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I'm not clicking that shit but someone said three chops.
Are you expecting me to defend them?
You are defending the court that they control.
Against my best interests, I watched the video. It was a couple of chops.
ZiZ
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it's more about the attitude that people display in these threads. using words like "savages" and whatnot when their country is no better.
I'm not defending the Saudi government, I'm just pissed at the hypocrisy in these types of threads.
near
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This story makes me sad. What would possess someone to brutally beat to death a 6 year old girl and rape her with a broomstick? Not only was she not the mother of this child but she was married to the father of that child right? She wasn't an Arab, she was of Burmese nationality (automatically meaning she isn't getting a fair trial over there). The whole thing just sounds fucked up, unfair, and I've got a gut feeling she was innocent.
Actually 10th. 87 people last year, up from 78 in 2013.
Rygar 8 Bit said:7th this year its only been 18 days
Actually 10th. 87 people last year, up from 78 in 2013.
I guess that comes down to if you oppose capital punishment or not.
At present she has been found guilty by a court of law for murdering a child savagely, their is at present no evidence to prove otherwise.
So what it boils to, is the crime worth of capital punishment, if you don't have a problem with capital punishment.
Or you are simply against capital punishment.
mario_O
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So you think its ok to cut off a womans head, with a sword, in a parking lot? Okey...
And what about this...
Torture
Torture and other ill-treatment of detainees is common, widespread and generally committed with impunity.Reported methods included beating, suspension by the limbs and sleep deprivation. Those tortured reportedly included detained protesters, who were held incommunicado for days or weeks without charge or trial.
Corporal punishment
In the 2000s, it was reported that women were sentenced to lashes for adultery; the women were actually victims of rape, but because they could not prove who the perpetrators were, they were deemed guilty of committing adultery.
Women's rights
Saudi women face discrimination in many aspects of their lives, such as the justice system. Although they make up 70% of those enrolled in universities, for social reasons, women make up 5% of the workforce in Saudi Arabia, the lowest proportion in the world. The treatment of women has been referred to as "sex segregation"and "gender apartheid". Implementation of a government resolution supporting expanded employment opportunities for women met resistance from within the labor ministry,from the religious police, and from the male citizenry.
Sharia Law.
You Are Viewtiful
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A family acquaintance from Morocco lived in these areas as a guest worker. Outsiders have virtually no rights. He had to perform sexual services as a servant but there was always a risk that someone found out about it. Had that happened, he would have been executed. Had he refused, the woman would have accused him of abuse and the result would have been the same.
The fact that she was from Myanmar makes me doubt her guilt from the get-go. These countries are complete and utter rat holes as far as their justice system is considered and the locals know how to take advantage of the situation. It is shameful that our western governments pretend like everything is fine.
The fact that she was from Myanmar makes me doubt her guilt from the get-go. These countries are complete and utter rat holes as far as their justice system is considered and the locals know how to take advantage of the situation. It is shameful that our western governments pretend like everything is fine.
Please tone down the ad hominem. First, humans are not infallible so the justice system (human creation) will always be flawed. Just looking at it mathematically and statistically, you are bound to execute some innocent folks. Do you find that morally acceptable? I don't know about you, but I am willing to spare the lives of criminals even if there is .0001 percent chance that they are innocent. Death is something irreversible and I don't want to do to them like they do to others.
How can you ignore the corruption of the Saudi courts and the oppression of women in Saudi society?
How can you believe for one moment she had any hope of a fair trial?
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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how did you do it? how was you able to watch the vid? are you a doctor or EMT? I am not squimish to everything but I have my limits.
What has the persons gender have to do with the punishment? If it was a man (and mostly is) would you highlight his gender with such great significance?
Parking lot or a room surrounded by glass strapped to a chair... guess it doesn't really make a difference and one can be seen as a deterrent.
Sword, lethal injection, electrocution, firing squad... I guess they all are swift and lead to the same thing.
And what about this...
Yes there are many flaws which have been improving under reforms, not fast enough for most.
Yeah, these public executions have really deterred violent behaviour in the Middle East. Such a peaceful place to live.
Cpt.Underpants
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She was screaming at first, then the headsman took a swing. She stopped screaming. And it took a few more to probably sever the head
Phat Michael
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You guys NEED to stop thinking every country in the middle east is the same. It's so fucking irritating. Saudi/Afghanistan/Iraq are not the same as the UAE or Kuwait. There are some areas that are really peaceful.
onadesertedisland
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I think there will be a time when we look back and openly discuss how many of the problems we are currently experiencing world wide are directly caused by the House of Saud and their export of extremist Wahhabbism.
Well the region has been in turmoil with wars for decades which I guess would make the area violent.
Although i'm not sure what that has to do with crime rates in Saudi.
mario_O
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Why do you keep comparing it with death penalty in the U.S? They're both despicable, but the Saudi's leave the dead bodies in public for everybody to see, its disgusting. it's a disgusting and sick society. I'm from Europe and I'm against death penalty.
flaws? flaws?? lol the whole thing is rotten!
astroturfing
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how about some harsh sanctions against Saudi Arabia..? not even just for this type of horrific shit, but because they are using their oil riches to spread wahhabism around the world, you know the most extreme version of Islam that spawned Al-Qaeda and Isis. maybe we should stop funding the missionary state that is largely responsible for these perverted ideologies..? i mean, if we really care about radical Islam, stopping giving piles and piles of money to them would be a start right?
the regime is without a doubt one of the most harmful regimes in the world. WHY are we helping them??
ooooohhhhhh yea nevermind, i forgot easy access to cheap oil really is much more important to us than fighting extremism, no matter how much we praise our love of freedom and democracy and civilization and whatever.
the regime is without a doubt one of the most harmful regimes in the world. WHY are we helping them??
ooooohhhhhh yea nevermind, i forgot easy access to cheap oil really is much more important to us than fighting extremism, no matter how much we praise our love of freedom and democracy and civilization and whatever.
