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[GSG Flash]

This new Saudi regime under Salman is somehow even worse than the old one under Abdullah. This was definitely a calculated move to try to isolate Iran.

It is cute how on every unilateral action the Saudis take, they try to get their friends to join in, no doubt the work of Salman's son Mohammed, the guy's inexperience in almost everything is showing. Next thing we're probably gonna hear from Saudi Arabia is that Pakistan and Lebanon are cutting ties as well and it'll be surprising news to both countries

I'm sure Iran is going to miss their ties with the great economic superpowers of Bahrain and Sudan /s

Why would they regret the nuclear deal. It was a good strategic move. The one they should regret is allowing the revolutionary guards to send a mob out to torch the embassy and consulates. That political blunder has cost them any chance of claiming the high ground.

Except Rouhani has condemned the protesters and Iran has arrested 50 of them. I generally agree though, the Saudi's execution of the cleric was despicable but the attack on the embassy did not help matters.

 

[DragonSworne]

Why do Sunnis and Shiites hate each so much?

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Why do Sunnis and Shiites hate each so much?

It's historical political and it wasn't as bad as today,

Today it's theocracy, Political figures were replaced with Religious figures and what you see now is a Theocracy Vs Monarchy.
The relationship between Saudi Arabia and Iran wasn't that bad during Iran's monarchy days, it's just when the Islamic Revolution in 79 turned Iran from a Monarchy into a Theocracy. The real ruler of Iran is the representative of the lost Imam as Shia belive and has all the power and carries the keys of heaven.

Edit: While Sunnis refuse to grant one figure any form religious class the King of Saudi Arabia is seen similar to a tribe leader but doesn't carry any religious class.

 

[params7]

Bahrain, Sudan and UAE following Saudi Arabia on expelling diplomatic ties with Iran.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35222365

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

I'm expecting Jordan to be next.

 

[ActStriker]

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters 4m4 minutes ago
BREAKING: Saudi Arabia will cut off all commercial ties with Iran, ban its citizens from traveling to Iran: foreign minister

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[Kathian]

Britain also cutting ties which is not a surprise as Britain and Iran have had ongoing issues around the embassy. Don't expect any other Western states to follow suit.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

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The fuck. That's a heavy ban.

 

[spekkeh]

I wonder whether they had any political or much commercial ties to begin with, but if traveling is off limits it's going to be interesting to see whether it impacts the Hajj.

 

[GSG Flash]

Why do Sunnis and Shiites hate each so much?

It comes down to a pissing match for leadership after the death of Muhammad. It is ironic that the most "divine" personality in Islam failed to foresee this and establish a clear line of succession as a preventive measure, but that's religion for you.

Historically, Shia Muslims have been oppressed by Sunni regimes around the region for hundreds of years, so much so that Shias, at one point, had to hide their identities. I think a lot of Shias still hold resentment because of that.

After the establishment of a Shia state in Persia, the issue has largely become geopolitical, as the Persians were always rivals to the Sunni Ottomans, with religion being used as a pretext.

It's historical political and it wasn't as bad as today,

Today it's theocracy, Political figures were replaced with Religious figures and what you see now is a Theocracy Vs Monarchy.
The relationship between Saudi Arabia and Iran wasn't that bad during Iran's monarchy days, it's just when the Islamic Revolution in 79 turned Iran from a Monarchy into a Theocracy. The real ruler of Iran is the representative of the lost Imam as Shia belive and has all the power and carries the keys of heaven.

Edit: While Sunnis refuse to grant one figure any form religious class the King of Saudi Arabia is seen similar to a tribe leader but doesn't carry any religious class.

Not surprisingly, you fail to mention Saudi Arabia's marginalization of and discrimination against Shias after King Faisal(the last good Saudi king) and the hard turn towards wahabbi policies after the 1979 mosque seizure. Not surprisingly, sectarian divisions started showing up after that. Not to mention their support for anti-Shia governments and NGOs.

Take Pakistan for example, both sects lived in peace, intermarried, worked together. But ever since Saudi Arabia has started meddling in Pakistan's affairs and started propping up extremist Madrassas that taught wahabbi ideology, Shias there are getting massacred by Saudi supported terrorist groups.

 

[jimbobsmells]

Britain also cutting ties which is not a surprise as Britain and Iran have had ongoing issues around the embassy. Don't expect any other Western states to follow suit.

What's your source on that? Pathetic if true.

 

[params7]

Britain cutting ties? Well didn't a rich Saudi get out of rape there? What is going on in that country?

