H_Prestige
Banned
In the end? 360 is anything but fucked.Dash Kappei said:
Rumor: Xbox successor codename is "Ten". Expected release Holiday 2012.
- Thread starter bgassassin
- Start date
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
H_Prestige said:
Yeah, it`s their best horse. MS has a weak 1st party output and halo 4 is their biggest game they have and would be wasted on the 360 imo. If i would be MS i also wouldn`t Twillight princess Halo 4 and would only offer it on the new machine. Only one version, build up from the ground for the new Xbox.
I hope the rumour is true, because 360 and ps 3 gotten pretty dated. Playing Arkham City on 360 right now, and watching all those ultra low res textures is killing me.
I´m ready for new tech.
eso76 said:
That's not quite the argument I was raising though. Crysis 1 had some pretty hefty system requirements when it first came out. Even going back to when these current consoles came out, there was a sudden jump in system requirements on PC. Of course a lot of the games coming out then were designed for multi-core processors. A single core all of a sudden just didn't cut it.
It's true that PC developers have never really got the most out of the hardware as they have to cater to all types of set-ups, but it's also true that consoles are currently holding back what could be done on the current PCs despite that.
Edit: I'll just add that Battlefield 3's system requirements aren't exactly low.
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
Ragnarok said:
I fully agree.
Proelite
Member
If they go launch next year, they can't do better than 28nm. In 2013 they still can't do better than 28nm. So launching next year makes sense from a technical perspective.
They would have to make do with a 7850 Variant that draws less than 90 watts and have a ~2.5 teraflops of computing power.
They can go with a 28nm power7 OOO variant with four cores clocked at 2.0 ghz.
4GB GDDR5 ram.
64 mb Edram.
Shouldn't cost them more than $299 to manufature.
They would have to make do with a 7850 Variant that draws less than 90 watts and have a ~2.5 teraflops of computing power.
They can go with a 28nm power7 OOO variant with four cores clocked at 2.0 ghz.
4GB GDDR5 ram.
64 mb Edram.
Shouldn't cost them more than $299 to manufature.
Chiaroscuro
Member
Well, let's see....
- Nintendo is pretty much caving up another Wii situation. A hardware with some tricks and that relies on 1st party software that looks good on it, and forgeting about 3rd parties ports. Let's face it: the current Wii U proposal is just a little more than a 360, and that will come 7 years after 360. Even if they beaf up the hardware a little (add another tablet, more RAM) it still will not be enough to face the next MS and Sony offers in raw power, even if they only come in 2013. The Wii U will go hand to hand with the next MS and Sony consoles for at least 4 years, forget about ports. Maybe some ports at launch, then soon 1st party exclusives.
- Sony cannot effort another hardware launch in 2012. They will be at loss on Vita, and its studios should be busy making software to promote it. Also PS3 still need to regain losses. Unless is a slighty update, a next generation Sony machine may come only late 2013.
- Microsoft is on a better position, although they still need to prove Kinect. They can milk the 360 until 2013 if they want. To launch earlier, in 2012, will only hurt its main competion, Sony (see above). So why Microsoft will want to hurt its main competition? See, a window opportunity (window, lol). They can wait for 2013, but I guess they won't.
- Still, 2012 would be a great momentum to show interaction with other plataforms. Windows 8 is launching, Windows Phone 8 (Apolo) is launching, all in the end of 2012. Show some great stuff that isn't only graphic relatate. How about using (multiple) Windows Phone as controllers/screens much like Wii U has the tablet? A lot of people would have phones, they do not need to buy a new hardware to have the same experience (assuming that WP install base grows a little).
- Launching a new device does not mean to kill the 360, it can be still around for at least 2 or 3 more years, becoming with Kinect the entry base of the MS entertainment setup, allowing its sucessor to be the big gun.
- Nintendo is pretty much caving up another Wii situation. A hardware with some tricks and that relies on 1st party software that looks good on it, and forgeting about 3rd parties ports. Let's face it: the current Wii U proposal is just a little more than a 360, and that will come 7 years after 360. Even if they beaf up the hardware a little (add another tablet, more RAM) it still will not be enough to face the next MS and Sony offers in raw power, even if they only come in 2013. The Wii U will go hand to hand with the next MS and Sony consoles for at least 4 years, forget about ports. Maybe some ports at launch, then soon 1st party exclusives.
