JosephManderley
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If Microsoft do announce the Nextbox at CES, do you think there is a chance they could actually beat Nintendo to the punch and get their console out first?
Rumor: Xbox 3 = 6-core CPU, 2GB of DDR3 Main RAM, 2 AMD GPUs w/ Unknown VRAM, At CES
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No. Nintendo will be first. They don't have a choice at this point. The Wii is fading fast.
Proelite
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8 chips of GDDR5 for 2GB GDDR5.
4 chips of DDR3 and 4 chips of GDDR5 for 4GB of DDR3, and 1 GB of GDDR5.
2 chips of DDR3 and 6 chips of GDDR5 for 2GB of DDR3, and 1.5 GB of GDDR5.
8 chips of DDR3 for 8GB of DDR3.
Vinterbird
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Microsoft won't release their new console this year. There's simply no way it makes any kind of sense.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Proelite
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'Evidence" for 2012 release:
Paul Thurott on an unofficial Windows podcast.
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An acceptable 28nm fab process for GPUs. 20nm won't be usable until 2014 earliest.
"Evidence" against a 2012 release:
Semi-accurate rumors for a recently taped out SOC. http://semiaccurate.com/2011/12/05/exclusive-xbox-next-chip-just-taped-out/
Halo 4
Lack of leaks from studios. Considering there is less than a year till launch, this silence is deafening.
Cliffy B says around 2014.
Paul Thurott on an unofficial Windows podcast.
Edge Rumors
An acceptable 28nm fab process for GPUs. 20nm won't be usable until 2014 earliest.
"Evidence" against a 2012 release:
Semi-accurate rumors for a recently taped out SOC. http://semiaccurate.com/2011/12/05/exclusive-xbox-next-chip-just-taped-out/
Halo 4
Lack of leaks from studios. Considering there is less than a year till launch, this silence is deafening.
Cliffy B says around 2014.
Deuterium
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So basically, the primary argument that Microsoft won't release their next gen console by the end of this year boils down to the fact that HALO 4 comes out the same year??
As important as 343 Studios release will be for Microsoft, somehow I do not think that this single game will be a deciding factor in Microsoft's very complex decision (involving a million other factors) on wether they are willing and able to launch within 2012.
As important as 343 Studios release will be for Microsoft, somehow I do not think that this single game will be a deciding factor in Microsoft's very complex decision (involving a million other factors) on wether they are willing and able to launch within 2012.
Vinterbird
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That and the fact that by now, we would have had much more background chatter about the machine then we would have if it was over a year away from launch.
Deuterium
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Almost 3,900 posts in this thread alone. I would consider that a pretty good example of "background chatter", with all due respect.
Proelite
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He meant background chatter from people that matter.
like twitts / hints / leaks from devs.
dragonelite
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shouldn't those tweets come like after a reveal.
Proelite
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If the launch is less than a year away, we should be hearing hints about the state of launch games / projects.
Rumors point that devs first started receiving target specs for kits after E3 2011, giving them around 1.5 years to make a launch game if a 2012 release date is true.
Phonomezer
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This will be the first post-twitter/social media hardware generation, I doubt publishers and lead developers will just allow people to post about unannounced games on unannounced platforms willy nilly, they'll have that shit locked down.
But it will be interesting seeing to what extent the boat will leak, Nintendo has held the WiiU fairly close to their chest recently in regards to final specs.
I don't think Halo 4 is much of a factor in the decision making. Didn't the PS3 launch in the same month as FFXII on the PS2?
JosephManderley
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Wii U is 6-9 months away and we know pretty much zero about the state of launch games.
dragonelite
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Who knows maybe halo 4 is used to jump start the next gen console for the people with money to spend.
And people who can't buy the next gen can still enjoy halo 4. Would be really awesome if you could use the same disk for both consoles if microsoft is planning a 2012 launch.
And people who can't buy the next gen can still enjoy halo 4. Would be really awesome if you could use the same disk for both consoles if microsoft is planning a 2012 launch.
Proelite
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We had gameplay shown for Wii-U games, and a bunch of tech demos.
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
We'll see StevieP, as far as I can tell, they show no signs of slowing down.
If they fall, they just pick themselves right back up.
PS2, PSP, PS3, PSVita, all got off to a rocky start, and were costly to develop.
I don´t understand how a Halo 4 release would be an argument against a release of a new Xbox this year.
I am no Halo fan, but if I recall correctly Halo 4 would be the start of a new trilogy, meaning there is going to be a Halo 5 and 6. Are you telling me that Halo 4-6 will only be released on X360 only? Or if you think that Halo 5 and 6 is going next gen, wouldn´t you think that Halo 4 must also be on the new Xbox considering it´s a trilogy?
If anything I would think Halo 4 would be a great launch game for a new Xbox (with some extra effects vs the 360 version). Or at worst just be X360 backwards compatible.
