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SbF: Super Best Friends Play Thread: ReBoot

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Dusk Golem

A 21st Century Rockefeller
Sonic Unleashed gets a bit darker towards the end, and yes it was Dark Gaia alone basically that up'd the game's rating because Dark Gaia quite visibly leaks out blood, even if its colored, in both a CG cutscene and gameplay, thus making animated blood in the content warning mentioning, "When Sonic wounds certain boss creatures, spurts of green fluid ooze from various afflicted areas.").

However, that's incredibly minor to everything that Shadow the Hedgehog does. Eggman Land (the final area of Sonic Unleashed) is pretty cool and I like the twisted theme park aspect of it, but it's not really edgy. Sonic Unleashed out of any Sonic game has the most 'child CG film' feel going for it, children's films can get dark sometimes, but there's nothing in Unleashed that really screams 'edgy' to me. The Werehog is a dumb idea still, but they play down almost all edginess it could of had by making it a stretchy deed-doer who's goes around and helps people who are overcome with clouded dark thoughts at night (since I guess Dark Gaia's minions cause depression to come out in certain individuals, but even this isn't played for edge).

It's nothing to Shadow the Hedgehog's gun-trotting, motorcycle riding, alien invading bleeding fake blood everywhere, 'Devil Doom last form', forced 'damns' for frequent light cursing, emo oriented vocal music, "Woe is me I'm a moody anti-Sonic who must now choose to be good or bad to save or destroy the world because I have so much power I'm the ultimate lifeform but I miss my dead loved one shot down by the government," "This is like taking candy from a baby, WHICH IS FINE BY ME," with all sorts of off storytelling that Shadow the Hedgehog provides.

This could go on, but I really don't think Unleashed is nearly as edgy (or cringey) as Shadow, in fact I'd even go as far to say it's one of the least 'edgy' Sonic game from that era of Sonic games (not including the handheld titles which never really tried to be edgy.) It's about the same level of 'edgy' as Sonic Heroes and Secret Rings, but I'd actually say it has a slightly better told story (it's no masterpiece of video game writing, but it's better).
 
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Dusk Golem said:
It's nothing to Shadow the Hedgehog's gun-trotting, motorcycle riding, alien invading bleeding fake blood everywhere, forced 'damns' for frequent light cursing, emo oriented vocal music, "Woe is me I'm a moody anti-Sonic who must now choose to be good or bad to save or destroy the world because I have so much power I'm the ultimate lifeform but I miss my dead loved one shot down by the government," with all sorts of off storytelling...
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He's the thing, right its still not that edgy. The only reason the guns are edgy is because they included realstic guns, if it were aliens guns... it would be fine. Sonic enemies get hurt and spew shit all the time. Sonic has had "emo" music, or just vocal music before. And the if you put a silly spin on it sure.
But the plot isn't really that edgy

Aliens come, they are like " yo shadow I'm your dad fam, come be evil " and Is like " nah b " and then fights his dad. And says something about his willingness to steal from children. And that's about it. You see when I boil shit down I can make shit sound weird too.

Shadow's a weird game because despite being " edgy" it isn't really that edgy, its cheesy and the game kind of plays that up . Could they game be better, hell yes.
But the edgiest thing about shadow, is that you gave him real human guns, and sometimes he says damn and that's about as out of place as you can be. Stories about loss and fucked up shit have been sonic since classic sonic, In sonic adventure 1 the echidina's fucking burn a child and chao to death. Dark tinges have been in sonic for a hot minute.

The reason I will argue unleashed is edgier is the werehog. It itself is edgy, despite what people may say about shadow, shadow falls in line with a lot of character design tropes sonic does along with being unique. The werehog is intself edgy because it is completely different, it instead of making a new sonic character, attempted to make sonic into the two other characters that were supposedly supposed to be in that game. Knuckles and shadow. That was relatively new, it didn't go down so well , werehog isn't popular , but itself was the edgiest thing they had actually done. Changed sonic to just be someone else.

To fix shadow's game edgieness you make him say damn less and give him alien guns. And maybe consolidate some of the endings.

