Russia is the strong military nation?
We have military bases in how many countries again?
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Russia will shoot down alliance jets over Syria if US launches air strikes on Alassad
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Russia is the strong military nation?
We have military bases in how many countries again?
MisterFalcon
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Better tell all the airlines to avoid the area before another plane full of tourists gets shot down by trigger happy or drunk Russian SAM operators. That will make quite a few places impossible to fly to like Beirut and some southern Turkish cities but better safe then sorry.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Russia's economy is not only becoming state run (up to 70% now) but it's a shit show since it is almost wholly dependent on energy exports.
I'd say keeping the public distracted is a more likely explanation.
Next year they run out of reserve money, and will be forced to either borrow at increasingly high interest rate loans (assuming they can find countries to loan it), or face a devalued currency and inflation.
Oil prices staying like this for a few more years will likely mean the collapse of the country.
Not sure what you are trying to say here.
What good does it help you having the strongest military and bases all over the world if your president is not willing to use it?
ah, you're right about that - the lack of enforcement on the US side is just baffling.
Bush used it and almost bankrupted America. Putin is using his and is on course to bankrupt Russia.
Military adventurism doesn't pay off anymore.
He's bombed more countries than any other president since Harry Truman.. I'm not sure what you mean by saying he's not willing to use his military. Are you suggesting going to war with Russia?
I think he's suggesting a ground war slash occupation.
He tripled the number of ground troops in Afghanistan that Bush used
Fallout-NL
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Have you guys read my earlier posts?
As i said before there is not much obama can do now because he was unwilling to enforce a no fly zone when the civil war started and russia wasn't interested in it yet.
Neither was he willing to enforce a no fly zone when assad crossed the famous red line and gassed his people.
Now it is too late anyway because it's only a matter of if not when russia and assad win this civil war.
His unwillingness to do anything against Assad or Ukraine has made Putin increasingly bolder (See Russias canceling of nuke treaties, deployment of S400 or SA-23 in Syria)
So say we had installed a no fly zone over Syria, then what?
The Syrian coalition consists of almost 20 countries of which USA is the leader. There's no way that Russia, in its recession, and China by association, also on hard economic times, wants to start a war.
This is a political move and a good one. Short term at least. Long term this hurts Russia because the West will extend and strengthen the sanctions and not even Putin is politically invincible from a shitty economy for that long.
This is a political move and a good one. Short term at least. Long term this hurts Russia because the West will extend and strengthen the sanctions and not even Putin is politically invincible from a shitty economy for that long.
Hey Russia's opportunistic that's it. the west creates its own problem
Once again russia is playing chess while to US plays checkers
There won't be anywhere near the causalities in civilians we have right now and there will be some actual peace negotiation now instead? Hell the war might have ended ages ago if a no fly zone was enforced from the beginning.
Intentionally bombing hospitals, destroying critical food and medicine, and resorting to literal barbarism is chess to you?
Shooting down a civilian 300-passenger airplane was such a smart chess move as well I guess?
KurtSloane
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S400 would be very difficult to take out, probably the best AA system around.
No barrel bombs which have contributed heavily to the destruction of urban centers, no systematic bombings of bakerys, health services and other vital infrastructure. If you read any developments, you'll understand how much the Syrian airforce has contributed to the suffering and destruction of it's own country.
KurtSloane
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FrozenCell
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how can they shoot down which they cannot see
You won't address the fact that they're fucking broke. In a year they will literally be starving.
He's criticizing your lack of empathy and tactless comparisons to chess. I don't think he disagrees with you on what the Russians are doing.
Tell that to the Russians, Iranians, and hell most of the Arab world. People love sticking their fingers in things.
This is childish bullshit that just wastes lives. We aren't any good at sticking fingers in the middle east. No one has been, historically.
HighResTomato
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Well that's all a lovely thought, but then you're expecting a different result to Iraq and Libya where 1. the country does not become our responsibility after our intervention (if you're talking about grounding the Syrian air force, the country then becomes our responsibility), and 2. the conflict is promptly resolved
Then there's also the possibility of us shooting down Russian and Syrian jets that refuse to comply to our no fly zone. You're either expecting the two countries to comply with us, or you're talking about using force against said countries, which could then escalate to full blown war.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Assad is basically giving Syria to Russia after giving it Iran didn't go that well.
After Russia Assad literally got no one left unless he signs a piece treaty with Israel and recognize it.
Hezboloah wasn't sufficient
Iran and the Shia Iraqis and Afghani weren't sufficient, it either Russia or Israel.
After Russia Assad literally got no one left unless he signs a piece treaty with Israel and recognize it.
