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In the end? 360 is anything but fucked.Dash Kappei said:Why?
Xbox 360 released one year BEFORE the Wii. Who was the fucked one in the end?
Hint: It doesn't start with N.
In the end? 360 is anything but fucked.Dash Kappei said:Why?
Xbox 360 released one year BEFORE the Wii. Who was the fucked one in the end?
Hint: It doesn't start with N.
H_Prestige said:Having Halo 4 as a launch title seems like a great strategy IMO. It's still a very popular series and something their competitors won't have.
eso76 said:pc games have to run, in a more or less pretty form, on a wide number of platforms.
i wouldnt call the same game you could play on a 5 years old machine (just not as pretty) next gen.
also, even limited to graphics you dont get 'next gen' by putting better iq and shaders (although it helps...a lot) on top of basically the same game a 5 years old console can run.
i've seen a lot more ambition and 'next gen' thinking in uncharted 3 than in battlefiend 3.
Ragnarok said:I hate all the bitching there is in these type of threads. Face it people, a next generation console is needed. By the time this new machine launches, the 360 will be like 7 years old. And there are still people wanting to tack on another year or two to this? Absurd. If you can't drop 500 bucks every 7 years then maybe you should find a new hobby.
GrayFoxPL said:Oh God, your nick!![]()
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Means McCock in Polish.
leadbelly said:but it's also true that consoles are currently holding back what could be done on the current PCs despite that.
Edit: I'll just add that Battlefield 3's system requirements aren't exactly low.
Karak said:How exactly are the tons of games for PC that are not on console being held back. Some are PC only devs as well. What exactly is holding them back?
Sorry I have always wondered about the thinking that a completely non connected console is holding back a PC dev that doesn't develop for the console and has 100% pc on their agenda.
Directx?
Chiaroscuro said:- Nintendo is pretty much caving up another Wii situation. A hardware with some tricks and that relies on 1st party software that looks good on it, and forgeting about 3rd parties ports. Let's face it: the current Wii U proposal is just a little more than a 360, and that will come 7 years after 360. Even if they beaf up the hardware a little (add another tablet, more RAM) it still will not be enough to face the next MS and Sony offers in raw power, even if they only come in 2013. The Wii U will go hand to hand with the next MS and Sony consoles for at least 4 years, forget about ports. Maybe some ports at launch, then soon 1st party exclusives.
Karak said:How exactly are the tons of games for PC that are not on console being held back. Some are PC only devs as well. What exactly is holding them back?
Sorry I have always wondered about the thinking that a completely non connected console is holding back a PC dev that doesn't develop for the console and has 100% pc on their agenda.
Directx?
Cliffy B wants Avatar movie quality graphics for gamesmclem said:Tell me what motivation third parties will have to develop for a machine that's significantly more demanding on their creative resources than the current status quo.
mclem said:Tell me what motivation third parties will have to develop for a machine that's significantly more demanding on their creative resources than the current status quo.
I want them to name the next Sony console "soda." It's light, bubbly- a good name for a console!DangerStepp said:George Costanza is pleased they didn't use 'Seven'.
Shtof said:It would be stupid of Microsoft to release a console in 2012. 360 is still selling great, thirdparties are fueling the console with lots of great games, for which the 360 usually gets the better version. Also, going out the door too early will allow Sony to put out a more powerful console at a later date, which is not optimal for MS at all, unless they intend to go all casual.
Shtof said:
current status quo will last at maximum 2 years, no one is expecting a next gen launch after 2013. 3rd parties must plan ahead, not plan for just the first 2 years (tops) of WiiU lifespan.
Whatever you say man. I'm with Cliffy on this one. I want Avatar graphics too.mclem said:Correction: CliffyB wants to sell third parties an *engine* that gives them Avatar movie quality graphics for games. And CliffyB can afford to absorb the costs that would allow him to produce Avatar movie quality graphics for games.
The industry ain't all about CliffyB.
mclem said:Correction: CliffyB wants to sell third parties an *engine* that gives them Avatar movie quality graphics for games. And CliffyB can afford to absorb the costs that would allow him to produce Avatar movie quality graphics for games.
The industry ain't all about CliffyB.
Proelite said:If they go launch next year, they can't do better than 28nm. In 2013 they still can't do better than 28nm. So launching next year makes sense from a technical perspective.
They would have to make do with a 7850 Variant that draws less than 90 watts and have a ~2.5 teraflops of computing power.
They can go with a 28nm power7 OOO variant with four cores clocked at 2.0 ghz.
4GB GDDR5 ram.
64 mb Edram.
Shouldn't cost them more than $299 to manufature.
clutch.as.it.gets. said:Yeah, it`s their best horse. MS has a weak 1st party output and halo 4 is their biggest game they have and would be wasted on the 360 imo. If i would be MS i also wouldn`t Twillight princess Halo 4 and would only offer it on the new machine. Only one version, build up from the ground for the new Xbox.
mclem said:Any future console - PS4, Xbox Ten, WiiU - *needs* to offer ways that offer clear improvements over the previous gen *without* increasing development costs. Pricing the little guys out of the business isn't going to be healthy for the industry (but possibly great for PC users!)
H_Prestige said:All next gen consoles will be out before Versus XIII is released in the west.
I'd really like to see a budget overview for some random triple-A game; what's their most costly features?McHuj said:I think more powerful hardware and better tool support will enable your average developer to put out a better game, quicker. Look at modern downloadable titles. I would say some are built with smaller cost, yet, are higher quality than full retail titles of generations past. That wasn't possible previously.
But also, I think it is true, that the cost of a AAA blockbuster game will rise.
McHuj said:How a console is selling today, might not be how a console is selling a year or two from now? The trick is to guess right and have your new model enter the market as the older model is in decline.
I believe so far the 360 is selling worse this year then the previous year. November and December sales will be interesting. If they don't beat last year, I'd say the sales decline is starting.
Yes, I know they can cut the price and that will spur sales, but those people buying at the new lower price wouldn't be the ones buying a the high priced console. My guess is after the successors introduction, they can sell another 15 or more million units over the following several years.
Karish said:THERE IS NO WAY THIS IS TRUE.
I would know.
As a gaming platform it is a success, as far as profitability it was fucked alright.H_Prestige said:In the end? 360 is anything but fucked.
You know what you made me just think about? Is how right now in this thread, yesterday, last week and probably next week people are going to say how they want this gen to last longer. yadda yadda. But the moment the next gen console of their choice is unveiled and shows off some kind of neat feature all of a sudden the same posters will say ...WickedLaharl said:I hope this is true. These consoles are old as fuck and need to be retired.
The irony is a 14 year old would have read the thread title which said this was a codename.Codeblue said:Ten? Xbox X?
Ugh. This is Wii U levels of awful naming, can't say it's suprising. I don't think there's a thing in the world you can tack onto "Xbox" to not make it sound like a 14 year old kid named it.
the wii u is coming out in holiday 2012. And we've known lots of details of it for 6 months. We know nothing about next box.
WrikaWrek said:Some weird hate around here, I mean, what is there to hate?
WickedLaharl said:I hope this is true. These consoles are old as fuck and need to be retired.
royalan said:"X" is a code name.
But wasn't the 360 launched less than a year after it was announced? I think it's hardly outlandish.
Ragnarok said:I hate all the bitching there is in these type of threads. Face it people, a next generation console is needed. By the time this new machine launches, the 360 will be like 7 years old. And there are still people wanting to tack on another year or two to this? Absurd. If you can't drop 500 bucks every 7 years then maybe you should find a new hobby.
Paco said:2012, 2013...whatever, day one.
Yep. Announced May 2005, released November 2005.