Wii U-like upgrade won't be that different from their current offerings.
Cumulative bandwidth plus the ability to use slower (cheaper) RAM where speed doesn't matter much. I mean, there are reasons for this. But still it sounds pretty shady.jonremedy said:
Xenos is 2 GPUs: a "shader core" and a "smart memory core". 2 GPUs doesn't mean CF or SLI, it just means that two chips will be handling graphics. So it's possible to.jonremedy said:
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IF wiiu has a 4 core cpu i dont really know how a 6 core will be hugely more powerful...it depends on so many factors...
DeaconKnowledge said:
unless you live in Canada ; (
Most canadian's download limits are crimially small, our regulatory body is in the pocket of the major telco's. Instead of innovating in order to compete with Netflix and the like they make it so the average joe cannot even use it
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onQ123 said:
Niveau CPU, il sagirait dun hexa-core disposant de 2Go de DDR3, et notre source nous a également parlé dun prototype de double GPU AMD. Nous navons pas pu connaitre la RAM.wsippel said:
That's their exact statement on the hardware specifications.
lunchwithyuzo
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It's unspecific in the original rumor, they didn't say if their source even implied dedicated VRAM or not. The VG247 post makes no mention of VRAM whatsoever either, people are speculating there's VRAM due to the low amount of relatively slow memory in the rumor (2GB DDR3). Also, nowhere in either article was the memory that was revealed referred to as "Main RAM".onQ123 said:
wsippel said:
Yeah, I meant more in relativity to the whole system. Asked the question wrong. How much of an issue is twice the ram in percentage in all those categories. Really relevant enough to warrant not just going for the bigger package? I don't remember consumer ram having that much wattage for example.
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jonremedy said:
Yes exactly, GPU's are inherently parallel anyway. Unlike CPU's, having more of them gains you no intrinsic advantage. You are better off just making one, twice as "wide".
In PC's, dual GPU is for a couple of things. An upgrade path, buy one now, another later (doesn't apply to console obviously). And mainly giving more performance than any single GPU can provide.
The latter doesn't apple to console either, because the highest end single GPU's of the time will already certainly be more powerful than whats in next gen consoles when they release, as they always have been. Unless MS is planning an extremely expensive extremely monstrously powerful box, and I'm almost certain nobody will do that.
It's dumb to even discuss this dual GPU thing, it's such a non starter.
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Anyway, what is it with french press and system leaks? You'd think Nintendo/MS would have Ubi on a tighter leash? 
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It really doesn't seem like that people really need to have 1080p when watching a movie, and if they want it, Blu-ray players are fairly cheap already now. I reckon if they wanted to join the Blu-ray bandwagon, they would've released a BD drive for the 360 by now.
Oh, I definitely reckon they'll exceed that limit, but I just don't see Microsoft supporting Blu-ray. There seemed to be a lot of bad blood after the format battle. If anything, maybe they'll have their own proprietary version of it and give it a new name.
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lunchwithyuzo said:
Except that only DDR3 is impossible to build a console with. It's not enough bandwidth.
So, if there's no mention of any other RAM that is proof the rumor is false.
Globox_82 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB5AugdCl4M
Its not the launch event but its the intro video they did for it. Maybe someone has a link to the event?
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JGS said:
no one will sell a console for more than $399.
The Albatross
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I don't believe that they'd reveal the next X-Box at anything other than E3 or a private event, not CES next to a bunch of smartphones.
specialguy
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lunchwithyuzo said:Anyway, what is it with french press and system leaks? You'd think Nintendo/MS would have Ubi on a tighter leash?
This is not a real leak.
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lunchwithyuzo said:Anyway, what is it with french press and system leaks? You'd think Nintendo/MS would have Ubi on a tighter leash?
A French Press makes delicious coffee.
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