Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]

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Kastrioti said:
The Scorpio will still be able to play GTA, Madden, NBA2K, Halo, Minecraft, RDR etc.

I think sometimes on GAF we forget these franchises and how synonymous they are with both Sony and Microsoft.

Microsoft will no doubt spend a ton of money on advertising so the hype from the casual audience will still be there in the Americas and U.K.

We still don't know enough about the Scorpio compared to the Switch but MS will be fine offering the One S and Scorpio to consumers this fall.

As a fan I'm still super bummed about Scalebound being cancelled and really worried about their approach to game development going forward.
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Casuals will play them on much cheaper ps4 slims and X1 S.

Oersted said:
A positive Nintendo sales projection makes you think of Pachter, of all people?
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Positive is a real nice way of putting it, I was thinking delusional lol. The Wiiu and 3ds combined are way below wii, and switch is not going to do as much as both of those combined.
 
Oersted said:
A positive Nintendo sales projection makes you think of Pachter, of all people?
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It's not that, it's thinking that the switch is going to set the world on fire. I find it hard to believe nintendo can do Wii like numbers again after their God awful performance with the Wii U.
 
icespide said:
and "casuals" as you described will be able to play on much cheaper systems, maybe even a system they already own
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Yeah, you're right and that's why it's going to be really interesting to see how Microsoft positions and advertises the Scorpio going into fall.

Either way consumers will still be in the Microsoft ecosystem whether they buy the Scorpio or One S.

I'm just curious to see how much the jump in power is if the Scorpio can still play XBO games.

My main concern as a gamer is what appears to be Microsofts approach to make everything multiplayer or a games as a service.
 
Microsoft will no doubt spend a ton of money on advertising
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I doubt MS will spend much on advertising for Scorpio. The Xbox division isn't getting a bunch of money these days, which is why they aren't winning a bunch of marketing deals. They will have to tie the Scorpio into the current XB1 marketing... which they will.

Remember, this isn't a new generation or anything. Every single game must be compatible with XB1 base system. MS fans are going to be massively disappointed expecting some monumental performance leap.
 
nath999 said:
Japanese developers have been pretty horrible in delivering any AAA titles on time. I don't blame MS one bit for cancelling this.
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Because there are absolutely no western titles that have been delayed, no sireee. Fanboy darlings like Naughty Dog, CD Projekt Red, Rockstar & all release game with no delays or problems in production.
 
Minions said:
That all entirely depends on the pricing. If this thing comes in at too high a price then market penetration for "casuals" is going to be very low.
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I also think many devs aren't gonna patch older games for it. Maybe MS 1st parties will but others wont want to patch games that are no longer selling or games that go PRO patches many months before(even if half assed)
 
CCIE said:
I doubt MS will spend much on advertising for Scorpio. The Xbox division isn't getting a bunch of money these days, which is why they aren't winning a bunch of marketing deals. They will have to tie the Scorpio into the current XB1 marketing... which they will.

Remember, this isn't a new generation or anything. Every single game must be compatible with XB1 base system. MS fans are going to be massively disappointed expecting some monumental performance leap.
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I mean just look at this year .
When it comes to marketing Sony already has the biggest games lock down .
You can bet come time for Scorpio Sony going to have a good amount of bundles plus price drop on both of there systems to counter it .
Plus they only need to do that for 3 or 4 markets since every where else Scorpio won't be a big deal .
 
Omega Kirby said:
Microsoft are already trapped in the vicious endless cycle

Microsoft releases new creative IP > Bombs in sales > Their Fanbase demographic only want to play Halo/Forza/Madden > Microsoft releases 20th iteration of halo/forza/madden > This makes console unattractive to potential buyers that want new creative/colorful Ip's to finally purchase an Xbox > Microsoft releases new creative IP

And it goes on and on
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In a way they kind of did that to themselves, in part down to the seemingly endless sequelitis with little in the way of evolution. The IP they do bring on is just lacking in some way each time, but as you say as well the audience has changed a fair bit. In many ways to me it feels like these are games designed by committee. There is only the odd one or two that show some personality.

Meanwhile other platforms are doing pretty great for different styles of games and IPs evolving. Nintendo is probably one I would complain about, but they make enough changes and bring along new ideas enough to keep their IPs somewhat fresh rather than stagnant. Sony has been doing a good job with the first party stuff and third party "exclusives" whether to the platform or "console exclusive", they balanced it out well for their audience.