I am no Halo fan, but if I recall correctly Halo 4 would be the start of a new trilogy, meaning there is going to be a Halo 5 and 6. Are you telling me that Halo 4-6 will only be released on X360 only? Or if you think that Halo 5 and 6 is going next gen, wouldn´t you think that Halo 4 must also be on the new Xbox considering it´s a trilogy?
If anything I would think Halo 4 would be a great launch game for a new Xbox (with some extra effects vs the 360 version). Or at worst just be X360 backwards compatible.
MS has battened down the information hatches pretty effectively since the release of the Xbox 360. Specifics on next gen consoles and/or development are likely heavily discouraged by all the hardware manufacturers and the studios this time around. Likely enforced by the use of ironclad NDA's.
Add that to the fact that nobody wants to lose their jobs in this economy because they blabbed about something they weren't supposed to.
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
That's when I expect Sony to launch its system, I don't know about Microsoft, but judging from the past, they will want to have an edge once more and maybe forfeit the wait and go head on. Sony has PSP and P$Vita to keep their fans occupied in the meantime.
Exactly, we wait a while for the ram to become cheaper, and then implement it into the system as an investment, because DDR4 will eventually become the norm.
Vinterbird
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Microsoft / 343 / Frankie has been extremely vocal in saying that Halo 4 is for the 360 and only the 360.
5 and 6 will of course be for the next console, but 4 is a 360 product.
Then 4 will be backwards compatible and work on the new Xbox as well.
I believe Frankie was specific only on the point that Halo 4 would be a 360 title. I don't believe he said anything about it not appearing on the next gen console as well. Probably because that would have in essence confirmed the existence of said next gen console, but still.
Vinterbird
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Then why would the mainstream consumer buy a new, expensive, Xbox when the current 360 at home plays his most wanted game for the year just fine?
If MS does release this year, I am incredibly interested in seeing how they will handle Halo 4 and all of that.
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
If we want to cautious, and lose moved units due to time wasted, yes!
If we want to be the normal Sony at work and offer something flashy, no.
Sony is unpredictable; but I have a feeling they will be flashy again.
And besides, in the current market, everything gets marked down considerably after a few months on store shelves, I wouldn't worry about it when it comes to DDR4. Like I said, we have the PSVita to keep us occupied, if ever they decide to play it slow.
It's always an extreme with Sony, one way or another, they seek to amaze you.
I just can't see the two top systems (in terms of performance) using DDR3, one will need to splurge.
dragonelite
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Maybe most people wont but if had to choose to get a new $500 console to play Halo 4 at 1080p with better effects i would in a heartbeat.
Phonomezer
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Because it'll look and run far better.
And who knows what features will be in the next iteration of LIVE.
Deuterium
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Dude, basically the same predicament happened with the original Playstation --> Playstation2 --> Playstation 3, as well as the original Xbox --> Xbox360.
If a new console has NEW games, and can play all your old 360 games...and the new console is "sexy" enough, then it will sell. It doesn't matter if it is 2012, or 2013.
<< and I realize all those consoles weren't necessarily backwards compatible, but that only strengthens my argument >>
Genesis Knight
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It's worth pointing out that Frankie lied several times about the existence of Halo CEA in order to preserve secrecy. Not like I'd expect him to do anything else; that's the way this works. So just because he says something doesn't mean it's necessarily true; it just means that's the message that Microsoft/343 are trying to get across at the moment.
soulassssns
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Why is that?
Garcia el Gringo
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As if they'd admit that they're working on that before the console was announced?
It's classic David Jaffe denying that he's working on Twisted Metal and naive fans believing his white lie. These devs have to consider business first. I'm not saying that it's a sure thing that Halo 4 will be for the 360's successor or that it'll have some souped-up backwards compatibility, I'm saying that you won't know for sure until Halo 4 and the 360's successor are fully unveiled.
Basically what Deutrium said. My point is Halo 4 won´t be an obstacle towards a release of a new Xbox, if it was to be released this year(which is what I believe by the way).
Karak
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I think he was saying one of a couple possibilities. That's all. And he is right, and you are as well. The issue here is that business, decisions based on competitors, prices, and many other things come up that could force or hold the release of a game at a time on a platform and the release of the platform as well.
I would love a Halo 4 on both systems as people without the money for a new system could get it and something like Halo 10 year does, the newer system could have some amazing bells and whistles. We know this is VERY possible as PC's have done it forever. But again so many things up in the air.
However, those stating releasing in a particular year doesn't make sense don't take into account that things don't always make sense. We have seen that first hand. We are now way out of spec for the normal console life. We are living in times that "don't make sense" so all bets are 100% off.
Karak
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Sorry bit of a double post here-
Correct they lied MANY times in the past, Frankie himself. It is strange that if a rumor fits the belief of a particular gamer its the dev being true, if it doesn't fit they are being dishonest.
You are 100% right. It is business first and MANY times that has to do with limiting competitor information as well.
frontieruk
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yeah cos as other people have said Frankie wouldn't lie about having gear for a system thats not been announced yet would he.
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