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[KingFire]

I hope the US/Obama will speak out against this just like they did with ISIS

 

[Messofanego]

It's horrible. I read about this last night and checked up that Saudi Arabia is one of the only countries that still do quite a lot of beheadings. They try to justify it religiously with a verse from the Quran (Surat 47 verse 4) but the verse isn't explicit in beheading and is given the context of a religious war. Not criminals, murderers, or rapists. Even if these people are sentenced for corporal punishment, you need a lot of witnesses and credible evidence and in most of these Saudi Arabia beheadings that is not the case.

When comparing corporal punishment, they say it's more humane than lethal injections and electrocution in USA but not all executions use a sword and do it in one clean strike.

As usual, idiots twist the words of a Quran to meet their barbaric desires and then they continue a practice enough times to become part of cultural traditions. Saudi Arabia has been looked down by the rest of muslims as being the worst of the worst for a long time and that country has done nothing to improve its image. Until international countries put Saudi Arabia on blast for their hateful practices, not much will change.

Away from this case, the reasons for executions are often political, such as killing terrorists publicly so it sends a message to Taliban, Al Qaeda and also not let them use hostage ransom to free prisoners.

 

[King_Moc]

I can't say that I trust a judgement from any Saudi court that concerns women.

 

[mario_O]

It's an Islamic country, I'm not surprised they have laws that criminalise acts against the religion.

You are not surprised..right. But do you think its ok that he was sentenced to ten years and 1.000 lashes? Do you think its fair?

 

[Winterfang]

Was it like a clean chop or was it like a sawing motion?

There's no clean to behead someone struggling in the streets .

 

[speculawyer]

Like its relationship with Israel, the USA often speaks out certain things and makes requests (such as not flogging the blogger and not building more settlements on the West Bank), but the requests are often ignored and we don't do anything. Various countries are just not always going to agree on things. At least we go on record expressing our displeasure but I wish we had more balls to impose consequences for things that we really view as bad (such as the endless settlement building).

 

[Messofanego]

Here's a good article from Al Jazeera.

What's behind the spike in Saudi beheadings?

There is no reasonable legal structure:

The legal system of Saudi Arabia is based on Sharia, Islamic law. Unlike other countries that use Sharia for legal guidance, Saudi Arabia does not possess a codified legal system, though attempts in this direction began in 2010. Since the country does not have a formal penal code, it leaves judges free to hand out sentences based on their interpretations of Islamic law.

Left to vindictive judges:

Khaled Abou El Fadl, a professor of Islamic law at UCLA, told Al Jazeera that Saudi law is based on two separate systems. In business matters, it is sophisticated. In civil law, however, Islamic courts retain jurisdiction. "What this has amounted to is Sharia courts staffed by judges who are completely disconnected from modern criminal law," he said. "The amount of discretion left to judges is monumental", so that "there is no way to guarantee a fair trial".

According to Abou El Fadl, judges in civil courts have also become more vicious in their application of Islamic law, as they vent their frustrations against what they perceive to be the un-Islamic behaviour of foreigners or members of the royal family.

Saudi Arabia really is the wild wild east:

For Abou El Fadl, however, this is not a question of East versus West:

"I think it's the consensus of Muslim, educated experts that [in Saudi Arabia] there is abuse of a legal system that's being applied out of its historical context … There is discretion and anarchy. It's politicised, racialised, and classist," he said.

So in order for Saudi Arabia to get its head out of its ass, sanctions and other kinds of international pressures need to happen.

 

[Exr]

Both countries are pretty bad in their own ways. But I've been in Saudi when an execution was happening and it was pretty surreal. Made me feel really sick. I've been twice for business and I don't really want to go again.

But yes it is pretty hypocritical for people to be saying "barbarians!" while their own country does some pretty despicable stuff as well.

By your logic nobody can say shit about anyone then. People saying that these countries that implement these dumb archaic laws are ass backwards usually arent giving their own countries a free pass. I live in Canada, and while we arent perfect we sure as shit dont behead people in parking lots. It is barbaric and the Saudi government is fucked, period.

