This is exactly how I feel. I went into this year excited about Scorpio but this has just reminded me of the end of the 360 era/early XBone days
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This is exactly how I feel. I went into this year excited about Scorpio but this has just reminded me of the end of the 360 era/early XBone days
They could easily do ps1 games but don't. Figured they trying to find ways to force people to repurchase games. I'll believe it when I see it especially if MS and Nintendo are out of the way. I'll believe it when I see it.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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I hope so.
archangelmorph
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What would make this a really sweet outcome...?
If Sony picked up this game and helped Platinum turn it around in a future billion dollar franchise success.
Do it Sony...
If Sony picked up this game and helped Platinum turn it around in a future billion dollar franchise success.
Do it Sony...
where do you think MS and Nintendo are going?
The head start was largely eroded by technical issues (RROD) and then later just dropping everything to court the Wii audience with the Kinect. The sheer amount of ads in Xbox Live, though it being a far superior service to PSN at the time, also kind of made me just drop the whole system all together.
And Scorpio is pretty much the only console from Microsoft at this moment I'm even considering... but it would need exclusives to make it interesting. And at the moment the only exclusive I'm interested in is Halo, which is not enough for me to buy the system.
Ah I see I was replying more to the others whom quoted you. Generation shift coming up for Sony based on Mark Cerny's latest comments (and for good technical reasons in the market currently), we seem to agree. A new baseline will be drawn.
Nintendo has 1 foot out the door with a portable device as its next console. MS could easily just leave the market if Scorpio fails making lot stock holders happy.
illmatic22
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It was a worthwhile sacrifice. They needed to move on from the Cell.
Not gonna lie I'm in a similar boat. I was very amped for the Scorpio, but honestly I don't like the direction MS has been going and I guess this cancellation was my limit. When this gen started I was naively expecting robust libraries for both systems with exclusives here and there. That is not how things have played out.
The game was allegedly shopped around to different publishers but there was no interest.
There is no sweet outcome here.
All you can hope for that the layoffs are minimized, but I think that is unrealistic. The timing is extremely unfortunate.
oh I agree, I just don't think they can do it twice, and Sony knows this
ArkhamFantasy
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If the game is only 12-24 months from completion i think it makes sense to make a bid if the price is reasonable.
tiredheadcrab
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Right because they had to modify the hardware specifically to make that happen. Specifically to match jaguars instruction set. They even mirrored the ps4's gpu because they feared games will break.
I have to go back and read it again. Also Cerny called out ms on their plan due to changing gpu architectures.
I have to go back and read it again
Damn, I did not know this. Yeah, things are not looking good for Platinum as of right now sadly. Hope they keep the casualty to a minimum.
Your instinct is to think that, but in economics there is such a thing as the Concorde Fallacy
And that's where worlds collide. I think of games as fun and artistic expressions of a collective to bring joy or thought but the reality is business.
Crossing Eden
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With milestones being missed and the devs being so stressed they had to leave it seems like it wasn't coming together at all. Especially since performance issues were apparently a big issue and MS didn't want features to be cut.
SinCityAssassin
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All work and assets probably belong to Microsoft at this point, soa different publisher (like Nintendo) picking UP the exact same content and workload is out of the question.
What are you talking about almost every other sony gaming device plays PS1 games those don't require a cell CPU. Sony is just being greedy trying to find a way to force people to buy their PS1 library again. I can see them doing the same next generation sell the BC emulator or even better 10-20 dollars for a BC license per game.
The average consumer needs reasons to buy a Xbox. Outside Halo, there is barely a reason. That is reflected in the sale numbers. Thats business.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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XB1 is selling, though. Didn't they lead for a few months when the S was released?
onemanasylum
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A lot of assumption, scare mongering little substance or fact.
In the US it did until the pro and price drops in November.
SneakersSO
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This same logic applies to the X1 & Scorpio, and as i've detailed before, both MS & PS will at one point be launching things they deem as new generations, where the MP communities are not playing with each other on games that their libraries may share.
Can I play my PS1 titles on the PS4 that is plenty of substance?
No offense, but in this entire thread, you are picking out that post as one full of assumption?
Out of all the non-evidenced based posts in this thread, that one is one of the top 5 most plausible.
It's that situation (the PS1 and PS2 games on PS4) right there that have some of us nervous how Sony is going to treat FC/BC going onwards.
