Rumor: Xbox successor codename is "Ten". Expected release Holiday 2012.
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Barack Lesnar
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You're 100% correct. I'll be the first to say that the majority of the best games I've played over the past few years have been multi-platform console ports and when dealing with PC MP games you get a higher res, higher framerate, and certain higher graphics settings...that's it, that's not next-gen. Crysis 1 was the last real PC game to take full advantage of the hardware at the time of its release and really blow everything else away.leadbelly said:
Lasthope106
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I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense. Microsoft is currently in building mode hiring so many hardware engineers for the next xbox project. Don't believe me go check the people posting about recent interviews for these positions. Why would MS hire so many people for less than a year worth of work. Makes no sense, 2012 is way too early, and could prove a disaster if the leap is not what most people here are expecting.
Alebrije
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But do We really need a next generation console now or in the 2012? I mean what would it offer besides better graphics?
I know we are talking about MS but Uncharted 3 offers great graphics and gameplay , so a new console next year ( MS or SONY ) do not makes sense talking about benefits for the consumer. If MS release a console next year I will be just for market strategy not because it will offer a different experience from 360.
I know we are talking about MS but Uncharted 3 offers great graphics and gameplay , so a new console next year ( MS or SONY ) do not makes sense talking about benefits for the consumer. If MS release a console next year I will be just for market strategy not because it will offer a different experience from 360.
Ragnarok
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I hate all the bitching there is in these type of threads. Face it people, a next generation console is needed. By the time this new machine launches, the 360 will be like 7 years old. And there are still people wanting to tack on another year or two to this? Absurd. If you can't drop 500 bucks every 7 years then maybe you should find a new hobby.
Yeah, I don't think it's as impossible as people want to think. By Holiday 2012 the 360 will have been out for 7 years. That's damn long and plenty of time for MS to have been planning a new console that won't be a rush job like the 360 was. And I think having Halo 4 as a launch title is the smartest thing they could do. The start of a new Halo trilogy...on a new console. It's their Mario: the best thing an Xbox console could possibly launch with.
Nintendo may have to rethink their strategy with the Wii U a little since it's looking like they won't have the significant head start they were counting on, but ultimately I think it's SONY that's fucked if MS can get the Xbox 10 out next year. There's no way Sony will have a new console and software ready by next year, and with 2/3 of the industry going next-gen a full year (at least) ahead of you? Yeah, they better be panicked.
Nintendo may have to rethink their strategy with the Wii U a little since it's looking like they won't have the significant head start they were counting on, but ultimately I think it's SONY that's fucked if MS can get the Xbox 10 out next year. There's no way Sony will have a new console and software ready by next year, and with 2/3 of the industry going next-gen a full year (at least) ahead of you? Yeah, they better be panicked.
Barack Lesnar
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I don't think people are upset about the 500 bucks. It's the tech implications a 2012 release would cause...Ragnarok said:
soxinthebox
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In time for COD10?
Considering the lack of developer buzz I'd be concerned from Microsoft's perspective with the console's game line up if this rumor proves to be true. MS is not known for keeping secrets like this particularly well and more credible sources would presumably have heard it sooner if true.
That said, if they can put together a decent launch line up it makes at least some sense. I think MS wants to go for blood this time and try to get out of perpetually finishing in 2nd place, so an aggressive launch makes sense from that stand point. In addition based on the last two generations I think MS sees itself as more in competition with Sony and going after the same demographics so preempting them by this much would essentially screw SONY over by having TWO consoles with established user bases and good solid consumer reputations in place.
That said, if they can put together a decent launch line up it makes at least some sense. I think MS wants to go for blood this time and try to get out of perpetually finishing in 2nd place, so an aggressive launch makes sense from that stand point. In addition based on the last two generations I think MS sees itself as more in competition with Sony and going after the same demographics so preempting them by this much would essentially screw SONY over by having TWO consoles with established user bases and good solid consumer reputations in place.
GodfatherX
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Absolutely no way it comes in 2012, zero. zilch, nada
alphaNoid said:
I'm sure they will. We all know they are integrating Xbox live over all those platforms. Whether they can win over the PC gaming community though is yet to be seen. A large part of that community is pretty unconvinced so far. Of course, the next Microsoft console will have better graphics. There is no way they wouldn't improve the hardware. Again, a low powered console wouldn't bode well for the PC gaming community either. Consoles are currently holding back PC graphics.
I'm personally looking at next gen in terms of graphics at this moment. We all know what Epic think the next-gen should look like in terms of graphics capability. I'm still hoping for that, although that could just be wishful thinking.
It could be that Microsoft will bring some incredibly innovative new feature, but that remains to be seen.
CoffeeJanitor
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If Sony/MS go with a software release too quickly there are expected huge leaps in hardware tech that would be missed out on.kIdMuScLe said:
Alligatorjandro
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Coming out next year?That seems unlikely.
Hobbestetrician
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Does momentum work like that? I remember the PS2 momentum not exactly helping the PS3 start off amazingly.zatara said:
ionicbluebird
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Numerology: 360 = 3+6+0 = 9, hence Xbox 10 
maybe 
bgassassin
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Lasthope106 said:
We also saw it mentioned that there were those already working on it and at least one for well over a year already.
Also it wouldn't be MS' fault that some people had outrageous expectations to begin with. They'll complain, but most will end up buying it anyway. Although I do expect some to shift to PC gaming because of it.
I think, if it comes out next year then this new Xbox will be heavily multimedia oriented and not a graphical powerhouse. Probably ARM based, to make interconnectivity with phones/tablet/desktop more easier. Then in 2013 we can expect full gaming oriented console.
But who knows...
But who knows...
RoboFu
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kIdMuScLe said:
Waiting for new hardware is useless and too late really. They always use hardware that is two years behind with add tweaks anyway. waiting another year is not going to gain you much.
