Santa Monica Studio: A message from the team regarding spoilers

But why did the retailer receive them a month early?
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most games dont go gold over a month in advance. most games dont have stories you actually give a shit about.

SSM shouldve seen this coming. maybe dont ship games until a day or two before launch. or maybe, just break the street date now that the cat is out of the bag.

1.) The physical games wouldn't arrive if it shipped a day or two before launch. Hlel, sometimes even a week is not enough time.

2.) Just "release" the games can screw people over even more as it increases the chances of spoilers for those who can't play the game until launch due to real life getting in the way (Job, Family, etc). Many take a day or few off for big releases like this. Can't just easily change those requested days off.

3.) Many AAA games go gold over a month or more in advance. This isn't new. To produce enough physical copies requires quite a bit of time and factories can't just immediately pump out all the physicals at the drop of a dime. Things need to be scheduled.
 
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Not reading any spoilers will avoid like the plague. Don't understand why anyone would seek out and watch the spoilers.

Now some of you might remember me extensively complaining about the rediculous last of remake price, and I stand by that, but I will go on the record to state this game is 99% likely to worth every penny of the full price.
 
Back in the old day without the net and magazines were the only way gamers could see reviews, often times the review came out a month or two after launch. They just didnt get the review copies fast enough. Or perhaps, they even bought their own copy. I dont know. But it's not like now where a game comes out and metacritic has 50 day one reviews all showing up by the end of the day.

Eh, not really. Game reviews in the magazine days usually came out within the month of release (either ahead of release or after,) and if they really were behind by over a month, it was because they didn't have the relationships and resources (or proximity) to run their magazine like a proper customer service. Timelines and release dates were a little more vague then, until "Mortal Monday" most product was just "for sale" the day the cartons came in, but game editors had access to builds of a good percentage of games before they came to stores. Publishing reviews was actually an issue more because of access than lack of access, as reviewers had to beat the street date but could not be assured that they had "gold master" code (and really it was a challenge to communicate between the developer and the marketing and the editors and everybody on what builds were what, plus a lot of PR or Eds didn't care at that time anyway because it was all kind of close enough in kid craft,) and so sometimes reviews were on incomplete versions of the games by mistake or intention. There was also some of that "exclusive review" favoritism way back, though I don't remember the term being a cover brag for magazines at the time.

Even in early days of websites, if a reviewer didn't have a copy of the game on day one and had to go out and buy it, that was usually a bad sign that the company didn't have the confidence to send advance copies out. Games of course go to print weeks if not a month before stores get their stock, and only small-scale publishers would not have had a portion of the first run sent to the office; plus back then disc and cart copies could be made of the gold master copy and played on journalists' debug kits.) There were exceptions, but most publishers sent copies out, and often had been sending a steady stream of preview copies before that to try and get early coverage.

Lead times started to compress a bit in the CD/DVD era as printing got easier and faster (even though games got much more complicated and developers pushed deadlines to the bitter end,) but it really didn't get backed up past the release date and into "Review In Progress" until somewhere in the PS360 era, where games started to come out digital or required online servers and patches that held writers off from handling the product.

You're right that reviews weren't as big a business then like they are now. Cheat codes and guides, plus screenshots, those were probably the statistical draws of magazines (also back in the magazine days, reviews barely had any text to them and didn't have an onus of being "right", and even in the early website days, reviews were only a few paragraphs describing whether something was fun or not.)

But I don't think if you were to add up the dates that you'd find a great measurable difference between the old times and now of how long it took to get reviews of hot titles. If Metacritic had existed back in the PS1 days, by the numbers there wouldn't have been as many outlets covering games, and only a percentage of those would have had a business model where they had manpower to prioritize day-one reviews of big products, also internationally there would have been a lot less access since there would have not been an attempt at a global launch date with international exposure all at once. (You also had a lot more specialist sites back then, so SaturnWorld wouldn't have been covering GoW anyway...) But I'd say you would have proportionally had the same number of sites or magazines with a review that same week or nearest magazine issue if the Sony of that time had been as prepared with copies of a game big like GoW:R as it is now.
 
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Honestly, I don't mind spoilers at all, but I understand how they can be frustrating for some. Just avoid social media, gaming forums and all that, it's less than two weeks.
 