My post shouldn't have been read as a defense of Microsoft's actions.
If I had to go with my gut then I would put the blame more on MS than on Platinum, based on that has been rumored and the parties respective public history in a publisher-developer relationship.
I personally think the first party strategy by Microsoft is abysmal. All I'm trying to do is to put into perspective how little my opinion matters and those that share my enjoyment of a diverse portfolio.
ArkhamFantasy
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IP purchase doesnt include assets???
moltonasty
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I think MS probably owns all the assets and IP, so this wouldn't be an option. Supposedly Platinum doesn't own any of their own IPS.
For a few months in the US, yes. They are dead in Japan and Europe. And PS4 is miles ahead.
Vegetable Lasagna
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Not really. What's the point of wasting money marketing, maintaining and supporting a project that isn't going to make money? You're just throwing away even more money at that point.
gundamkyoukai
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I understand what you mean .
Platinum out put does not sell but i also think that Sony don't mind putting some money into titles that will only sell 1 to 2 million.
To keep the hardcore happy and have variety .
At this point it's part of there brand so it's worth it to them but i don't think MS see it the same way .
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If you read my retorts I didn't contradict any of that. My point was that 1 or two or even 3 niche games wouldn't have done that, since it's a drop in the bucket. You need volume (some like 5+) because guess what your competitor also probably have at least 2-3 niche exclusives. Which is why I argued about your statement the bloodborne being released early on would have changed MS fortunes. Because one or two niche games aren't going to do that early on. Titanfall really helped but that's something that had the mind share and sales multiple times that of Bloodborne. Your going to need more than 1 or two bloodborne level games to make any real headway.
Interferon
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Regarding Sony future BC, I don't think Sony will do it.
Software emulation could be tricky (costly),
hardware emulation reduces their profitability on each console,
+by doing any of the above they would reduce their profitability in remasters, PS Now, and gamers having to rebuy classic games
So, from a business standpoint, nope, they won't do it
Software emulation could be tricky (costly),
hardware emulation reduces their profitability on each console,
+by doing any of the above they would reduce their profitability in remasters, PS Now, and gamers having to rebuy classic games
So, from a business standpoint, nope, they won't do it
Crayon
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Hey it had 5 pages.
Such a fan of the game you got the name wrong. I'm not necessarily pinning this on you Splinluck (God knows my auto-correct is a nightmare), but I see a lot of crocodile tears here.
A bit misleading to makes so much of that. A new system releases, you get the seriously hardcore that traded in their Xbox One for this new one, you have the folks that waited specifically for it buying it, you also have new generated interest from those swayed by specific features or simply those now newly interested. Regardless, they trigger more new sales than normal, in new circumstances and sku availability
At the same time, there was nothing going on with Sony to trigger something similar for them. Folks waiting on PS4 Pro, others waiting on PS Slim, others waiting for reduced prices etc etc.
You can't really correlate that bump in xbox one sales for such a short period in the face of all this as something meaningful or consistent
Gamezone
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Yes, yes and yes.
Vegetable Lasagna
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So every PS4 Pro and PS4 Slim sold was just the hardcore upgrading? Got it.
SinCityAssassin
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Sorry, I thought the IP belonging to Microsoft was inferred here. I mean Microsoft owns everything. There's no real picking up here.
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Well tbf Vanquish 2 wasn't going to happen anyway as Mikami and his team developed that game and they are long since gone.
No not at all - are you deliberately trying to be obtuse on this one? That isn't even close to what I was implying. I'm talking about the differential bump pushing xbox ahead, being due to new hardware, generating new interest, bringing on those that were waiting for it etc.
Sony had none of that other than there usual flow of sales in similar circumstances to the previous months. Months later, Sony is in a similar but more empowered situation with more powerful hardware with more features that I'd guess a much wider amount of their audience were interested in
Right, which goes along with my eyebrow raise at "Vanquished" 2.
Joe liked it? Thats a surprise. He sometimes so difficult to read in wich games he likes.
hydrophilic attack
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PS3 managed to recover from a bad launch, while XBO did not. While I think there is some merit to your model that early momentum is important for future success, it can't explain how this happened. The alternative hypothesis that lots of diverse exclusives gets people to jump in can. (At least if you accept the premise that Sony did a lot more to get a larger number of diverse exclusives on PS3 than MS has done on XBO.)
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