 

[The Incarnation]

I hope the US/Obama will speak out against this just like they did with ISIS

 

[RELAYER]

Amazing how fast "Well the USA is bad too" got posted.
Like clockwork lol.

 

[kitch9]

it's more about the attitude that people display in these threads. using words like "savages" and whatnot when their country is no better.



I'm not defending the Saudi government, I'm just pissed at the hypocrisy in these types of threads.

There wouldn't be drone strikes if murderous head chopping perpetually offended religious nutjobs didn't exist.

 

[The Incarnation]

You and all the other idiots that can only pass judgement and express their disgust, and can't formulate an argument or opinion add nothing to this thread and have no place in a discussion forum.

The argument is quite simple, any idiot with a lesson in history could tell you that.

The more brutal the punishment, the more corrupt the justice system is.

You may as well believe she was a witch and have her burnt her at the stake.


Don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust a bunch of nutters who gleefully behead a woman in the street with "Detailed Evidence"

Township mentality.

 

[JeanGrey]

Thoughts? I've seen the video on LiveLeak, it's pretty brutal and the woman supposedly is screaming she is innocent till the very end. There isn't any more on the case I could gleam, but supposedly she was charged and tried somewhat quickly. Her brutal public execution is said to be used as a fear tactic to try and keep others in line. There are only 4 countries in the world that permit decapitation as an official state sanctioned punishment for a crime, Iran, Qatar, Yemen and Saudi Arabia, while Saudi Arabia is the only one who still practices it. The execution itself is pretty crazy, not only in front of everyone, but that it takes the executioner nearly three strikes with the blade to do the job.

I don't know if this woman was innocent or not. I do know that Saudi Arabia is known for their human injustice especially towards women. I haven't seen the video nor I plan to, but if I read correctly this woman cried and screamed until the very end that she was innocent and was accusing them of injustice. This is a bit hard to ignore. Maybe the judgement was too quick to come to their conclusion? Not to mention having the execution on the streets...

 

[gutter_trash]

if a woman does not have right to drive or to vote, how ydo ou can expect them to have to right to be properly defended by an attorney?

 

[The Incarnation]

You guys NEED to stop thinking every country in the middle east is the same. It's so fucking irritating. Saudi/Afghanistan/Iraq are not the same as the UAE or Kuwait. There are some areas that are really peaceful.

Yet in the UAE you get the death penatly for saying you're an atheist.

 

[Frog-fu]

Fucking savages.

7th this year its only been 18 days

What kind of reaction is this?

 

[Joel Was Right]

In many Muslim countries where public executions are held, a public gathering for the local populace is often mandatory. The point of these executions is two-fold.

1) Punishment
2) To incite fear in others who dare commit similar crimes.

 

[Messofanego]

Yet in the UAE you get the death penatly for saying you're an atheist.

Yeah, I really wouldn't prop up UAE at all as a good contrast against Saudi Arabia. Well known for sentencing people for opinions. Hasn't signed many labour and human rights treaties (those expensive buildings won't build themselves!). Still has no women's rights organisation. Still uses sharia courts, which bleeds into civil/criminal courts. Human rights abuses and UAE are bed pals.

http://www.hrw.org/middle-eastn-africa/united-arab-emirates

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/ex...ts-Watch-warns-expat-women-about-the-UAE.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates

 

[cackhyena]

In many Muslim countries where public executions are held, a public gathering for the local populace is often mandatory. The point of these executions is two-fold.

1) Punishment
2) To incite fear in others who dare commit similar crimes.

Funny how it doesn't work. Ever.

 

[Nesotenso]

Funny how it doesn't work. Ever.

don't know about that, the Gulf Arab countries have always seemed safer to me when it comes to violent crime.

 

[Forsete]

Ugh. What a shitty place to live. :/

[Bush holding hands with Saudi king or whatever]

 

[ComputerMKII]

don't know about that, the Gulf Arab countries have always seemed safer to me when it comes to violent crime.

As if the executions themselves and oppression of the masses weren't crimes

 

[BreezyLimbo]

As if the executions themselves and oppression of the masses weren't crimes

Different parts of the world. Not all of the world can be Western.