For me, I left Xbox after being a day one owner of OG and 360 since that variety that I am looking for is wonderfully abundant and more wildly variable on PC, which thankfully is in a great state, but I don't think most console owners care about what happens on that front. I think for Xbox to really get anywhere, they will need to take much bigger gambles on what they do and the games they support third party and first party wise. There are plenty of people that like what Xbox is now and MS play to that, but that is indeed exactly why I have little interest, wanting something other than the same old tropes.

Halo Wars 2 might be as close as I get to interested with an Xbox game, but this is down to Creative Assembly. The game has much to prove as someone interested in RTS and other strategy games.
 
Kastrioti said:
I agree, but I don't see MS going above $400 and they'll still be able to sell One S in the meantime if/while the price point is high.
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I keep seeing this, isn't the PS4 Pro currently $400 in the US?

Xbox hitting the same price with more powerful hardware is pretty much impossible.
 
Kastrioti said:
Yeah, you're right and that's why it's going to be really interesting to see how Microsoft positions and advertises the Scorpio going into fall.

Either way consumers will still be in the Microsoft ecosystem whether they buy the Scorpio or One S.

I'm just curious to see how much the jump in power is if the Scorpio can still play XBO games.

My main concern as a gamer is what appears to be Microsofts approach to make everything multiplayer or a games as a service.
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I am not a fan of the games as a service at all. Still going to get Scorpio day 1 for the best version of RDR 2 and other 3rd party games. No I have 0 interested in a pc for gaming at this point in my life.
 
bitbydeath said:
I keep seeing this, isn't the PS4 Pro currently $400 in the US?

Xbox hitting the same price with more powerful hardware is pretty much impossible.
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No it is not since it launches a year later. The pro has had plenty of big sales so it is not exactly a 399 product like the OG PS 4.
 
Kastrioti said:
Yeah, you're right and that's why it's going to be really interesting to see how Microsoft positions and advertises the Scorpio going into fall.

Either way consumers will still be in the Microsoft ecosystem whether they buy the Scorpio or One S.

I'm just curious to see how much the jump in power is if the Scorpio can still play XBO games.

My main concern as a gamer is what appears to be Microsofts approach to make everything multiplayer or a games as a service.
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We all know how they are gonna advertise the Scorpio, just took the Xbone S ad and add "4k native games" in the description and finish with "the most powerful console to date" and a $499 price tag. That's it, there is your Scorpio ad.
 
I'm extremely interested in Switch. The appeal of a hybrid system not always tied to a TV, but better than mobile games (phone) is HUGE to me.
 
Theorry said:
Scorpio comes out a year later.
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Not a good thing, sony will be in a much better position to undercut on price. A more powerful console launching a year later and more expensive against a playstation is not a good look, power won;t mean much except outside of the most hardcore, games look great now regardless.
 
GTR R35_Supra RZ said:
Are you out of your mind boi? I'll buy 2. Most of us give many zero @$!#@ for a JRPG, I would still ask you Scalebound what?

Im getting Scorp mainly for multi-plats and raw power where you throw anything at it and it eats it alive with a nasty performance..

lol, yall can have Scalebound it's a gift from us.
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Pokemon Sun & Moon, a jrpg, sold better than Xbox Ones entire top 6(they don't have more million sellers) combined.

Final Fantasy XV, a jrpg, already outsold Xbox Ones best seller Halo 5, with the majority of sales being on PS4.

Having a wider library wouldn't have hurt.
 
Nzyme32 said:
A bit misleading to makes so much of that. A new system releases, you get the seriously hardcore that traded in their Xbox One for this new one, you have the folks that waited specifically for it buying it, you also have new generated interest from those swayed by specific features or simply those now newly interested. Regardless, they trigger more new sales than normal, in new circumstances and sku availability

At the same time, there was nothing going on with Sony to trigger something similar for them. Folks waiting on PS4 Pro, others waiting on PS Slim, others waiting for reduced prices etc etc.