For all the tech whores you might as well prepare for disappointment anyway. I am willing to bet both MS and Sony are going to go with the Wii's less is more stance than all out what can we sell you for $500 like last time.
H_Prestige
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Sony will pick a price they think is good (say $350) and cram as much stuff in there as possible without killing themselves. Just like they did with Vita. I can't see why MS won't go the same route either.Postman said:
Going the Wii route would be overclocking the CELL and doubling the RAM, then calling it a day.
MS will do well to one-up WiiU slightly, allowing for barely better looking multi-plats and proprietary titles that look fantastic due to better knowhow. The Wii more than proved that Nintendo hardware can go on its own w/o 3rd party support. Doing a ps3/360-esque performance equilibrium with them would likely be able to squeeze Sony, already in financial turmoil, out of the console race.
so what other than better specs can we get out of this next-gen?
so what other than better specs can we get out of this next-gen?
I see a 2013 release as well. I have nothing to go on this other then my feelings after reading so many rumors these past months about Microsoft's next console.
I would expect a 2013 release with technology that will showcase the latest DirectX technology and probably introduce some new tech as well. It wont be bleeding edge but the games coming out the first year will most likely look it due to optimization.
If it really does come out next year than I expect Microsoft is probably heading in an entirely new direction with their console and going for more cross functionality, multimedia and trying to attract a new customer base.
I would expect a 2013 release with technology that will showcase the latest DirectX technology and probably introduce some new tech as well. It wont be bleeding edge but the games coming out the first year will most likely look it due to optimization.
If it really does come out next year than I expect Microsoft is probably heading in an entirely new direction with their console and going for more cross functionality, multimedia and trying to attract a new customer base.
snoopeasystreet
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muu said:
xbox: increased xbox live price
Nintendo: alpha-numeric friend codes.
H_Prestige said:
This actually makes the most sense. Pick a price point that will be tolerable to consumers, determine if you will or will not take a loss early on. Cram as much tech into it as possible then focus on marketing and building the new pillars that will evolve the console experience. For Microsoft I feel they will expand on the multi-functionality of their device with kinect and services like a la carte cable channels, apps and probably some sure-to-fail attempt at facebook integration.
eso76
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leadbelly said:
pc games have to run, in a more or less pretty form, on a wide number of platforms.
i wouldnt call the same game you could play on a 5 years old machine (just not as pretty) next gen.
also, even limited to graphics you dont get 'next gen' by putting better iq and shaders (although it helps...a lot) on top of basically the same game a 5 years old console can run.
i've seen a lot more ambition and 'next gen' thinking in uncharted 3 than in battlefiend 3.
H_Prestige
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PS1 domination and momentum absolutely jump started the PS2. PS2 domination and momentum absolutely helped the PS3. Do you think MS could have survived a $599 launch of the 360 and no games?Zee-Row said:
Plus, this time we have XBL and PSN. People are tied into this stuff and they will be more inclined to stay with their current service of choice. The entire CE industry is moving in the direction of services and online ecosystems, and making all these devices you use to connect.
CoffeeJanitor said:
22nm CPUs and 28 nm GPUs are coming out in months. Should easily be able to cost reduce something pseudo AMD 7850 or Nvidia GTX 660, have 8 GB total RAM, and a 64 GB fast SSD. Would shit all over current gen consoles. It would be more than a generational leap. For many games the resolution bump will be greater (SD to 5xxp isn't impressive as 5xxp to 1080p). I can't wait until console devs update engines so my PC can run stuff more optimized.
Makes sense to me that Microsoft would rush this and take a huge hit financially. They make several billion in profit per quarter, and they're trying to catch up with Apple in the consumer space. Sony and Nintendo are having financial trouble right now, so it's a big opportunity. I wouldn't be surprised if the next Xbox includes Windows 8 features with kinect gui, tablet/phone integration, a new media center app for TV/streaming.
Dash Kappei
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Why?cyberheater said:
Xbox 360 released one year BEFORE the Wii. Who was the fucked one in the end?
Hint: It doesn't start with N.
Splash Wave
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Zee-Row said:
I don't think the slate is quite clean what with gamescore/trophies and the money people have invested into downloadable games on either system.
Dash Kappei said:
I don't think Microsoft is too concerned about short term profitability in this area. They probably look at the moderately healthy software/hardware sounds and good reception of Kinect as a GUI as a success.
As a PC gamer I hope it uses BD-ROM or something equivalent. I want all multiplatform games to utilize the same with tons of content like Uncharted does.
Proelite
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What ever happens I guarantee you that neither Sony nor MS is going to put out a subsidized console on the market again.
Personally I think they're going to go for a $399/$499 consoles that would net them $50 - $100 profit on launch day. For people think that the console will be gimped as a result, please do some research, they can get top of the line console CPU and the latest AMD/Nvidia mid performance variants for $200 total in the machines.
Personally I think they're going to go for a $399/$499 consoles that would net them $50 - $100 profit on launch day. For people think that the console will be gimped as a result, please do some research, they can get top of the line console CPU and the latest AMD/Nvidia mid performance variants for $200 total in the machines.
Saint Gregory
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[Nintex] said:
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Emerson said:
Sorry, I was walking out the door when I posed this question so my response to these responses is way late.Graphics Horse said:
All I'll say is it's hard for me to draw comparisons with the 360 to the PS2 right now. The 360 has been selling fantastically over the last year and a half while the PS2 was clearly in a decline by the time the PS3 was released.
Also, the market is way more crowded now than then. If the 1080 (or whatever) is launched next year there will be the 360, PS3, Wii, and WiiU all on the market at the same time. Microsoft may do it but it just seems silly when they're having their best performance ever with the 360 this year.