That's so stupid that it's embarassing for you. Not all games are plain "play" experiences. There are many games who let you participate in an adventure, and unfolding and discovery are essential parts of them. Even explaining this concept sounds absurd. Are you sure you didn't take any narcotic?
I consider Silent Hill 2 one of the greatest game experiences I ever had. And from the point of view og gameplay, it's average. There are an infinite amount of examples like that, you are either confused or you are just an X fanboy trying to downplay the quality of Sony exclusives. Either way, it's a bad sign.

sir, this is God of War, the deepest story beats this series had are about as deep as a saturday morning cartoon
 
3.) Many AAA games go gold over a month or more in advance. This isn't new. To produce enough physical copies requires quite a bit of time and factories can't just immediately pump out all the physicals at the drop of a dime. Things need to be scheduled.

Nintendo games usually are finished so far in advance that reviewers get review code up to 3 months before launch
I remember I think Digital Foundry talking about some Nintendo title a while ago where they had the game in their office in basically Day 1 condition for months
 
Nintendo games usually are finished so far in advance that reviewers get review code up to 3 months before launch
I remember I think Digital Foundry talking about some Nintendo title a while ago where they had the game in their office in basically Day 1 condition for months

It depends on the title. Some games are done early, some games cut it close. Three months feels to be on the extreme end of completion though (plus, what is "completion" in this patchable era...), and even if a publisher had final discs in hand that much before launch, I don't see how it'd be a smart PR move to send the copies out to journalists or even influencers so soon before launch.

Either way though, I don't know what Nintendo title Digital Foundry would have had three months ahead. In fact, Nintendo is notoriously tight with copies of games, to the point where there are stories of them bringing a new Mario or Zelda to a place by coming over in person with the game and bolting a padlocked debug console with it to the editor's desk.
 
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It depends on the title. Some games are done early, some games cut it close. Three months is on the extreme end of completion though, and even if a publisher had final code in hand that much before launch, I don't see how it'd be a smart PR move to send the copies out so soon for no reason.

Either way though, I don't know what Nintendo title Digital Foundry would have had three months ahead. In fact, Nintendo is notoriously tight with copies of games, to the point where there are stories of them bringing a new Mario or Zelda to a place by coming over in person and bolting a padlocked debug console to the editor's desk.

I can't remember what game it was and I have no idea how to look this up tbh xD but it was multiple months before launch and they had the more or less final version as a review copy.

and all those Nintendo games that leak weeks before release, that's usually down to some reviewer being a dickhead and uploading the game anonymously or handing out copies.

and I think because of that they are slowly also stopping to hand out copies that far in advance

edit: I found an article that mentions this by googling real quick:

This may surprise you, but from a journalist's perspective, Nintendo is by far the best company to deal with. Despite its reputation for being notoriously secretive with its stuff, Nintendo sends out review copies much earlier than anyone else and has embargoes that usually end weeks before a game's out.

Okay, let's take Mario Kart 8 as an example. A massive game, clearly one a lot of people would want to pre-order. It even had its own pre-order bonus in the UK, a fancy Spiny shell statue, as an incentive to get people to fork out their money early.

Mario Kart 8's release date was 30 May in both Europe and North America. For many other publishers, this would often result in a review embargo of 29 May.


The games press started receiving download codes for the full version of Mario Kart 8 on 1 May, a full month before it was due to be released. This is a massive help for journalists because it gives us plenty of time to not only fully play through the game, but also digest it, have a think about it and take time to craft a detailed review.

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This wasn't an exception, either. Nintendo routinely gives the press review copies of its games long before release, with generous embargoes that give them the flexibility to decide when to go live with their reviews.


but this was from 2015, with recent leaks I don't blame them if they stop doing that
 
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I think spoilers in thread titles should be banned. Thanks to the fuckwitt who posted a thread about a certain battle - hope you go home to your wife/girlfriend and smell your best friends cologne on your pillow.
A little harsh but I think I would wear the perfume of the girl he is cheating with so when I go round to rinse his girlfriend, when he smells his other girlfriends perfume on his pillow, that will really fuck him up.
 
sir, this is God of War, the deepest story beats this series had are about as deep as a saturday morning cartoon
And yet, there are countless threads of people who are saddened by the situation, because they feel the story to be significant, while you never see anyone never care about ANY of your beloved X exclusives. Please, you are a notorious fanboy, always trying to downplay Sony in general. And now you are playng the trite card "iiiit's a soooo siiiimple stoooory", like idiots usually do to reduce ANY story to some trivialized elements. That's as much sad as trying to look sooo special and sooo refined being a snob.
 