Btw at least Pakistan deserves credit for being one nuclear armed Sunny majority country not following Saudis on their bullshit. I feel like they should step up and do more to try and quench the rising sectarianism.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

It comes down to a pissing match for leadership after the death of Muhammad. It is ironic that the most "divine" personality in Islam failed to foresee this and establish a clear line of succession as a preventive measure, but that's religion for you.

Historically, Shia Muslims have been oppressed by Sunni regimes around the region for hundreds of years, so much so that Shias, at one point, had to hide their identities. I think a lot of Shias still hold resentment because of that.

After the establishment of a Shia state in Persia, the issue has largely become geopolitical, as the Persians were always rivals to the Sunni Ottomans, with religion being used as a pretext.



Not surprisingly, you fail to mention Saudi Arabia's marginalization of and discrimination against Shias after King Faisal(the last good Saudi king) and the hard turn towards wahabbi policies after the 1979 mosque seizure. Not surprisingly, sectarian divisions started showing up after that. Not to mention their support for anti-Shia governments and NGOs.

Take Pakistan for example, both sects lived in peace, intermarried, worked together. But ever since Saudi Arabia has started meddling in Pakistan's affairs and started propping up extremist Madrassas that taught wahabbi ideology, Shias there are getting massacred by Saudi supported terrorist groups.

Go read the recent story of Kawthar AL Abrash a Shia Saudi women that lost her son in the recent bombings of Shia's mosque,
After she losing her son she wrote a beautiful article that inspired Sunnis before Shia's.

 

[Starsailor]

What's your source on that? Pathetic if true.

I think that's true they don't have an embassy.
I'm still thinkinh his is just a message of advertissment. Saoudia don't want war. Iran neither.

 

[AxelFoley]

It's depressing to know that the USA will end up backing the KSA in any conflict between the two states.

 

[jimbobsmells]

Go read the recent story of Kawthar AL Abrash a Shia Saudi women that lost her son in the recent bombings of Shia's mosque,
After she losing her son she wrote a beautiful article that inspired Sunnis before Shia's.

I'm totally confused as to what that has to do with anything. I get why you are patriotic but seriously dude, try and see the other side for once.

I think that's true they don't have an embassy.
I'm still thinkinh his is just a message of advertissment. Saoudia don't want war. Iran neither.

Britain and Iran opened embassies again in August.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/23/iran-reopens-embassy-london-britain-tehran

 

[Starsailor]

I'm totally confused as to what that has to do with anything. I get why you are patriotic but seriously dude, try and see the other side for once.


Britain and Iran opened embassies again in August.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/23/iran-reopens-embassy-london-britain-tehran

well that's recent. I don't think the closure of an embassy is a sign of war.
I see some crazy complotist guys screaming "world war 3" each time there is something. I don't know how those guys can live, they think it's call of duty or what?

Besides I just read an article, the majority of the newspapers and many politics in Iran condmned the attack of the ambassy. I read also that Saudi killed that cheikh because it was the price to make a coalition anti-ISIS to calm cown the integrist in Saudi Arabia.

It's just
Iran: "hey why are you angry Saudi Arabia?We condemned those attacks and those who did that will pay:"
S.A: "GHJDFGSFNDSF!!! è_é ".

There is also the religious leader of Iran Khamenei who said bad things but iranien listen less him now. He disaproved the economic evolution of Iran a year ago so...

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Updates
-Iranian Air Crafts are not allowed pass through Saudis Airspace
-The Iranian Ambassador in Riyadh refuses to leave Saudi Arabia and return to Iran
Edit:
The Arab league is holding an urgent meeting on Sunday as requested by Saudi Arabia to look into the attacks on its embassy in Tehran.

 

[jimbobsmells]

There is also the religious leader of Iran Khamenei who said bad things but iranien listen less him now. He disaproved the economic evolution of Iran a year ago so...

Good. Khamenei is a nut job. All the blog and Twitter posts in the world won't convince me otherwise.

 

[ASIS]

I'm totally confused as to what that has to do with anything. I get why you are patriotic but seriously dude, try and see the other side for once.


Britain and Iran opened embassies again in August.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/23/iran-reopens-embassy-london-britain-tehran

With all due respect, SA are not the only ones who need to see the other side.

 

[jimbobsmells]

With all due respect, SA are not the only ones who need to see the other side.

100% totally agree.

 

[Starsailor]

Good. Khamenei is a nut job. All the blog and Twitter posts in the world won't convince me otherwise.

well i'm not iranian and i don't know things about Middle East but i saw many interview of citizens who listen music (even american music like taylor swift or bruno mars or others!) and before it was not allowed (to liste music). Even womens are more free. It's like the north corea but in reverse: everyone think it's bad inside and it's become more and more good. They even have snow station, great hotel ... i saw many articles and videos about how iran developped since 2014, at one point i remember that Qatar consider Iran as a touristic competition. Even Iranian said thay want to change the vision of Iran around the world.
So no i don't think Iran wants a war. At this point it's saudia and his friends who freak out (for en embassy).