Neither, I'm just extremely desensitized to violence. The video honestly isn't that graphic because it's a shitty camera and the guy filming is a good distance away. There is arterial spray, though.
Do you have opinion about the corruption of Saudi courts and the treatment of women in Saudi society?
DarkLordMalik
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Nothing concrete but taking a closer look, most of this stuff might have just been made up. Sorry.
Where else should I compare capital punishment too, Japan, China, USA etc ? Is it better to do in secret or in the open? Seems rather irrelevant.
Well it is improving, nothing is going to be perfect from the get go nor will anything ever be perfect.
Go fuck yourself, not only any execution is barbaric, not even an animal deserves this.
It's something I would like to see improve vastly on both accords.
Accountability and transparency are key in any society.
And women playing a greater role in society and being treated fairly is just as important.
Improvements are being made, reforms have been put in place, I guess it is just a balancing act at the moment of how far they can push in a conservative country and a young one at that.
gutter_trash
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Saudi Arabia is a dispicable country; I can't wait we move away from oil so our Western leaders stop doing business with these bloodshirsty middle-agers
So if you acknowledge there are issues, how can you be sure she was given a fair trial?
As a woman, it is almost certain that she wasn't.
Having issues doesn't automatically equal not had a fair trial. The USA has issues with treatment and imprisoning of African Americans, but I don't automatically assume them issues were prevalent in the sentencing or the person is innocent.
Unless you have evidence to question sentencing, ill side with the judge.
And I think you are getting carried away with the whole if she was a woman she wont get a fair trial. Many have, if not most. I'm guessing they don't take pleasure in capital punishment or take lightly the seriousness of the punishment, given they assign multiple judges to said cases.
gutter_trash
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jamesinclair
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Why not both?
Hey guys, the dictator gets elected with 99% every time. Obviously the north Korean elections are as fair as the court system in Saudi.
How can you be against a legal system?
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This is my outlook as well. If she was guilty, then it's hard to feel a tremendous amount of sympathy. But I can't trust Saudi courts worth a damn.
Obama would be all "the death penalty is barbaric and only savages would practice it.."
and he'd be right.
Why would he? We do the same thing to our murderers, just with a different method (that may in fact be worse interms of suffering).
The only difference is that their justice system may have an inherent bias that causes them to wrongly convict and give harsher sentences to certain groups...
Oh wait...
Right before he orders another drone strike.
Not gonna fucking happen, but we can dream.
gutter_trash
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people in this thread who believe the conviction scare me as much as the Saudi justice system
Why? The American justice system kills people every year.
The hypocrisy goes much deeper than just lying in bed with one of the most undemocratic countries on earth.
Phat Michael
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Both countries are pretty bad in their own ways. But I've been in Saudi when an execution was happening and it was pretty surreal. Made me feel really sick. I've been twice for business and I don't really want to go again.
But yes it is pretty hypocritical for people to be saying "barbarians!" while their own country does some pretty despicable stuff as well.
mario_O
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It is not irrelevant to be against the death penalty. Especially with this middle age brutality.
You are OK with this, and that tells me a lot about yourself...
it doesnt need to be perfect, just not middle age...
I just saw this week a blogger was sentenced to 1.000 lashes, ten years in prison and a 260.000 dollar fine for criticizing Islam.
I'm guessing you're OK with that too, right?
To be honest I'm not too bothered what happens to convicted murderers, stopping short at torture.
Different countries have different laws shocker, in Germany you are looking at 7 years for questioning the severity of the holocaust. It's an Islamic country, I'm not surprised they have laws that criminalise acts against the religion. Like in Europe we have laws that criminalise menial things to others.
near
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So because the Saudi court made a statement claiming she is guilty, we're suppose to digest this information and accept that she is guilty. First of all if the story alone doesn't sound fishy to you, then you're not reading between the lines. It is well known that the widespread public perception of the Saudi government is that they're corrupt, with the royal family known to have taken bribes for numerous circumstances, plenty of allegations have been made in the past but often fall on death ears since we're dealing with a royal family. Whether you agree with capital punishment or not, there is no way of actually verifying that she committed these crimes other than what the court say, and that alone should should not have you defending her execution.
Would someone who's been through court proceedings and accepted that she is going to be executed, cry and plead for her innocence until her last breath? Maybe. But to the extent her last words are of an unforgiving nature to her executioner, knowing she's a Muslim and that most Muslims believe the Sharia Law applies punishments that expiate the sins of there doings... she clearly didn't believe there were sins to expiate at the point in time now did she?
Most of the information we've been given isn't transparent enough to defend this shit, whether you agree with capital punishment or not.
You don't know where everyone is from that is criticizing and whether or not they support drone strikes.
This is a dumb arguement.
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