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[nynt9]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...h-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

Russia's cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trump's election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.

In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.

This is beyond the NSA document that was recently leaked. That document said it was only 8 states. Hack me if old.

 

[SpaceWolf]

Jesus Christ. This is terrifying.

 

[Beartruck]

So is it possible they fucked with the voting data of anyone likely to vote against Trump? How is the election not compromised at this point? The states he won were from such narrow margins that it's impossible to believe some of this didn't have an effect.

 

[Jinaar]

Trump was right! There were millions of votes tampered with. New election time! Throw this one out with the trash. Let's hit the 2 year campaign trailer again.

 

[Skellig Gra]

So is it possible they fucked with the voting data of anyone likely to vote against Trump? How is the election not compromised at this point? The states he won were from such narrow margins that it's impossible to believe some of this didn't have an effect.

I dunno, this all seems like a lot of hot air. If huge numbers of people were prevented from voting at the last minute we'd have heard at least a rumble or something about it from the 10's to 100's of thousands of people affected. Especially by now.

 

[Deku Tree]

But we should give Russia back their USA spying compounds for nothing in exchange right? And as long as we can give huge tax cuts to the 1% and kick 20m people off of health care it's all worth it right? Everything is gonna trickle down? And gorsuch right?

 

[Beartruck]

I dunno, this all seems like a lot of hot air. If huge numbers of people were prevented from voting at the last minute we'd have heard at least a rumble or something about it. Especially by now.

It didn't have to be huge numbers. Just a little bit here, a little bit there, evenly spread out. Remember, hillary lost some states by only 10,000 to 20,000 people. It would be pretty easy to fuck with some people's voting records in such a way that it they would have to jump through a lot of hoops to vote.

 

[Skellig Gra]

It didn't have to be huge numbers. Just a little bit here, a little bit there, evenly spread out. Remember, hillary lost some states by only 10,000 to 20,000 people. It would be pretty easy to fuck with some people's voting records in such a way that it they would have to jump through a lot of hoops to vote.

Even still, 20,000 people in one state suddenly not being able to vote I think would get noticed. I could be wrong and people just accept whatever happens to them but it seems like a stretch.

 

[MarkMclovin]

So is it possible they fucked with the voting data of anyone likely to vote against Trump? How is the election not compromised at this point? The states he won were from such narrow margins that it's impossible to believe some of this didn't have an effect.

Hitting a system doesn't mean it has been compromised.

We support systems that get millions of attacks every day. None are compromised as long as general practices are followed by users.

 

[wildfire]

Surprised they came this close. I wonder why their attempts were thwarted even though they gained access.

 

[[Agent]ZeroNine]

Hitting a system doesn't mean it has been compromised.

We support systems that get millions of attacks every day. None are compromised as long as general practices are followed by users.

I think you have a narrow perspective of what compromise means in relationship to this issue.

 

[Felix Lighter]

It's terrifying, not only the impact to the election, but Russia seems willing to commit acts of war against the US. I don't even know how you respond to another nuclear power in this case. Sanctions have to be EXTREMELY harsh.

 

[nynt9]

It's terrifying, not only the impact to the election, but Russia seems willing to commit acts of war against the US. I don't even know how you respond to another nuclear power in this case. Sanctions have to be EXTREMELY harsh.

This right here. Even if they didn't succeed this is an act of warfare and I don't know if Trump is willing to react to this to prevent future events which are guaranteed to happen.

 

[Neoweee]

Surprised they came this close. I wonder why their attempts were thwarted even though they gained access.

Were they all thwarted? Voter information may have helped their targeting for the rest of their bot/spam/fake news attempts, and who would notice if a few less black folk were registered come election day?

 

[chuckddd]

What do you think republicans will do when confronted with said information?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1284ARxFag

 

[charpunk]

Yup, nothing to be concerned about at all.......

 

[Fox318]

at what point is this an act of war?