 

[SapientWolf]

don't know about that, the Gulf Arab countries have always seemed safer to me when it comes to violent crime.

Doesn't seem that safe for women.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Yet in the UAE you get the death penatly for saying you're an atheist.

Link? Not to the actual law, but it actually being applied?

I went to highschool in Kuwait, and I would say 25-30% of my class were atheist, and a lot more were hesitant about talking about God. It would surprise me if what we were practicing was punishable by death.

 

[neorej]

Beheading Defense Force? That's a new one.

You must be new here.

 

[Sapphire Dreams]

I hate the fact that we're neighbors with such country (I am from Kuwait BTW). Not all Saudis are bad of course but man...

 

[The Incarnation]

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[Always-honest]

Sure as hell not going to watch. But it sounds like they were in a hurry to "judge" her.
Some weird brutal shit.

 

[Trouble]

Dependence on oil can't end soon enough so the world will stop playing nice with these backward fucks.

Edit: speaking specifically about Saudia Arabia if that's not clear

 

[black_13]

Find it really sad how little you hear about this news story cause it's Saudi Arabia and they are an ally of US/Canada. They basically get away with anything they want to do. All I ever hear about that country is negatives. Their funding ISIS and basically fucking up every other country around them.

 

[Xcellere]

You must be new here.

I've seen Sharia DF, ISIS DF, al-Qaeda DF, and a slew of others, but beheading is a new one to me. Doesn't surprise me though.

 

[GSG Flash]

Maybe she should refrain from raping he daughters with broomsticks till death.

Also, what part of the execution was brutal? If I had a choice between decapitation and electrocution, I'd choose decapitation all day every day.

What part was brutal? Try this part:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...er-set-to-receive-second-lashing-9982134.html

Authorities in Saudi Arabia have publicly beheaded a woman in Islam’s holy city of Mecca, prompting further criticism of the country’s human rights record.

Laila Bint Abdul Muttalib Basim, a Burmese woman who resided in Saudi Arabia, was executed by sword on Monday after being dragged through the street and held down by four police officers.

She was convicted of the sexual abuse and murder of her seven-year-old step-daughter.

A video showed how it took three blows to complete the execution, while the woman screamed “I did not kill. I did not kill.” It has now been removed by YouTube as part of its policy on “shocking and disgusting content”.

There are two ways to behead people according to Mohammed al-Saeedi, a human rights activist: “One way is to inject the prisoner with painkillers to numb the pain and the other is without the painkiller,” he told the Middle East Eye.

This woman was beheaded without painkillers – they wanted to make the pain more powerful for her.”

The Saudi Ministry of the Interior said in a statement that it believed the sentence was warranted due to the severity of the crime.

The beheading is part of an alarming trend, which has seen the kingdom execute seven people in the first two weeks of this year. In 2014 the number of executions rose to 87, from 78 in 2013.

It took three strikes to behead her and they tried to make it as painful as possible.

It's people like you will keep that backwards barbaric nation from progressing.

 

[Valhelm]

it's more about the attitude that people display in these threads. using words like "savages" and whatnot when their country is no better.

The difference is that the US does not execute publicly.

But we still execute people, so we're really not much better.

 

[Nesotenso]

As if the executions themselves and oppression of the masses weren't crimes

what makes one form of capital punishment superior over the other?

and you very well know I wasn't talking about the freedoms that are denied to the citizens when I was referring to crime.

 

[DarkKyo]

This planet man...

If it makes you feel any better its probably not just our planet. I'm sure conquest, murder, and barbarism are a major part of many, many species and civilizations across the universe. Most if not all intelligent species probably had to kill and survive in increasingly creative ways to get to the evolutionary pinnacle they are at to be so smart. Cruelty and violence like this is probably not unique to this planet at all.

 

[FZZ]

I fucking despise the leadership of Saudi Arabia.

Inexcusable. A perfect example of backwards people who got rich and created their own bigoted view of the world and oppress groups of people who they deem "lesser" than them. Fucking disgusting.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

Remember people : they are our allies. Decapitation matters only when it's the "bad guys" who do it.