 

[Azih]

What exactly does Saudi Arabia want Iran to do? 40 people have been arrested in Iran for the attack on the embassy. This isn't like the Hostage crisis by any means.

 

[Starsailor]

What exactly does Saudi Arabia want Iran to do? 40 people have been arrested in Iran for the attack on the embassy. This isn't like the Hostage crisis by any means.

It's look like they want something. In fact i don't think that this will escalate as a war because Iran don't want to fight. Besides, national organisation want to stop this (for economical reasons).
Well...Russia wants to be the mediator between the two countries.

 

[RustyNails]

Definitely a massive over reaction by KSA. They're trying to isolate Iran especially since the west is re-establishing ties with them.

 

[Starsailor]

Definitely a massive over reaction by KSA. They're trying to isolate Iran especially since the west is re-establishing ties with them.

Exactly Yeasterday on a news channel, a women specialist in Middle East said KSA is afraid of his future position if US and Russian help Iran Economy.
I think US , EU and russia condemned the execution.
It's a good thing that de relationship between Iran and USA are more "good" now , this situation could be worse... I'm French and in our country, our president don't want to trade with Iran and was against that....i don't understand this position but well...

 

[Azih]

Definitely a massive over reaction by KSA. They're trying to isolate Iran especially since the west is re-establishing ties with them.

And they're doing it in such a ridiculously clumsy way. The Saudi posturing is bizarre and makes it hard for their allies to support them especially because they are the ones who instigated the incident.

Saudi hegemony over the Middle East was always weak in the long term as it is built on massive amounts of oil revenue. Instead of building solid real alliances they've been content with paying off people while continuing to act like arrogant tools. Now that the long term has reduced to the medium turn they're acting like petulant children as their privilege starts to show signs of slipping away from them.

I think this might be the clearest indication that we're finally slowly moving to a post oil economy.

 

[M.Bluth]

What exactly does Saudi Arabia want Iran to do? 40 people have been arrested in Iran for the attack on the embassy. This isn't like the Hostage crisis by any means.

Considering how the new king and his government are running things, I doubt they really know what they want. Well, they might, but they certainly won't get it. They've been very rash and reactionary in a way that oozes inexperience and idiocy.

They can't even keep a minister for more than 3 months...

Anyway, I just hope that this shit doesn't escalate into war. Events like these always empower the fanatics in both sides. On the Iranian side, I bet Rouhani and Zarif are butting their heads against walls with the way Khamenei & co will handle this

 

[gutter_trash]

With all due respect, SA are not the only ones who need to see the other side.

fuck both sides.

Western countries who pick a side between SA or Iran are evil enablers

both the Sauds and Iran are evil.

Western democracies should not shield theocratic regimes who commit human rights atrocities just because of oil.

The UK propped up the Sauds a century ago; they are in bed with them

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Mohammed al Nimr on Twitter according to the Lebanese AL Saffer newspaper after the attacks "I really appreciate all the empathy toward my brother the martyr but at the same time refuse the attacks on the embassy in Iran or others, we love our country ".

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

 

[Buba Big Guns]

Lmao KSA

This will probably backfire on them like every single recent foreign policy move they've made.

From supporting ISIS and al Qaeda and exporting their fucked up ideology, just a despicable government.

 

[Azih]

Considering the further comment would say that Iran cracked down on the attackers I kinda think excising the context is kind of ridiculous.

 

[Starsailor]

but...WTF?
Iran arrested those who did that and they condemned the attack against KSA embassy...

 

[ASIS]

Lmao KSA

This will probably backfire on them like every single recent foreign policy move they've made.

From supporting ISIS and al Qaeda and exporting their fucked up ideology, just a despicable government.

Again, where can I read how KSA is supporting ISIS? Cause honestly I am still dumbfounded by this statement.

 

[jimbobsmells]

Again, where can I read how KSA is supporting ISIS? Cause honestly I am still dumbfounded by this statement.

You mean by the state? You can't because they aren't.
If you mean the potential support by wealthy private donors within SA then you'll only find hearsay, nothing concrete.
There are plenty of articles which touch on alleged support though, e.g: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/saudi-funding-of-isis

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

It may captured some of the attackers but what about the Security forces as your seeing in that picture, they stood doing nothing.