To remove the edge from unleashed, you kind of have to rip out half of the game. Because the werehog isn't some feature, he's apart of the story, so you just make him knuckles, you gotta rip out that half. ( which people did as a mod for generations). And that's why I will humor this argument, because Werehog sonic is actually edgy in the intended meaning of that word, rather than what that word has become. That is some actually on the edge different shit that did not work. They took an actual chance, shadow the hedgehog seems like less of chance and more like " what we thought would be cool " they never really ramped it down.

Like Sonic boom is edgier than shadow the hedgehog, Shadow the hedgehog is like reaper from over watch, everything in that game is super wrote and done before. Zaria is edgy because a lot of shooters don't actually feature characters like her.
 
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Dusk Golem

A 21st Century Rockefeller
Village said:
He's the thing, right its still not that edgy. The only reason the guns are edgy is because they included realstic guns, if it were aliens guns... it would be fine. Sonic enemies get hurt and spew shit all the time. Sonic has had "emo" music, or just vocal music before. And the if you put a silly spin on it sure.
But the plot isn't really that edgy

Aliens come, they are like " yo shadow I'm your dad fam, come be evil " and Is like " nah b " and then fights his dad. And says something about his willingness to steal from children. And that's about it. You see when I boil shit down I can make shit sound weird too.

Shadow's a weird game because despite being " edgy" it isn't really that edgy, its cheesy and the game kind of plays that up . Could they game be better, hell yes.
But the edgiest thing about shadow, is that you gave him real human guns, and sometimes he says damn and that's about as out of place as you can be. Stories about loss and fucked up shit have been sonic since classic sonic, In sonic adventure 1 the echidina's fucking burn a child and chao to death. Dark tinges have been in sonic for a hot minute.

The reason I will argue unleashed is edgier is the werehog. It itself is edgy, despite what people may say about shadow, shadow falls in line with a lot of character design tropes sonic does along with being unique. The werehog is intself edgy because it is completely different, it instead of making a new sonic character, attempted to make sonic into the two other characters that were supposedly supposed to be in that game. Knuckles and shadow. That was relatively new, it didn't go down so well , werehog isn't popular , but itself was the edgiest thing they had actually done. Changed sonic to just be someone else.

To fix shadow's game edgieness you make him say damn less and give him alien guns. And maybe consolidate some of the endings.

To remove the edge from unleashed, you kind of have to rip out half of the game. Because the werehog isn't some feature, he's apart of the story, so you just make him knuckles, you gotta rip out that half. ( which people did as a mod for generations). And that's why I will humor this argument, because Werehog sonic is actually edgy in the intended meaning of that word, rather than what that word has become. That is some actually on the edge different shit that did not work.
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You and I are mostly in agreement. Here's part of an old post I made on a LTTP: Shadow the Hedgehog thread earlier this year:

Dusk Golem said:
The gameplay scenarios and story of Shadow the Hedgehog is like some weird mix if Sonic the Hedgehog stepped into some weird hybrid of 80s action and sci-fi flicks, and similarly toned animes. We have everything from a physical version of the internet with literal firewalls and search engines, flying dragon aliens you can ride, an alien overlord with an army that is literally the protagonist's father, a military leader with some hyper-focus on the protagonist for some dark event in his past (and to boot, double-color anime-esque eyes), Shadow with some hilarious dialogue and delivery, the president of the united states literally keeps a picture of Shadow on his desk and looks to him for courage, Eggman is almost like an obsessive toymaker, an android army of our main antagonist, Sonic and the 'good guys' in this game are way too chipper in the game and almost seem super happy with the apocalyptic scenario going on around them (like, this is all new levels of go-happy for all of them), there's levels in everything from magma super villain bases, collapsing space facilities, ancient sky ruins given some bullshit alien backstory, and a lot more. Along with partner dialogue and contradictory design to their dialogue chains, I could keep on going and going with this, but I at least find the game hilarious.
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But I think there was some definite more than unusual pandering to the young teen audience they were trying to implement in Shadow and make him 'cooler' for those types, which is where a lot of the edge comes from. It's layered on so thick it becomes more comedic than anything, and as you and I both say the game has more going on, but I also can't really think of anything in Sonic games that try to be edgier. It's a bit exaggerated, I agree with you, but I do think the series other attempts to be edge are far tamer in comparison.