And yet, there are countless threads of people who are saddened by the situation, because they feel the story to be significant, while you never see anyone never care about ANY of your beloved X exclusives. Please, you are a notorious fanboy, always trying to downplay Sony in general. And now you are playng the trite card "iiiit's a soooo siiiimple stoooory", like idiots usually do to reduce ANY story to some trivialized elements. That's as much sad as trying to look sooo special and sooo refined being a snob.

ah yes I'm a notorious fanboy, and I bet you have proof for that little prince. maybe you're projecting as per usual on here

also how hard is it to avoid spoilers? I have not actively tried to avoid anything and I had nothing spoiled so far.
I only watched the newest Bond movie like 10 days ago and I had ZERO things spoiled for me without actively avoiding it.

must be hard to avoid spoilers like "Kratos fights that one dude! CRAZY!"
 
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ah yes I'm a notorious fanboy, and I bet you have proof for that little prince. maybe you're projecting as per usual on here

also how hard is it to avoid spoilers? I have not actively tried to avoid anything and I had nothing spoiled so far.
I only watched the newest Bond movie like 10 days ago and I had ZERO things spoiled for me without actively avoiding it.

must be hard to avoid spoilers like "Kratos fights that one dude! CRAZY!"
I never had the habit of projecting anything. That's just a silly attempt to diverge attention. "As per usual" should make it clear, since I rarely post and you cannot know anything about me.

Also it's not clear why you added the stuff about the difficulty to avoid spoilers. The discussion was about your downplaying. There was nothing about how hard is avoiding spoilers.

Also the Bond example is not accurate. There are no failed fanboys trying to spoil movies around the internet in the sad attempt to ruin the fun of others.
 
I can't remember what game it was and I have no idea how to look this up tbh xD but it was multiple months before launch and they had the more or less final version as a review copy.

edit: I found an article that mentions this by googling real quick:
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One month makes a lot more sense than three.

Nintendo does have its act together. They can bring their builds whenever it makes sense to start the hype machine on direct coverage, and they have the lawyers and PR staff to draw up advantageous embargo schedules. (Nintendo also used to have product done a long time before it gets to the English-speaking world since they prioritized the Japanese launch, although by 2015 they wouldn't have been doing that much anymore.) (Note that Chris Cullion worked for Future and Official Nintendo Magazine, which had print even up to 2015, and print got treated differently, though Mario Kart 8 on the struggling Wii U might have been strategically worth getting copies out early one way or another.)

However, the tactics Nintendo uses in PR (and can use in PR, for that matter, since nobody else has their clout and market depth; Mario Kart could be covered every single day for that whole month and not be tired out by the time it launches,) are not typically replicable for other companies, and I would not consider review code being in hand a full month or more ahead to be the norm. There's people on this forum with fresh experience in reviewing games, they may have a different version of how things are today, but let's just say I would be quite curious to hear somebody say they're inundated with copies and codes of review copies months before they're done.

and all those Nintendo games that leak weeks before release, that's usually down to some reviewer being a dickhead and uploading the game anonymously or handing out copies.

and I think because of that they are slowly also stopping to hand out copies that far in advance

You're conflating a few things together here, but it should be able be verified that it's not journalists bootlegging early copies of games. The software leaks before copies even get in the PR cycle, and it's not easy to redistribute software these days that it's consigned to a user ID. (In the old days, sure, everybody with a chipped console could play CD burns and so those got tossed around like Halloween candy, but now even if you were smart enough to do something that stupid, you'd also have to be sure that there's no tracking info in the build which could trace back to you.) Most leaks seem traceable to either hacks into corporate servers or theft in the manufacturing.
 
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If the story is this important to not have spoiled that they're literally telling fans to not get caught up in the launch hype but rather censor the whole title from the internet and stay off gaming boards, then what's their strategy for the people who:
…don't get it day 1?
…haven't managed to find a console yet?
…subscribe and play through to PS+?
…interested in a PC release?

I think they need to sync everything up, all versions the same day, press some unlock button on launch day. Or just stop making games where a big reason for the appeal seemingly is "OMG WOW I never knew that would happen!". Because this isn't working.