 

[speculawyer]

Here's a good article from Al Jazeera.

What's behind the spike in Saudi beheadings?

There is no reasonable legal structure:


Left to vindictive judges:


Saudi Arabia really is the wild wild east:


So in order for Saudi Arabia to get its head out of its ass, sanctions and other kinds of international pressures need to happen.

But no one is going to do anything because we are all addicted to the oil.

Eventually, the oil will run out, the price of oil will collapse, a war will start, an internal succession crisis will happen, or something such that Saudi regime collapses and chaos will ensue.

Lots of people have been suggesting that the regime is unstable and will fall apart eventually. But they've been saying that for many years and it still stands.

I think it is quite stable and will last for many years to come because they have lots of money coming in, they spread the money around reasonably well, they spend a lot of money on security, they do this kind of sharia because that is what the locals want, and outside countries (like us) support them because they play ball and don't rock the boat too much.

But I do think that it will eventually collapse, all the rich people will leave to western countries where they've stashed money, and it will become more like the other countries in the region. But I don't see that happening any time soon . . . that's a long way aways.

 

[CREMSteve]

Tis a messed up world we live in.

 

[speculawyer]

I fucking despise the leadership of Saudi Arabia.

Inexcusable. A perfect example of backwards people who got rich and created their own bigoted view of the world and oppress groups of people who they deem "lesser" than them. Fucking disgusting.

I question whether you should only blame the leadership. Often times the leadership would like to liberalize many things but the local population wants strict religious laws.

Dictators are not completely immune to the views of the people. As a Saudi Royalty once said "When you lose the people in a democracy, you lose your political office . . . when you lose the people in a monarchy, you lose your head." So a lot of the things they do are because that is what the people want.

 

[Koodo]

I am a Saudi man

lol, how convenient.

 

[lednerg]

It's cute how some think this was the result of an actual trial in a court of law.

 

[wildfire]

So, a convicted child murderer and rapist is given capital punishment = Animals stuck in the middle ages

But, thousands of people targeted in their own homes by drone strikes with no trial, and thousands more killed as collateral damage = civilized

gotcha.

it's more about the attitude that people display in these threads. using words like "savages" and whatnot when their country is no better.



I'm not defending the Saudi government, I'm just pissed at the hypocrisy in these types of threads.

You have a fair point about how the tone of these types of threads are different even if it isn't the same people making such comments.

If it is the same people who don't mind calling people in that region savages for following a brutal judicial process who, at best, denounce the drone strikes but would never call their government or America savages there is a problem.

The problem being that they are more willing to dehumanize Saudis, Syrians, etc and be less willing to sympathize with the way they administer justice.

While I can acknowledge that can you acknowledge specifically in this case Saudi Arabia hasn't done anything to prove their form of judicial processes shouldn't be questioned?

 

[Trouble]

lol, how convenient.

Ha, I missed that. It makes total sense. Only someone who benefits from having extreme privilege enshrined in law could so blindly defend this.

 

[markot]

Monsters.

 

[funkypie]

Disgusting filthy country.

 

[Despera]

So it was proven that this woman has severely beat up and raped her 7 yo step daughter. We are talking both vaginal and anal forced penetration with a broom stick here people.

The girl was being beat up for 4 years (yes from the age of 3). Her father received a 20 year jail sentence for allowing this shit to happen (yes the father was aware of what was going on, but allowed it to happen because the girl "needed to be disciplined").

The step mother overdid it this time which lead to the girl's death. There are further details to this case.

While the government may have committed a lot of heinous crimes against humanity, in this case I can't say I disagree with the punishment both the father and stepmother received.

Here's a picture of the girl in the hospital: http://i.imgur.com/meaRDYs.jpg

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Her father was jailed too? Hrm. Here I was thinking that the Dad got away with anything and it was just the mom being punished.

 

[sakipon]

So it was proven that this woman has severely beat up and raped her 7 yo step daughter.

I'm curious, how was it proven that the stepmother did it (and not the father or someone else)?