- Sony cannot effort another hardware launch in 2012. They will be at loss on Vita, and its studios should be busy making software to promote it. Also PS3 still need to regain losses. Unless is a slighty update, a next generation Sony machine may come only late 2013.
- Microsoft is on a better position, although they still need to prove Kinect. They can milk the 360 until 2013 if they want. To launch earlier, in 2012, will only hurt its main competion, Sony (see above). So why Microsoft will want to hurt its main competition? See, a window opportunity (window, lol). They can wait for 2013, but I guess they won't.
- Still, 2012 would be a great momentum to show interaction with other plataforms. Windows 8 is launching, Windows Phone 8 (Apolo) is launching, all in the end of 2012. Show some great stuff that isn't only graphic relatate. How about using (multiple) Windows Phone as controllers/screens much like Wii U has the tablet? A lot of people would have phones, they do not need to buy a new hardware to have the same experience (assuming that WP install base grows a little).
- Launching a new device does not mean to kill the 360, it can be still around for at least 2 or 3 more years, becoming with Kinect the entry base of the MS entertainment setup, allowing its sucessor to be the big gun.
Karak
Member
leadbelly said:
How exactly are the tons of games for PC that are not on console being held back. Some are PC only devs as well. What exactly is holding them back?
Sorry I have always wondered about the thinking that a completely non connected console is holding back a PC dev that doesn't develop for the console and has 100% pc on their agenda.
Directx?
Shtof
Member
It would be stupid of Microsoft to release a console in 2012. 360 is still selling great, thirdparties are fueling the console with lots of great games, for which the 360 usually gets the better version. Also, going out the door too early will allow Sony to put out a more powerful console at a later date, which is not optimal for MS at all, unless they intend to go all casual.
Chiaroscuro
Member
Karak said:
100% PC devs are not the big guys. The big guys today relies on consoles, even Epic surrendered.
Sure a Indie dev is not being holded by consoles, but mainly by its own budget. And their games sure do not need be a graphical showcase, only a criative one.
Shtof
Member
Chiaroscuro
Member
mclem said:
current status quo will last at maximum 2 years, no one is expecting a next gen launch after 2013. 3rd parties must plan ahead, not plan for just the first 2 years (tops) of WiiU lifespan.
FindMyFarms
Member
Just when I felt like the current gen was coming into the swing of things :/ I really feel like these consoles could be solid for another 3-4 years. Granted, they probably will be, but I mean that with them being the main focus.
Typographenia
Member
I want them to name the next Sony console "soda." It's light, bubbly- a good name for a console!DangerStepp said:
Odd codename. Not nearly as good as "dolphin," still!
H_Prestige
Banned
All next gen consoles will be out before Versus XIII is released in the west.
McHuj
Member
Shtof said:
How a console is selling today, might not be how a console is selling a year or two from now? The trick is to guess right and have your new model enter the market as the older model is in decline.
I believe so far the 360 is selling worse this year then the previous year. November and December sales will be interesting. If they don't beat last year, I'd say the sales decline is starting.
Yes, I know they can cut the price and that will spur sales, but those people buying at the new lower price wouldn't be the ones buying a the high priced console. My guess is after the successors introduction, they can sell another 15 or more million units over the following several years.
Shtof said:
Correction: CliffyB wants to sell third parties an *engine* that gives them Avatar movie quality graphics for games. And CliffyB can afford to absorb the costs that would allow him to produce Avatar movie quality graphics for games.
The industry ain't all about CliffyB.
Go on then. You're a third party dancing on the very knife-edge of profitability. How do you plan to stay financially sustainable in an environment where the current level of fidelity is the most you can reasonably afford to produce?
Any future console - PS4, Xbox Ten, WiiU - *needs* to offer ways that offer clear improvements over the previous gen *without* increasing development costs. Pricing the little guys out of the business isn't going to be healthy for the industry (but possibly great for PC users!)
bgassassin
Member
Proelite said:
Unless there is a larger density around the corner, that's not going to be happening.