Oh well I won't play on launch day anyway so I guess I get to discover how it holds up without the surprise factor.
 
If the story is this important to not have spoiled that they're literally telling fans to not get caught up in the launch hype but rather censor the whole title from the internet and stay off gaming boards, then what's their strategy for the people who:
…don't get it day 1?
…haven't managed to find a console yet?
…subscribe and play through to PS+?
…interested in a PC release?

I think they need to sync everything up, all versions the same day, press some unlock button on launch day. Or just stop making games where a big reason for the appeal seemingly is "OMG WOW I never knew that would happen!". Because this isn't working.

Oh well I won't play on launch day anyway so I guess I get to discover how it holds up without the surprise factor.
This is exactly why the reaction to this is such a laughable overreaction. The vast majority of people who will end up playing this game will not get it day one. Are all of their experiences ruined now? Of course not.

If you go to any place where entertainment media is discussed, you risk the place of getting your entertainment spoiled before you get a chance to watch or play it. Just the way it is.
 
I think they need to sync everything up, all versions the same day, press some unlock button on launch day.
I believe they are trying to do this but haven't been able to enforce it. There was a tweet from Cory Barlog specifically complaining that physical retailers sent out copies too early. The retailers also need to be punished for that.

Also, one thing i don't get is, even if you install a game from a physical disc, how does it become playable before launch date ? Aren't there server-side restrictions on that ? Can you just take your playstation offline and play a game before launch date ?
 
I believe they are trying to do this but haven't been able to enforce it. There was a tweet from Cory Barlog specifically complaining that physical retailers sent out copies too early. The retailers also need to be punished for that.

Also, one thing i don't get is, even if you install a game from a physical disc, how does it become playable before launch date ? Aren't there server-side restrictions on that ? Can you just take your playstation offline and play a game before launch date ?
I would troll the early players if I was SM. Change something major on the day 1 patch so they have to replay it, or add a trophy that only unlock if you play it on or after launch day, making it impossible to Platinum if you start early.
 
Most major games aren't leaked by retailers 2 weeks in advance.
Don't the same 'rules' still apply? Maybe I wouldn't buy it day one anyways; then, for me, it would be (officially) out for the same amount of time or longer. With social media and the internet it has never been easier to get spoilered. But it's not the time before or after the release that matters IMO but how I use the internet.

I haven't managed to play FFVII completely in all those years and still haven't been spoilered about THAT twist I only hear vaguely about with that specific wording when it's about FFVII.

I get that the publisher fucked up, shipped way too early, and Santa Monica is now biting their nails because it's out of control for them. But I wouldn't be overreacting. For the majority of the players it doesn't matter most certainly.
 
I see this as nondifferent than buying a game a month after launch. People who spoil shit are scum but the world shouldn't revolve around the mentality that you must consume media the day its released. Play it when you want to play it and hopefully you enjoy it.
 
I think spoilers in thread titles should be banned. Thanks to the fuckwitt who posted a thread about a certain battle - hope you go home to your wife/girlfriend and smell your best friends cologne on your pillow.

The game is called "Ragnarok". Did you really think Kratos was getting through the game without fighting that guy?
 
I never had the habit of projecting anything. That's just a silly attempt to diverge attention. "As per usual" should make it clear, since I rarely post and you cannot know anything about me.

grammar is your friend. "as per usual on here", not talking about you princess

Also it's not clear why you added the stuff about the difficulty to avoid spoilers. The discussion was about your downplaying. There was nothing about how hard is avoiding spoilers.

Also the Bond example is not accurate. There are no failed fanboys trying to spoil movies around the internet in the sad attempt to ruin the fun of others.

yes, noone tried to spoil what happened to Han Solo in Episode 7... noone did that your highness, of course! :)
and you sound very much like an enraged fanboy right now... just saying, so my projection assumption seems accurate so far
 
How does one exactly get exposed to spoilery YouTube thumbnails/videos ? Do they subscribe to creators who routinely do this ? I curate my YouTube feed very carefully, so i never get such suggestions at all. And i never go into the generic 'explore' or 'gaming' sections. I also stay away from the subreddit before launch. I have been able to avoid spoilers easily so far, i have no idea what is going to happen in the game.
(The Kratos v Thor battle was already teased in the post-credits scene of the previous game, so not exactly a big spoiler)
 
They are trying to build hype.

