Mr.Squirrel
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I'm sorry but no. $600 consoles will not sell. The economy is worse than it was in 2006, the masses is not going to pay that type of money for a MS/Sony system, RROD or not.
Rumor: Xbox 3 = 6-core CPU, 2GB of DDR3 Main RAM, 2 AMD GPUs w/ Unknown VRAM, At CES
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I'm sorry but no. $600 consoles will not sell. The economy is worse than it was in 2006, the masses is not going to pay that type of money for a MS/Sony system, RROD or not.
which1spink
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[Nintex];32907219 said:
Nice find! I'm pretty sure most of the rumors will turn out to be true or at least the ones predicting the unveiling and the release.
bgassassin
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It's like every person that says this has no clue why Dreamcast failed.
Shin Johnpv
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It's like people forget that Sega stopped making the Dreamcast because they ran out of monye. Plus they had been bleeding money for like 13 years straight and were coming off the failure of the 32x and Saturn (hey I love my Saturn but it didn't do well). They had actually sold a fair amount of Dreamcasts when Sega stopped producing them.
Because that situation is just like Nintendo whose got a shit ton of money in the bank, have had their first lose quarter in decades mostly due to currency exchange issues, and are coming off their most successful home system in years.
OMG History is just repeat itself.......................................................................
bgassassin
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I could have sworn Saturn was the #1 selling console during its generation. Guess I'm wrong.
Genesis Knight
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specialguy
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As I recall currency issues accounted for less than 50% of their loss, just to be factually correct.
Shin Johnpv
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http://www.techzone360.com/topics/t...endo-sees-925-million-net-loss-first-half.htm
According to this article 687 million of the 925 million were due to currency issues. That would be roughly 75%, which is more than 50%, just to be factually correct.
2012 prophets are ignoring everything that is going on
you mean the same generation when the PS1 sold over 100 million consoles?
bgassassin
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Erebus
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Sony: it would be "undesirable" for PS4 to launch significantly later than the competition
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...unch-significantly-later-than-the-competition
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...unch-significantly-later-than-the-competition
Hiro_Kunimi_80
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pr0cs
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I hope not.
I never understood why Microsoft didn't tie the 360 closer to the PC, making it a logical extension for your pc. What I really wanted was remote desktop from your xbox to your PC and better media center integration.
After seeing the disaster of a browser that the PS3 has I would rather microsoft just leverage it's PC tech instead so I could decide what was the best way to browse rather than some half assed implementation.
no because the future is in apps
That's the joke.
I see you was making a joke out of the people saying that the Wii U is going to get dreamcasted.
higherARC05
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Neither X360 was announced at E3 2005...
I wonder how Microsoft will reveal the Next-XBOX. We have all seen how they done big events for games and Kinect the past couple of years. Imagine who and where will be involved in it.
I see justin beiber hugging the console tightly and singing "baby baby baby ooooo.."
specialguy
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So it will be at CES? Care to bet any money on that? LOL.
It will not be at CES or launch in 2012, period. There's zero chance. But at least CES we can confirm GAF is wrong sooner at least on that specific point. It will obviously take longer to "prove" xbox next isn't launching in 12, I'm sure some will carry hope up til E3.
Care to place bets? It's coming in the same calendar year that Windows 8 is launching.
Ballmer: "We at Microsoft will roll out Windows 8 this year, allowing for full integration along our product lines."
Crowd: "So what about Xbox Steve?"
Ballmer: "Because people want to play the same COD game every year we've decided to shelf that untill 2014."
Crowd: "What about the next-gen R&D, the MGS Vancouver launch title, Kudo's team labeled "Kudo's NextGen Team", multiple startups with no products released as of yet, the courier team working on the next Xbox, the development of the AMD Graphics Next Gen Core that MS played a part in and the games the third parties are working on because they believed those devkits would actually end up into an actual product?"
Ballmer: "We like wasting money and pissing off strategic partners."