Hezboloah wasn't sufficient
Iran and the Shia Iraqis and Afghani weren't sufficient, it either Russia or Israel.
Russia is a master of the tactic that looks strong in the short term, but is terrible in the long-term.
Isn't the US in like 7 different conflicts right now?
KurtSloane
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I didn't compare anything to chess, you have your wires crossed friend.
KurtSloane
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US won't launch cruise missiles especially at Russian installations, forget about it.
Lovely thought? Is that a real retort?
Enforcement of no-fly zones is a viable strategy, especially with the backing of the international community at stake. It wouldn't require a bigger commitment of ground forces. The reality is the Russians have effectively implemented their own air control and through the lack of intervention the rest of the world has ceded control to people who are effectively razing the country and committing war crimes.
My bad, I just noticed the earlier poster's comments.
Sure, if you mean by "real work" committing war crimes. Let me guess, Nasrallah's a real hero amiright?
I'm sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. Without Hezbollah and the Iranians Assad would have fallen by now. They are doing the real work on the ground with the Tiger division which has become the Syrian army's best division.
KurtSloane
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After Saddam being hung and the lynch mob that got Gaddafi, there was no way Assad was going to just roll over.
The failure of the West to conclude business in a better fashion in those instances has led Assad and the Alawites to fight to the bitter end for survival.
The failure of the West to conclude business in a better fashion in those instances has led Assad and the Alawites to fight to the bitter end for survival.
eot
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There are no US troops in Sweden. I doubt there are any in Austria either.Russia is the strong military nation?
We have military bases in how many countries again?
No idea what Russia / China are about on that map.
We have military bases in how many countries again?
This map is bullshit. There are no bases in Ireland North or South.
You really need to stop being so condescending. I don't understand how one can come to that conclusion to my answer. I suggest you google Battle of Qalamoun and see for yourself what Hezbollah is capable of. Even if Hezbollah is our enemy does that mean you can't be impressed with the work they put in their strategies and tactics?
Let me guess you think al-Julani's a real hero, amiright?
There was no Russia to begin with in the first few years, so you only had Syria to deal with and considering their fleet of aircrafts it'd have been easy to force them not to fly.
Spiral Insanity
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Thats a Cold War
Ireland has at least 1 US "Lily pad" which is essentially a miniature base
If I'm being completely honest, I do not know what the pink in that map represents seeing how those are countries without US bases. Also, the US does in fact have a base in Australia
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ary-presence-in-australias-northern-territory
Sorry, name dropping divisions within Syria's own army doesn't do much for me. I have Hezbollah's "Party of God" propaganda in my face every day of the week - so their claims of "divine" victories (aka 2006) and other interventions such as Qalamoun mean little to me. Things are clear here and despite their best intentions to hide it, the coffins of their dead keep rolling in week after week from Syria. Hezbollah has worked great in the past with guerrilla tactics (like hiding their troops and launchpads in our villages) against a modern enemy, but they are at an obvious stalemate here. I can also talk about all the numerous atrocities they are committing against Sunni villages, but something tells me that you're not going to take me that seriously.
I don't think much of most of Syria's current rebels either - Julani included. The regime and Hezbollah have ensured that most of the moderation was wiped out in the early days.
Lagspike_exe
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Russia doesn't need more nukes, they have enough to blow up the entire planet a few times if needed. That was a political statement after USA bombed Syrian forces and killed more than 60 of them.
Russia didn't get directly involved until recently, however they have been in alliance and have been providing aid to the Syrian government since the beginning of the war.. but I think you're missing the broader issue, and that is the notion of Russia standing by while we take control of Syria. Then there's the factor that if Syria were non-compliant, we would essentially be moving towards war against their government. So then we're stuck in another conflict with no real end in site
The dream is if we were to get involved that we would be able to put an end to the war once and for all. Which is wishful thinking to say the least considering our success to putting a close to our military conflicts over the past 15 years. When we get involved militarily we need to consider the consequences of things when they do not go as we plan... which is the problem we face in Iraq, Libya, Yemen, and Afghanistan right now
Today is the 15th anniversary of the war in Afghanistan btw. We still don't have an exit plan
Yea if only we could just fight on the side of the good guys in this conflict.
There was a really good article recently on this in the Atlantic, I think. Putin wanted to work closely with the US after he won election and the US begun of the war on terror, but differing foreign policy goals and mistakes from both sides has seen the relationship grow more estranged as time goes on.
In what way were they doing better? Their entire economy and society collapsed in the 1990s. Putin is loved in Russia because he stabilised the country and restored the economy when he came to power.
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