 

[Fallout-NL]

This right here. Even if they didn't succeed this is an act of warfare and I don't know if Trump is willing to react to this to prevent future events which are guaranteed to happen.

React? Trump is the main beneficiary of this shit.

 

[Horp]

Edit:
Notice the smirk.

 

[Foffy]

Totally gonna bet that they actually get into systems next time.

 

[Skellig Gra]

at what point is this an act of war?

We have to be careful about this kind of stuff because we are spying too. Is it this bad? Probably not, but that's impossible to know for sure.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

Wow so the person of interest has now been expanded

Megyn Kellys daughter, Barron Trump, and a 400lb hacker sat on his bed they have formed a league of extraordinary hackers

 

[Senoculum]

The novelist inside of me is thinking....

What if Russian hacks reveal they made Hillary win the popular vote? What if they were trying to be the good guys but failed miserably!

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

It didn't have to be huge numbers. Just a little bit here, a little bit there, evenly spread out. Remember, hillary lost some states by only 10,000 to 20,000 people. It would be pretty easy to fuck with some people's voting records in such a way that it they would have to jump through a lot of hoops to vote.

Clinton lost those states by very few votes but the swings from the expected polling in those states was very large. If that was the result of voter roll hacking it seems like it would have been picked up on the ground.

 

[TheCochese]

Foundations of Geopolitics updated for the digital age.

Remember, the goal of this was probably to decrease confidence in our system, not necessarily install a particular candidate.

 

[Version 3.0]

39 states? Holy hell.

 

[TheRagnCajun]

Even still, 20,000 people in one state suddenly not being able to vote I think would get noticed. I could be wrong and people just accept whatever happens to them but it seems like a stretch.

that's the way I look at it. How could they screw with people's registration and expect them not to notice? They would be a public outcry.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

Damn. And they also tried to interfere with the french presidential election. The current sanctions are not enough. If this is true, there needs to be severe repercussions.

 

[The Albatross]

The news is alarming, but on and around election day there wasn't widespread reported issued with voter roles or information... Like, had millions of voter roles been altered to, say, disqualify someone from voting, it would have been reported. In this particular election, the ACLU, voter intimidation watchdogs, and other voter watchdog groups had fewer reports of voting day irregularities than in previous elections (part of that reduction also has to do in a reduction in the percentage of people who voted, particularly in that the ratio of regular voters to non-regular voters skewed more towards regular voters in comparison to 2008 and 2012, where more non-regular voters voted than in this election).

Of course, the only allegations of voter fraud were from the candidate who ended up winning the election, and those claims were thoroughly debunked.

 

[Cagey]

We have to be careful about this kind of stuff because we are spying too. Is it this bad? Probably not, but that's impossible to know for sure.

It's an act of war.

Any similar activity the US has engaged in can also be considered an act of war and, frankly, the recipients there are free to step up and do something about it.

The problem here is that someone has committed this against the United States and, thus far, we're responding like a limp-dick second-rate banana republic instead of the singular fucking pole in a unipolar world.

 

[Sephzilla]

This is an act of war and further makes me believe Trump is not the legitimate president

 

[Master Yoshi]

What would have happened had Hillary not seceded due to this very thing?

 

[LegendofJoe]

As soon as we take care of Trump the US and Europe need to tag team skull **** the Russian oligarchy. They're destroying the future of their own country (hello GOP as well) and destabilising the entire world (hello again GOP).

Progressives in Europe and the US can and damn well should win this war, but we have to fight together.

 

[Skellig Gra]

What would have happened had Hillary not seceded due to this very thing?

Electoral College still technically picks the president so it doesn't matter what Hillary did or didn't do.

 

[Alcotholic]

Didn't they say this before?

 

[akira28]

Well at least Putin appreciates the black vote.


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its funny though. they found all those Russian spies in America 8 or so years ago right? One of them was a picture perfect red-head that ended up becoming a tv guest and model? I guess now we know what they were up to.