This is the "Infinity War & Endgame method" - you go around telling everyone to please not spoil the game and please avoid spoilers, with the implication that there must be some real juicy stuff being kept under wraps!

They are broadcasting spoilers by making a statement at all.
 
This game really did reset everything, huh?

Why are people acting like spoilers are a new thing? All of you were alive for TLOU2, and for the countless big hype games that came before it in the age of the internet. People complained about squeezing through cracks before Ragnarok, and spoilers were a thing before Ragnarok. I know people forget easily, but come on.
 
How long have people been playing games and god of war?

Just throw names out of gods and he's probably going to fight them in this. I haven't seen shit out side of that thor fight and I can guess already who he is going to fight and I know a few if them will be right.

Other spoilers I can get that you might be annoyed about, but to be upset that kratos fought thor, and you know who else he will be fighting is just funny to me.
 
I believe they are trying to do this but haven't been able to enforce it.
Because it's not a workable solution and I suspect it's not allowed legally either.

It's important to keep one thing in mind when discussion this topic: The consumer has no business in any of this. The consumer just walks into a store (or orders online, doesn't matter), pays for his/her game and then has a right to use it. It is not the consumer's problem that the store sold it too early, nor is it the consumer's concern that this doesn't line up with the marketing schedule of the publisher. That is something between store and publisher.

Banning people from accessing the game they've paid for is not a good look.
 
I guess you like your movies spoiled too?

I don't really care, mate. Shit like that doesn't bother me.

how is that over the top? weird comment
Making a post about it and making it seems like someone killed a parent or something. It reads like an obituary.

Waiting for a game's conclusion for almost half a decade only to be spoiled 10 days before reiease sucks ass. How is that over the top?

No one is forcing people to go and click on Youtube to watch the videos. They are bringing more attaention to it by making that announcement. Most people who watch the videos of games released before their date don't care about the story.
 
The game is called "Ragnarok". Did you really think Kratos was getting through the game without fighting that guy?
Of course not. But I would have at least liked to have not known for certain.

And I get it. Internet Blackout and all that. But I still like browsing GAF with (hopefully) not getting spoilers on the front page and in thread titles without going balls deep into known spoiler threads.
 
Of course not. But I would have at least liked to have not known for certain.

And I get it. Internet Blackout and all that. But I still like browsing GAF with (hopefully) not getting spoilers on the front page and in thread titles without going balls deep into known spoiler threads.

Oh it was certain. Especially if you played the earlier games in the series(1-3). I get your intent though. Internet blackout is how I handle potential spoilers. It's just been awhile since anything released that I cared about being spoiled.
 
I've never understood this aversion to 'spoilers' when it comes to any form of entertainment media, its all just so trivial. Does knowing this stuff mean you are not going to watch/play it anyway?

There's only one spoiler in life I don't want to know about...Where, how & when I die.

Anything else is fair game.
 
grammar is your friend. "as per usual on here", not talking about you princess



yes, noone tried to spoil what happened to Han Solo in Episode 7... noone did that your highness, of course! :)
and you sound very much like an enraged fanboy right now... just saying, so my projection assumption seems accurate so far
Yes, grammar of a non english speaking person is not perfect. How surprising. And how important! It seems that you have nothing to say and now you are even trying to downplay me, too. Don't you realize that this is a low behavior? Again a confirmation of the kind of person you are. Underhanded and hypocritical.
The pathetic example of a movie is the top. Of course there are stories, in any media, which can be subject to spoilers. But even your perfect english seems to go with low reading skills: the point was not on the risk of spoilers that can happen when people discuss the contents, but that on games (and especially Sony exclusives, as you can see by history) the spoilers are actively done by fanboys in ways that bypass attention (for example on titles and using certain images for videos, or things like that).
And again, that was not the topic. But please, find something else to try to look special. It seems you really need it badly. Good luck with life.
 
Oh it was certain. Especially if you played the earlier games in the series(1-3). I get your intent though. Internet blackout is how I handle potential spoilers. It's just been awhile since anything released that I cared about being spoiled.
At a minimum I think mods here should perhaps police thread titles for obvious fuckwittery leading up to big, eagerly awaited releases. I certainly don't go to joints known for popping balloons.
 