Hiro_Kunimi_80
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higherARC05
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But with the recent 360 update that basically is win8 on a XBOX whats the rush to put a new XBOX with win8?
I just don't see why Microsoft will go through the trouble with all the updates coming to 360 soon like tv, youtube, etc when a new XBOX is around the corner if that is planned.
2013 is my safest bet.
It's not Win 8, just a prototype of its interface. 2013 is the PS4.
specialguy
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Hmm, well I went back to see where the problem was because I specifically remembered this, and it seem to be the loss was less than half of the loss in "ordinary income"
Nintendo reduced their loss (net income) with future tax credits and such, but of course the exchange loss stayed the same. I dont know, I'll say we're both right. All getting off topic, anyway.
Although the post I was replying to did specify "quarter", and all these results are referring to a half year because thats what Nintendo reports, as well.
higherARC05
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Still doesn't negate why go through all the trouble of putting these updates on the 360 when if the Next-XBOX is coming soon. They would of saved these updates for the new console so it would add value and justification to buying it.
bgassassin
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I'm not shocked to see this. My personal prediction is that all three consoles will be released in at least one market before E3 2013.
Exactly. PS4 or Xbox3 could very well be the #1 console next gen, but even if they did there are nowhere near enough factors in place for Wii U to "fail" like Dreamcast. And I put fail in quotes since the console by its own merits wasn't the cause of its failure.
Why bother releasing Win 7 when its fundamental core (which was Vista) was fine after SP2?
64 if it's based on Bulldozer, 64 if it's IBM, and 987.2 if it's based on unicorn dust like many in this thread would have you believe.
I disagree. An ipad is just as much a toy as a current consoles. A modern console could offer far more uses.
Anyone that views a tablet as a full computer I fully disagree with. They are the definition of toy.
Why can't both enjoy the new interface/features?
I'm sure there will be tricks only the next Gen system can pull off, let alone the increase in horses. Companies should bridge between products, not start a new road across the river and expect consumers to swim.
diffusionx
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They're more useful than a console. And they've only gotten more useful over time as companies develop more apps, design tablet-friendly websites, etc.
I've used my iPad with my professional examination work - studying, taking online tests and modules, etc. In fact, I was doing just that a couple nights ago. But hey, think whatever you want.
edit: there is no way a videogame maker can get away with tablet-style pricing, unless it's Kindle Fire-style pricing. I mean, seriously. lol.
Let me preface this post by stating that I agree with you. Tablets are near-useless as a computing device, and I own one.
That said... there is a large, distinct difference in the purchase of an ipad than a gaming console. Charlequin's posts are more than clear enough about this distinction.
A $599 console would be a clusterfuck, and a $499 console would be a disaster. Subsidizing those costs would make it even worse for the console makers (especially Sony, currently).
I own an ipad2. Want me to turn this into a chart war of what people use tablets for?
Also you expect new consoles at $199? They will be $399a minimum.
charlequin
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It is possible for me to apply extremely basic reasoning based on past experience and knowledge of the industry and thereby come to extremely solid conclusions about this sort of thing, yes. I know what an actual computer is capable of app-wise, how much immense work it's been for tablets to approximate that (to the degree that there's still only one single successful tablet despite years and billions of dollars of effort on the part of other vendors), and how many trade-offs general-purpose computing has with dedicated game performance (that being the entire reason game consoles were invented in the first place.)
I also know that Microsoft in particular are strongly disinterested in duplicating computer functionality with their console, have avoided including a web browser or anything resembling productivity apps for exactly that reason, and are unlikely to change their strategy now because they've already tried to cement their consoles as satellite elements of their core desktop/tablet offering. And I know that Sony don't seem tremendously interested in pushing a productivity-oriented strategy because they had a chance right now with the Vita and they (wisely) chose to deliver an entertainment-oriented system instead.
The idea that PS4/720 are going to be desktop-replacement general-purpose computers is a complete fantasy, and so is the idea that they'll be able to get away with $499+ prices long-term as a result of all their "value-added" features.