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...h-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections



This is beyond the NSA document that was recently leaked. That document said it was only 8 states. Hack me if old.

Remember folks, both sides are the same!

That idea would obsess the Obama White House throughout the summer and fall of 2016, outweighing worries over the DNC hack and private Democratic campaign emails given to Wikileaks and other outlets, according to one of the people familiar with those conversations. The Homeland Security Department dispatched special teams to help states strengthen their cyber defenses, and some states hired private security companies to augment those efforts.

In many states, the extent of the Russian infiltration remains unclear. The federal government had no direct authority over state election systems, and some states offered limited cooperation. When then-DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson said last August that the department wanted to declare the systems as national critical infrastructure -- a designation that gives the federal government broader powers to intervene -- Republicans balked. Only after the election did the two sides eventually reach a deal to make the designation.

 

[Steejee]

that's the way I look at it. How could they screw with people's registration and expect them not to notice? They would be a public outcry.

Given how bad people are about turning out to vote, I could imagine a lot of people just resigning themselves to not voting in 2016 if something was messed up with their registration.

This news is pretty disturbing, and I don't imagine we're done with this rabbit hole, either.

 

[jstripes]

The person who knows the most about the cyber just moved into the White House. We'll finally get to the bottom of this.

 

[Dr.Acula]

I dunno, this all seems like a lot of hot air. If huge numbers of people were prevented from voting at the last minute we'd have heard at least a rumble or something about it from the 10's to 100's of thousands of people affected. Especially by now.

People probably thought they were a one-off that got unlucky, not part of a whole group that was systematically targeted. Kinda like how all those women Trump sexually assaulted over decades didn't speak out earlier.

 

[nynt9]

Didn't they say this before?

As I said in the OP, this increases the scope of the already known hack from 8 states to 39.

 

[StarCreator]

What would have happened had Hillary not seceded due to this very thing?

I believe the word you wanted was "concede".

 

[TheLaughingStock]

This is an act of war and further makes me believe Trump is not the legitimate president

Pres. Obama transitioned power peacefully to Pres. Trump and chose not to escalate the situation with Russia as CINC. I don't see how war could be on the table at this point as a result of what happened last year.

 

[Master Yoshi]

I believe the word you wanted was "concede".

Yes. Yes it was.

 

[Nappuccino]

that's the way I look at it. How could they screw with people's registration and expect them not to notice? They would be a public outcry.

So few people vote. If they were smart, they would try to figure out who were least likely to vote and go from there.

 

[Octavianus]

The person who knows the most about the cyber just moved into the White House. We'll finally get to the bottom of this.

Reliable sources told me he's the expert.

 

[NastyBook]

Sooooooooo is that a re-do?

 

[DeviantBoi]

They hacked into voter registrations and used that information to target voters with Hillary fake-news.

That plus the October surprise from Comey was probably enough to swing the election to Trump's favor.

If what I've read in the past is correct, that voter registration information was used by one of Manafort's (iirc) companies for that fake news campaign.

That's probably the collusion that is being investigated.

 

[Theonik]

Even still, 20,000 people in one state suddenly not being able to vote I think would get noticed. I could be wrong and people just accept whatever happens to them but it seems like a stretch.

'Oh I must have forgotten to register to vote'. Though having said that, they would be careful to manage how this was done. A handful of people in each polling station, and probably more importantly, pass the data on to the Trump campaign. The bigger risk of course is the software on the election machines that is an inherent security liability.

 

[Temp_User]

Hillary: "Our constitutional democracy demands our participation, not just every four years, but all the time. So let's do all we can to keep advancing the causes and values we all hold dear. Making our economy work for everyone, not just those at the top, protecting our country and protecting our planet."


Putin: "Shimmy shimmy ya, shimmy yam, shimmy yay"

Trump: "Ooh baby I like it raw. Yeah baby I like it rawww-"