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Saudi Arabia: Woman beheaded in public for supposedly murdering stepdaughter...

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ItWasMeantToBe19

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SolidusDave said:
Mh, might be my bloodlust speaking, but as a general idea that doesn't sound so bad depending on the severity of the crime / psychological profile for the chance of repeat offense.
Although do they even often trial a male rapist in these places? And aren't the female victims punished as well in some cases?
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Insanely cruel and unusual punishment towards rapists could encourage women who are raped not to speak out out of an idea of the horror their rapists would have to go through. Plus, it harms the odds of rehabilitation as their lives are more stunted than before. I don't think it's good idea.
 
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PopeReal said:
Honest question. How do you know beyond any doubt that this woman should be dead?
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Seeing that its Saudi Arabia, its probably doubtful that she was given a fair trial. But that charge is too messed up to have been faked like that. What if she really did rape her kid to death with a broomstick? In that case I have no sympathy for her..
 
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RustyNails said:
You have read the story, right? she beat and raped their step daughter to death with a broomstick. No one is saying KSA is a beacon of judicial fairness, but that manner of death is way too fucking specific to have been simply cooked up.
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And because the investigation and judicial procedure are fucked there's a good chance she didn't do it. This is disgusting.
 
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RSP

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Zaph said:
Yeah, who needs algebra anyway, huh?
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Oh you're right, I guess we should give them some slack. I mean they should be entitled to one or two public executions in exchange for all that algebra they gave us, right?
 
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UTIII

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kruis said:
Sharia law is a court of law now?
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Yes they have courts, multiple judges for serious crimes, defence teams, prosecuting teams, evidence etc you know trials.

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/research/saudiarabia/criminal_proceedure.html

PopeReal said:
I love how you know she is guilty. Saudia Arabia "law' can go fuck itself.
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I guess that's the job of the courts who have decided she is guilty after deliberation, rather than randoms making judgments off a couple of paragraphs from an article.

Beefy said:
Even if she is guilty, beheaded isn't right let alone beheading in public.
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It's a form of capital punishment, swift death. If your against capital punishment as a whole I can understand.
 
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You Are Viewtiful

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RustyNails said:
Seeing that its Saudi Arabia, its probably doubtful that she was given a fair trial. But that charge is too messed up to have been faked like that. What if she really did rape her kid to death with a broomstick? In that case I have no sympathy for her..
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Governments accusing people of rape is a classic way to destroy someone's reputation.
 
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RustyNails said:
Seeing that its Saudi Arabia, its probably doubtful that she was given a fair trial. But that charge is too messed up to have been faked like that. What if she really did rape her kid to death with a broomstick? In that case I have no sympathy for her..
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"In that case" you have no sympathy for her. We have no clue if she is guilty or not.

I have sympathy for her because killing people in the street is wrong and I have no idea if she even got close to a fair trial.
 
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EASTC0AST_GH05T

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wow that's horrible. I can't believe there are actually people actually able to watch that. I would be scarred for life from hearing her final screams and seeing that.
 
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Zaph

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RustyNails said:
Seeing that its Saudi Arabia, its probably doubtful that she was given a fair trial. But that charge is too messed up to have been faked like that. What if she really did rape her kid to death with a broomstick? In that case I have no sympathy for her..
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Considering the status quo in Saudi Arabia, there's a good chance the crime was indeed committed, but by an 'untouchable' and the step mother was a convenient scapegoat.

RSP said:
Oh you're right, I guess we should give them some slack. I mean they should be entitled to one or two public executions in exchange for all that algebra they gave us, right?
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I did not insinuate that at all, in fact, part of my post you quoted condemned the act.

I was merely pointing out the ridiculousness of being "done" with everything Middle Eastern.
 
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UTIII said:
Yes they have courts, multiple judges for serious crimes, defence teams, prosecuting teams, evidence etc you know trials.

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/research/saudiarabia/criminal_proceedure.html



I guess that's the job of the courts who have decided she is guilty after deliberation, rather than randoms making judgments off a couple of paragraphs from an article.



It's a form of capital punishment, swift death. If your against capital punishment as a whole I can understand.
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What is a nail gun with a foot long nail hanging in front of your eye with cameras rolling going to be? A "swift death"?
 
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fawaz

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You Are Viewtiful said:
It took 3 SLASHES before she was finally decapitated.

And I don't trust the trials in those country. Where is the father? If she was married to a Saudi then I give it a 90% chance that she's innocent.
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I am a Saudi man, and as far as I know raping a child with a broomstick isn't really a popular pass time?

So tell me why should we ignore the trial and take your briliant analysis.
 
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UTIII

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PopeReal said:
1. Murdering someone in the street is wrong.

2. Saudi Arabia can fuck off with their idea of "trials". They are a joke.
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1) Murdering someone in a room surrounded by the "victims" family, reporters and others is ok?

2) At least provide some evidence that she was innocent. At present we have a court and multiple judges handing out a guilty sentence, on the other we have you...hmme
 
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RustyNails said:
What did the Government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia had against her? Was she a spy?
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Honestly wouldn't surprise me if she's married to a Saudi who killed the child. The way the article is written, it sounds like she is married to someone with multiple wives. ("killing husband's young daughter" instead of "killing her own daughter"), which further leads me to believe she married a Saudi man.

In any Gulf Arab country, in a native vs. foreigner trial, the native will always win. Wasta and all that, it's plain corruption.
 
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Kinyou

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Man, this is fucked up. Is this happening on some random parking lot? Unbelievable that this is actually sanctioned by their government.
 
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Valhelm

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fawaz said:
Also, what part of the execution was brutal? If I had a choice between decapitation and electrocution, I'd choose decapitation all day every day.
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I actually agree with you here. Beheading is probably not that much more painful than the electric chair or the three-drug injection, and both arrive at the same end. Personally, I'm against all form of capital punishment. Using a sword is not more brutal than a "modern" technique.