 

[dabig2]

Considering who was the aggressor in this recent conflagration, that comparison pic is hilarious.

 

[GSG Flash]

Again, where can I read how KSA is supporting ISIS? Cause honestly I am still dumbfounded by this statement.

Not exactly an outlandish statement considering Saudi Arabia and Saudis have a history of supporting terrorist groups:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-saudis-largest-source-of-terror-funds/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-officials-linked-to-jihadist-group-in-wikileaks-cables-1435529198

Coupled with the fact that Saudi Arabia is obsessed with Iran and the rise of Shia Islam:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/17/world/middleeast/wikileaks-saudi-arabia-iran.html

And currently the most prominent anti-Shia group in the middle east is ISIS, you can put the two and two together.

A Syria and Iraq weakened by ISIS hurts Iran, it actually would be more surprising if Saudi Arabia wasn't supporting ISIS covertly.

 

[DragonSworne]

Iran didn't execute a Sunni leader to incite violence....

 

[Anoregon]

Man that tweet is some highschool teenager-level "man this is DEEP" silliness.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Iran didn't execute a Sunni leader to incite violence....

No just a few hundreds over the years.
Executions of Sunni preachers, activists continue in Iran

 

[Jag]

but...WTF?
Iran arrested those who did that and they condemned the attack against KSA embassy...

Iran allowed the attack to send a message. They "arrested" some of them so they don't have to defend their actions. Iran is known for using proxies to do their dirty work so they can claim that they never do anything wrong. Seems to work on some Gaffers too.

 

[GSG Flash]

No just a few hundreds over the years.
Executions of Sunni preachers, activists continue in Iran

Hey look, another sensationalist headline on an Al Arabiya article with no substance to back it up. The Saudi propaganda machine is going at full throttle.

I'm surprised Al Arabiya articles are allowed to be posted here

I wouldn't doubt that Iran has executed Sunni clerics(capital punishment in Iran is just as disgusting as in Saudi Arabia), but Al Arabiya is a trash news source with questionable integrity on par with RT and PressTV.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Hey look, another sensationalist headline on an Al Arabiya article with no substance to back it up. The Saudi propaganda machine is going at full throttle.

I'm surprised Al Arabiya articles are allowed to be posted here

I wouldn't doubt that Iran has executed Sunni clerics(capital punishment in Iran is just as disgusting as in Saudi Arabia), but Al Arabiya is a trash news source with questionable integrity on par with RT and PressTV.

Don't look at the article and look on the sources of their claim

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

UAE minister of Foreign Affairs to Dubai TV: "It was our duty after the latest Iranian events just to say we had enough and reducing the diplomatic presence was an result of accumulation"

 

[GSG Flash]

Don't look at the article and look on the sources of their claim

What sources?

They source Amnesty International and a UN Special Rapport on Iran, neither mention anything about Sunni clerics and only comment about the high number of executions in Iran, nothing that's a surprise or news to anyone.

You have a throwaway statement sourcing Turkey's own propaganda news source and another throwaway statement naming two names, one of whom doesn't seem to exist at all outside of the heads of Al Arabiya's writers(as Google brings up nothing on him).

 

[RustyNails]

What sources?

They source Amnesty International and a UN Special Rapport on Iran, neither mention anything about Sunni clerics and only comment about the high number of executions in Iran, nothing that's a surprise or news to anyone.

You have a throwaway statement sourcing Turkey's own propaganda news source and another throwaway statement naming two names, one of whom doesn't seem to exist at all outside of the heads of Al Arabiya's writers(as Google brings up nothing on him).

http://sunniprisonersiran.com/ ?

 

[GSG Flash]

http://sunniprisonersiran.com/ ?

Yup, that site definitely looks credible.

So credible that they don't even provide any sources for their reports /s

Did you even check the website before you posted it?

 

[ASIS]

Not exactly an outlandish statement considering Saudi Arabia and Saudis have a history of supporting terrorist groups:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-saudis-largest-source-of-terror-funds/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-officials-linked-to-jihadist-group-in-wikileaks-cables-1435529198

Coupled with the fact that Saudi Arabia is obsessed with Iran and the rise of Shia Islam:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/17/world/middleeast/wikileaks-saudi-arabia-iran.html

And currently the most prominent anti-Shia group in the middle east is ISIS, you can put the two and two together.

A Syria and Iraq weakened by ISIS hurts Iran, it actually would be more surprising if Saudi Arabia wasn't supporting ISIS covertly.

"Putting two and two together" is not what I requested. As of yet it is safe to say any claim of Saudi Arabia's support of ISIS is pure conjecture if this is everything that you can present.