Hardly. It's true that a tablet is a much more consumption-oriented and less flexible tool than a real computer -- but it's still far closer to a computer than it is to a pure entertainment device like a console. The productivity uses of tablets are growing quickly (in fact, their ability to replace PCs in certain productivity contexts is probably driving their sales more than personal use at this point) whereas those of consoles are staying right where they've always been: at zero.
I mean, I get that this is a cranky-old-man-in-my-day-we-didn't-have-star-trek-PADDs thing, but don't let neophobia blind you to the meaningful distinctions between these technologies and how they're perceived and used.
They talk about this in behavioral economics. Price association. When a category of product is introduced at a certain price, like say gaming consoles, and the normal price range through it's history is say 299-399 - attempting to raise the price above the norm will make consumers feel they are being cheated or won't purchase as many. They've associated a price to the product. PS3 tried to break that mold and they failed.
iPads introduced their own category of consumer product and set the market price. No doubt more consumers would purchase at a lower price but consumers associate those prices with the iPad. Humans categorize things amd it's unreasonable to assume that because one category if goods holds a higher price that people will automatically make that distinction and accept a large increase in the price of a good in a completely distinct and separate category.
The Shift
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The marketplace will be shared between the 360 and new console. All the services they are establishing are cross compatible between the console/s and quite possibly Win8 and WinPhone to some degree. The software is the legacy function that will persist which is probably the natural outcome for Microsoft.
Lord Error
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There's a fairly high chance that PS3 won't get pushed to 2013 either if X720 gets launched next year. Much lower chance of the delayed release I'd say, than it was in the pre-PS3 world for Sony. They saw what happened when they were a year late, and I doubt they'll want a repeat of that now that both competitor would be launching a year before them.
From what I recall reading, the PS4 development team has not had as much time in the oven as either Nintendo or Microsoft. That, and the Vita will be the financial focus of Sony's gaming division over the next year. So while it's not impossible, I'd be far more willing to bet on the PS4 releasing in 2013 than the Xbox being delayed until 2013.
It has everything to do w... wait, why am I bothering to respond? Google "Steve Balmer"
Phonomezer
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They would need to get it out so MS doesn't get a next-gen CoD all to itself. Well there is Wii U but...
You say it as if CoD is going to get a significant engine upgrade in somehow during its yearly updates.
Chuck Norris
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Aren't Activision making a third COD developer so that they can develop on a three year cycle and still maintain yearly releases?
IMO, they either launch first or significantly after the competition. There is not point coming to the table a year later with very minor differences as they did this gen.
Maybe they will bring those tools to make HTML5 apps to current and next console. So wat? Still only thing looking like Windows 8 will be few lines of code in the Xbox OS kernel and the interface
charlequin
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It's not a question of long-term. $499+ pricing at launch is a guaranteed non-starter.
And losing over six billion dollars for Sony (and moving them from undisputed market leaders way down to fighting over a distant second) while Microsoft is likely going to end the generation slightly in the black. Sony's unit-sales competitiveness this generation has been funded entirely by crippling price drops.
If the soak-the-early-adopters plan actually worked, the 3DS would be an undisputed success right now. Instead, their overpriced system thudded to earth after the immediate early-adopter window was over and needed an emergency price-drop to address the problem. Even though it's now selling fine at the new price, the stigma from its initial poor reception and the opportunity cost of all those missed sales chances can't easily be eliminated. (Plus you have early adopters who feel gouged at just how much extra they paid.)
$499 (as the lowest entry price) is really just too high to get down to a reasonable, mass-market price quickly. You can't drop $200 off it in the first year and you won't do that well hanging out above $299 for two whole years after launch.
Lord Error
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Hmmm, yes, the fact that Vita is coming out early next year is perhaps the best argument that PS4 just won't make it then. Still, I think in case MS goes with late 2012, like it seems they would, Sony will probably try to go for early 2013.
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