Regardless, there was absolutely no reason for this to be made public. And her death won't deter criminals. Not a single person will say "I'm not going to kill my daughter!" after hearing about this. Imprisoning her for life would have the exact same effect, and probably be more punishing to the woman.

I'm also unconvinced that this woman had a completely fair trial, even if she did brutally murder her stepdaughter.
 
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UTIII said:
1) Murdering someone in a room surrounded by the "victims" family, reporters and others is ok?

2) At least provide some evidence that she was innocent. At present we have a court and multiple judges handing out a guilty sentence, on the other we have you...hmme
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Murdering someone is wrong either way. And if you trust those kind of trials then good luck to you.

Too bad we will never know because she is dead. But you don't give a fuck about that.
 
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UTIII said:
Yes they have courts, multiple judges for serious crimes, defence teams, prosecuting teams, evidence etc you know trials.

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/research/saudiarabia/criminal_proceedure.html



I guess that's the job of the courts who have decided she is guilty after deliberation, rather than randoms making judgments off a couple of paragraphs from an article.



It's a form of capital punishment, swift death. If your against capital punishment as a whole I can understand.
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I cant beleive someone here is defending the saudi's primitive and brutal Sharia Law.
Human rights in Saudi Arabia are intended to be based on Islamic religious laws under absolute rule of the Saudi royal family.

The authoritarian regime ruling Saudi Arabia has one of the worst human rights records in the world, consistently ranking among the "worst of the worst" in Freedom House's annual survey of political and civil rights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia
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fawaz said:
I am a Saudi man, and as far as I know raping a child with a broomstick isn't really a popular pass time?

So tell me why should we ignore the trial and take your briliant analysis.
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Answer one question. Do you think you'd be treated the same as a foreign national if tried for a crime in a Saudi Arabian court?
 
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fawaz

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PopeReal said:
I feel sorry for you and your ignorance.
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You and all the other idiots that can only pass judgement and express their disgust, and can't formulate an argument or opinion add nothing to this thread and have no place in a discussion forum.
 
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RSP

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Zaph said:
I did not insinuate that at all, in fact, part of my post you quoted condemned the act.

I was merely pointing out the ridiculousness of being "done" with everything Middle Eastern.
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I dont know how much terrorism and messed up "governments" you can endure, but I've had enough of it. Shit like this reaches me on TV, newspapers, radio and the internet on a daily basis, and I'm sick and tired of hearing about it.
 
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ZiZ

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So, a convicted child murderer and rapist is given capital punishment = Animals stuck in the middle ages

But, thousands of people targeted in their own homes by drone strikes with no trail, and thousands more killed as collateral damage = civilized

gotcha.
 
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UTIII

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PopeReal said:
Murdering someone is wrong either way. And if you trust those kind of trials then good luck to you.

Too bad we will never know because she is dead. But you don't give a fuck about that.
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So you are against capital punishment? understood.

We do, the courts have decided, and like I said I'm sure they had evidence against her hence the guilty sentencing.
 
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Siegcram

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Are some people here seriously advocating beheading as a reasonable method of execution?

What year is it again?

The fact that there's a sharia law defense force doesn't even surprise me, but give me a break.
 
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Valhelm

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ZiZ said:
So, a convicted child murderer and rapist is given capital punishment = Animals stuck in the middle ages

But, thousands of people targeted in their own homes by drone strikes with no trail, and thousands more killed as collateral damage = civilized

gotcha.
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Yeah, that's a bit hypocritical.

But do you realize that many of the people criticizing this killing (including myself) also protest the US drone policy?
 
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Siegcram

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ZiZ said:
So, a convicted child murderer and rapist is given capital punishment = Animals stuck in the middle ages

But, thousands of people targeted in their own homes by drone strikes with no trail, and thousands more killed as collateral damage = civilized

gotcha.
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And this comparison was made by whom exactly? Gtfo with your disingenuous bullshit.
 
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Zaph

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fawaz said:
Yes. Plenty of Saudies whocommit crimes are executed.
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Then you're either completely ignorant of the goings on in your own country and the lopsided way the law is applied, or you're a fool.

fawaz said:
You and all the other idiots that can only pass judgement and express their disgust, and can't formulate an argument or opinion add nothing to this thread and have no place in a discussion forum.
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Latter it is.
 
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PopeReal

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ZiZ said:
So, a convicted child murderer and rapist is given capital punishment = Animals stuck in the middle ages

But, thousands of people targeted in their own homes by drone strikes with no trail, and thousands more killed as collateral damage = civilized

gotcha.
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Where was that in the OP again? Oh wait you are just pulling this out of your ass.
 
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fawaz

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Valhelm said:
I actually agree with you here. Beheading is probably not that much more painful than the electric chair or the three-drug injection, and both arrive at the same end. Personally, I'm against all form of capital punishment. Using a sword is not more brutal than a "modern" technique.

Regardless, there was absolutely no reason for this to be made public. And her death won't deter criminals. Not a single person will say "I'm not going to kill my daughter!" after hearing about this. Imprisoning her for life would have the exact same effect, and probably be more punishing to the woman.

I'm also unconvinced that this woman had a completely fair trial, even if she did brutally murder her stepdaughter.
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I agree with you on the public aspect. As for the the actual death sentance, that's a topic that has been discussed to death.

This will probably be my last post for tonight. I am leaving my family for a year and a half tonight and would like to spend some time with them.
 
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moggio

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UTIII said:
We do, the courts have decided, and like I said I'm sure they had evidence against her hence the guilty sentencing.
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I think you need to research women's (lack of) rights in Saudi Arabia as well as the corruption of their judicial system.
 
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