McHuj
Member
mclem said:
I think more powerful hardware and better tool support will enable your average developer to put out a better game, quicker. Look at modern downloadable titles. I would say some are built with smaller cost, yet, are higher quality than full retail titles of generations past. That wasn't possible previously.
But also, I think it is true, that the cost of a AAA blockbuster game will rise.
McHuj said:
This.
It's not bad business to be prepared for the inevitability of your current product losing steam. If this rumor is true it means the 360 will go down in a blaze of glory, instead of a pitiful year-long drought similar to what Wii owners will soon be bracing themselves for after Skyward Sword drops.
And the 360 will go on to be a popular casual Kinect machine. I mean, the PS2 managed to sell respectably for a while after the PS3 launched for this very reason.
At this point I think it could swing both ways. I don't think it makes less sense to launch in 2012. If anything, it'll be a crippling blow to Sony.
Karish said:
I hope you are right. I am not ready to say goodbye to our current generation of consoles. Microsoft would be better off waiting until either holiday 2013 or early 2014 to release its new system. I'd rather them take the time to have a proper release with a bunch of new triple A title games than rush a flawed new system out the door without a lot of new games to buy for it.
WickedLaharl
Member
I hope this is true. These consoles are old as fuck and need to be retired.
zerokoolpsx
Member
I expect an announcement at E3 2012 for a new console. I call bogus that it'll come out fall/winter 2012.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
As a gaming platform it is a success, as far as profitability it was fucked alright.H_Prestige said:
And I was just replying to the assumption that post made that WiiU would be "fucked" if Xbox Next launches shortly after, people just have short memory span it seems, Nintendo managed alright last time and gaffers are making the same mistakes all over again: more power = insta-success!
Didn't work like that for PS2, Wii, NDS... And probably 3DS.
Why would it be so certain the iter's gonna change this time around?
Just to be clear tho, I for one welcome a new generation of consoles with open arms, sick of playing console exclusives at subHD and 30fps.
specialguy
Banned
absolutely no chance.
the wii u is coming out in holiday 2012. And we've known lots of details of it for 6 months. We know nothing about next box.
plus, Microsoft will launch a massive marketing onslaught for halo 4 in holiday 12 which we know is for 360. no way they'll launch a new console too.
all these conflicting next box rumors have me back to square one though. i was pretty sure 2013 was looking likely, but since ms nerd rumors got discredited, there's really no telling. we have no hard info or consensus of rumors. my guess is 2013 or 2014. sadly 2014 may be more likely.
the wii u is coming out in holiday 2012. And we've known lots of details of it for 6 months. We know nothing about next box.
plus, Microsoft will launch a massive marketing onslaught for halo 4 in holiday 12 which we know is for 360. no way they'll launch a new console too.
all these conflicting next box rumors have me back to square one though. i was pretty sure 2013 was looking likely, but since ms nerd rumors got discredited, there's really no telling. we have no hard info or consensus of rumors. my guess is 2013 or 2014. sadly 2014 may be more likely.
You know what you made me just think about? Is how right now in this thread, yesterday, last week and probably next week people are going to say how they want this gen to last longer. yadda yadda. But the moment the next gen console of their choice is unveiled and shows off some kind of neat feature all of a sudden the same posters will say ...WickedLaharl said:
"I'm so tired of this gen! lets go next gen!"
So the fact you say it today means you're probably positively more honest with yourself than most of GAF. Bravo
The irony is a 14 year old would have read the thread title which said this was a codename.Codeblue said:
GarthVaderUK
Banned
WrikaWrek said:
Codenames, it seems.
Chiaroscuro
Member
WickedLaharl said:
I feel the same. As said, subHD graphics and 30 fps do not hold anymore.
Ragnarok said:
This needs to be repeated. God damn. I was half way through college when 360 came out. I'll be 30 in a couple of years. Not ready for another generation? What the fuck.
"But, but, I want to play dudeBrah 12 on rails with my grandkids...on 360 and an ipad200."