It is not the consumer's problem that the store sold it too early, nor is it the consumer's concern that this doesn't line up with the marketing schedule of the publisher. That is something between store and publisher.
I meant it that way. Not a buyer's fault if they are given a disc too early. Retailers need to be controlled. Although like you said, such control is difficult to enforce.

Banning people from accessing the game they've paid for is not a good look.

I didn't mean banning. I meant, when you buy a digital copy, you cannot launch the game before release date (this is a thing on all consoles/platforms i guess, i have seen it on PS and Steam).

And since a physical disc is only used to install the game, and the game is added to your PSN account online anyway, the same server-side control to prevent people from launching the game before the release date should be a thing for physical disc copies too right ? Or if they don't want to do that, then just live with the spoilers i guess.
 
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out of good will , i tried to tell people on discord please do not visit youtube as spoilers are out
and someone said " do not tell me what to do "

and boy , my blood pressure went up and that i just typed ' just blocked me if you want too ' and i quit discord since last week
so yeah , going for a media blackout for games i love
 
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I meant it that way. Not a buyer's fault if they are given a disc too early. Retailers need to be controlled. Although like you said, such control is difficult to enforce.



I didn't mean banning. I meant, when you buy a digital copy, you cannot launch the game before release date (this is a thing on all consoles/platforms i guess, i have seen it on PS and Steam).

And since a physical disc is only used to install the game, and the game is added to your PSN account online anyway, the same server-side control to prevent people from launching the game before the release date should be a thing for physical disc copies too right ? Or if they don't want to do that, then just live with the spoilers i guess.
When I meant banning, I meant keeping them from accessing the game they've paid for until the game's official release. Sorry for my poor choice of words.

The difference between buying a digital copy before the game's release is that it is a pre-order. You are informed on the store page that you are placing a pre-order for the title that will become available on such and such date, and you agree to these terms and conditions.

However, when you're walking into a store and buy a physical copy, you are not informed of these terms, and you did not agree to them. You simply purchased a product that was available in the store at that moment. I don't know if the publisher is legally allowed to keep you from using the game until X date after you've already purchased it, nor should we as consumers want that.
 
Luckily I don't use Twitter, I think the only place I do frequent where I could possibly be spoiled is YouTube. And this place. BE NICE, ASSHOLES.

I guess I did get "spoiled" on a particular fight being in the game from the thread title about it, but I didn't even react when I saw that. Most obvious thing ever. Didn't enter the thread of course.
 
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You don't even have a PlayStation...
"you can't rate if this game is good or bad because you are not a game developer."

Also, if you are only legible to talk about consoles you own, then there would be almost no xbox discussions on Gaf, since 90 percent of the posts in these discussions are from people never wanting one.

He can say their statement is lame no matter what platform he has?

Maybe he has a PC? God of war will get there eventually.

Of course the game will be spoiled by them, but the same can be said for people not buying the game day one but a month after release.
 
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I'm a weirdo that loves knowing spoilers before playing a game.

I get even more hyped

I remember watching TLOU ending before playing just to know if Joel would die. Without context, it seemed very meh. But after playing it, it was god like.

Same with Ragnarok. I've seen the ending boss and read about the whole story, but now I'm even more hyped to experience it.
 
"you can't rate if this game is good or bad because you are not a game developer."

Also, if you are only legible to talk about consoles you own, then there would be almost no xbox discussions on Gaf, since 90 percent of the posts in these discussions are from people never wanting one.

He can say their statement is lame no matter what platform he has?

Maybe he has a PC? God of war will get there eventually.

Of course the game will be spoiled by them, but the same can be said for people not buying the game day one but a month after release.

They game was built to be available to over 20 million god of war fans, a significant enough portion who may not buy the game because they've been spoiled on it. That's 4 years of work drastically impacted by trolls for no fault of your own...

This kid's commentary on it lacks any nuance of the subject matter, because he is a console-warring troll... whose bias is as clear as day and has no inherent interest in god of war or santa monica.
 
Of course not. But I would have at least liked to have not known for certain.

And I get it. Internet Blackout and all that. But I still like browsing GAF with (hopefully) not getting spoilers on the front page and in thread titles without going balls deep into known spoiler threads.
Did you not watch any trailers for the game?
 
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