The problem is I don't view the Werehog as 'edgy', he's disliked but there's nothing that tries to be too cool about him and he's played like a cartoon character, like most of the characters in Unleashed. And I think Shadow has more edginess to it than his weapon arsenal, everything from the GUN Commander's backstory to Maria being shot down as a crucial drive for Shadow, to aligning with the Black Arms to bring the end of the world (and Shadow's attitude towards it), along with forced 'moody' dialogue, and then some levels that are trying too hard, like the one where you try to shoot down the president's aircraft.
 
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Dusk Golem said:
You and I are mostly in agreement. Here's part of an old post I made on a LTTP: Shadow the Hedgehog thread earlier this year:




But I think there was some definite more than unusual pandering to the young teen audience they were trying to implement in Shadow and make him 'cooler' for those types, which is where a lot of the edge comes from. It's layered on so thick it becomes more comedic than anything, and as you and I both say the game has more going on, but I also can't really think of anything in Sonic games that try to be edgier. It's a bit exaggerated, I agree with you, but I do think the series other attempts to be edge are far tamer in comparison.

The problem is I don't view the Werehog as 'edgy', he's disliked but there's nothing that tries to be too cool about him and he's played like a cartoon character, like most of the characters in Unleashed.
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I would argue that sonic boom tries to be edgiier, and is in a way edgier than that game, but a different direction. I don't think edge is as lincon park as everyone tries to describe it, I think edgy can come in different shapes and size. A lot of the critcicism for modern sonic narrative is that its overly cynical to the point undermining everything its trying to do. And ramping up in intensity over each game after colors, I have to agree.

Shadow the hedgehog and even more sonic 06 were this Drama Edgy

And like Sonic lost world and Sonic boom , are Nihilism edgy. You got one where they want you to care too much, and the other one that's giving too many non fucks, for a lot of people to care. I feel like, and I would argue that its edgier than the drama side, by virtue of not giving a fuck. And in a way sort of making fun of those who do. People say its trying to emulate classic sonic, but it can't be because I carred about doing things in classic sonic everything had urgency, nowadays everything sort of a joke. I would argue that modern sonic or as I call him post modern sonic is a about as edgy as that age. The pendulum swung in the other direction and that other extreme isn't the best either. Hopefully sonic 2017 brings equalibilim, but I can' say fire and Ice was decent so that might be a good sign.
 
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Fat4all

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Strimei said:
The re-uploads on Thursdays are of the Machinima videos they did that were up on Vessel but never uploaded to Youtube, so that's it.
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That's actually not entirely true.

About half or so of their Vessel vides were uploaded to Youtube via Machinima, but Machinima gave them permission to upload all their Vessel videos (whether they are on youtube or not) to their channel. Like if you look on YT now, they have their Fallout 4 upload, and Machinima still has the original Fallout 4 upload from back in the day.

This is basically just build up to the videos that haven't been released by Machinima, like the Hitman 2016 and Quantum Break videos.
 
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Strimei

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Fat4all said:
That's actually not entirely true.

About half or so of their Vessel vides were uploaded to Youtube via Machinima, but Machinima gave them permission to upload all their Vessel videos (whether they are on youtube or not) to their channel. Like if you look on YT now, they have their Fallout 4 upload, and Machinima still has the original Fallout 4 upload from back in the day.

This is basically just build up to the videos that haven't been released by Machinima, like the Hitman 2016 and Quantum Break videos.
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Hm, I thought the Fallout 4 one was familiar. My mistake.
 
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Strimei

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So after Deadly P and Pat's talking about it in the past, I finally am getting around to watching Twin Peaks.

Man DP really is like ripped right from it. They weren't kidding.
 
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Dusk Golem

A 21st Century Rockefeller
Strimei said:
So after Deadly P and Pat's talking about it in the past, I finally am getting around to watching Twin Peaks.

Man DP really is like ripped right from it. They weren't kidding.
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I hope you enjoy it, I watched Twin Peaks in 2010 since I kept on liking the games that were citing it as an inspiration that were coming out at the time (they mention it in the Deadly Premonition LP, but there were a LOT of games that came out all around the same time randomly which were inspired by Twin Peaks, including Deadly Premonition, Alan Wake, & Silent Hill: Shattered Memories).It ended up becoming my favorite TV show of all time, not flawless but love it to pieces.

Thankfully one doesn't spoil the other, though Deadly Premonition steals the initial premise and various scenes from Twin Peaks, they go in very different directions. Good time to watch Twin Peaks as well since the third season is about half a year away from airing.
 
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Strimei

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Dusk Golem said:
I hope you enjoy it, I watched Twin Peaks in 2010 since I kept on liking the games that were citing it as an inspiration that were coming out at the time (they mention it in the Deadly Premonition LP, but there were a LOT of games that came out all around the same time randomly which were inspired by Twin Peaks, including Deadly Premonition, Alan Wake, & Silent Hill: Shattered Memories).It ended up becoming my favorite TV show of all time, not flawless but love it to pieces.

Thankfully one doesn't spoil the other, though Deadly Premonition steals the initial premise and various scenes from Twin Peaks, they go in very different directions. Good time to watch Twin Peaks as well since the third season is about half a year away from airing.
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First episode done and definitely interested and enjoying myself so far, though a part of me is constantly amused at going "hey I saw that in DP! That place too!" I look forward to seeing more.
 
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Sou Da

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Seriously though, fuck Shadman.

I was going to post it in the sleepycabin thread and I never liked the dude, but he's just crossing lines now.
 
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Sou Da

Member
NoblesseOblige said:
What'd he do? I've had the suspicion he was garbage for quite awhile now.
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He drew technically sfw "fanart"of Keemstar's daughter and put it on his porn site. Then he got a shitload of calls and put a bunch of disclaimers saying that isn't it porn and he never intended to draw porn of her.

He then later drew actual porn of an 11 year old Youtuber and linked one her videos along with a real picture of her.
 
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NoblesseOblige

Banned
Sou Da said:
He drew technically sfw "fanart"of Keemstar's daughter and put it on his porn site. Then he got a shitload of calls and put a bunch of disclaimers saying that isn't it porn and he never intended to draw porn of her.

He then later drew actual porn of an 11 year old Youtuber and linked one her videos along with a real picture of her.
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Wow. That's even more disgusting than his panderings to the Trump fanbase (which are probably the same people that this porn is made for).
 
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Sou Da

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FlowersisBritish said:
I set my bar suuuuuuuper low and somehow i still came out of this disgusted.
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This happened 10 days apart, I guess he thinks he's safe because she's viewed as abrasive.

At first I only saw the image described on Twitter and it said she wasn't actually nude, then I saw the image and it's clear all he did was switch out the layers and replace the genitals with microphones.

Disgusting stuff. Hope the Sleepycast guys don't fuck with him after this.

That's all the off-topic for now.
 
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NoblesseOblige

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I was watching (AKA listening) to the latest Megaman episode and Liam seemed to have a favorable impression of Pokemon Sun and Moon. Didn't he seem less thrilled with it during the podcast though? Something about there not being enough new ones. Or was that someone else.
 
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Sou Da

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NoblesseOblige said:
I was watching (AKA listening) to the latest Megaman episode and Liam seemed to have a favorable impression of Pokemon Sun and Moon. Didn't he seem less thrilled with it during the podcast though? Or was that someone else.
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He was keeping up with the leaks, got disappointed by the roster and didn't play it yet.
 
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Fat4all

Banned
Their SH3 playthrough is one of the few they have going that has my full attention.

I'm glad they stuck to the no talking during cutscenes rule they set up with 2.
 
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Fat4all

Banned
woolie trying to defend this furry dick slow-hog is

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Nomadic Sparks

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Matt and Woolie having that discussion about celebrities they're never sure are dead or not
slayed me and had me clapping like an idiot

Good lord, being idiots must be hard work for those two tits,
 
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NoblesseOblige

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Do y'all prefer Saturday Morning Scrublords or Friday Night Fisticuffs? I think I like Scrublords more often than Fisticuffs. I usually get bored a quarter of the way through a video when it's a game they're actually enjoying. Like I made it to 20 minutes in Tekken and realized I stopped paying attention long ago.
 
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