You can't really correlate that bump in xbox one sales for such a short period in the face of all this as something meaningful or consistent
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That's a fair evaluation of that time frame, but in general the XB1 is selling decently. It's not on par with PS4 worldwide, but it's not dead on the shelves or anything.
 
onemanasylum said:
Not a good thing, sony will be in a much better position to undercut on price. A more powerful console launching a year later and more expensive against a playstation is not a good look, power won;t mean much except outside of the most hardcore, games look great now regardless.
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Sony is not going to undercut much in price. They are in full profits mode they have 0 reasons to price cut anytime soon. The advantage of being the dominant player. Scorpio is no threat to them. It took 3 years and a node shrink to get the PS4 price to 299. Don't see the pro doing that in 1 year.
 
quest said:
Sony is not going to undercut much in price. They are in full profits mode they have 0 reasons to price cut anytime soon. The advantage of being the dominant player. Scorpio is no threat to them. It took 3 years and a node shrink to get the PS4 price to 299. Don't see the pro doing that in 1 year.
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Yes...they will. You think Pro will be 399 again next year during the holidays? It won't be. I never said anything about 299.......349 and a pack in for he holidays.
 
onemanasylum said:
Yes...they will. You think Pro will be 399 again next year during the holidays? It won't be. I never said anything about 299.......349 and a pack in for he holidays.
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No but 349.99 with first party title bundle. Let's them keep og PS 4 at 249.99 to rake in the money.
 
Omega Kirby said:
Microsoft are already trapped in the vicious endless cycle

Microsoft releases new creative IP > Bombs in sales > Their Fanbase demographic only want to play Halo/Forza/Madden > Microsoft releases 20th iteration of halo/forza/madden > This makes console unattractive to potential buyers that want new creative/colorful Ip's to finally purchase an Xbox > Microsoft releases new creative IP

And it goes on and on
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That's partially their own fault. Why would any audience stick around when they're unwilling to commit to any long term plan.

Microsoft constantly seem to re-evaluate their strategies every few years and cull anything underperforming immediately. As fast as they can start spinning up investments, they end them just as quick as we've seen shortly after both the start of the 360 and Xbox One generations. You can even throw in Kinect as it completely diverted their attention for a large chunk of the 360's lifespan (not to mention crippling the Xbox One). They never really allow an audience to build with assurances that they will continue to get content outside of their big franchise factories.
 
Famassu said:
Because there are absolutely no western titles that have been delayed, no sireee. Fanboy darlings like Naughty Dog, CD Projekt Red, Rockstar & all release game with no delays or problems in production.
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Those studios aren't work for hire though. There is a difference between being contracted and being owned, or self/ 3rd party publishing.
 
Gonna say it again,

Here's hoping Nintendo hires them to port Bayonetta 1+2 over to Switch. It won't solve all their money / project problems - but it's better than nothing right now...

Strootman said:
Vote, everyone.
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It won't do anything tbh. If any of the rumours about what happened are true, then the relationship is pretty heavily damaged and I don't really see Platinum wanting to work with MS again no matter how bad they need the money.
 
benny_a said:
The game was allegedly shopped around to different publishers but there was no interest.

There is no sweet outcome here.
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With years of assets existing, and the subsequent fallout of interest in the game now concrete, a purchase might be attractive to some party out there.

Of course, MS would have to be willing to settle for a decent offer for what is now a dead investment. Considering Scalebound is a new IP, they may just be willing to part with it rather than letting their efforts languish. It probably means nothing to them going forward.
 
What are the chances of Square-Enix purchasing the publishing rights and bringing it multiplatform, maybe under a different name.
 
D i Z said:
Those studios aren't work for hire though. There is a difference between being contracted and being owned, or self/ 3rd party publishing.
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The person I quoted wrote about "Japanese developers" being so commonly in trouble with game development and constantly delivering games late, he/she made no distinction about what type of Japanese developers. Western developers have just as much trouble delivering shit in time (if not even more, considering there's far more AAA development in the west nowadays), no matter if it's 1st party or 3rd.

Let's not forget that the PS360 generation was an absolute bloodbath in regards to development studios shutting down in the west, no matter what kind. And it wasn't just some no-name studios, but big studios that were generally thought to be at least somewhat adequate and to make at least half-decent games, many of which were probably shut down because they had prolonged development times caused by problems during development.
 
Principate said:
Random games? Popular exclusives and the fact Bloodborne doesn't hold up is entirely the point and why your arguement falls apart. If Titanfall didn't move the needle why on earth and you even thinking Bloodborne would? Keep in mind it sold that amount on a more popular console and Titanfall on a less.
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Suffice it to say that Bloodborne is very highly regarded by players, reviewed very well with critics and sold extremely well for the kind of difficult game it is.

It was great collaboration every way you look at it.
 
Eternia said:
That's partially their own fault. Why would any audience stick around when they're unwilling to commit to any long term plan.

Microsoft constantly seem to re-evaluate their strategies every few years and cull anything underperforming immediately. As fast as they can start spinning up investments, they end them just as quick as we've seen shortly after both the start of the 360 and Xbox One generations. You can even throw in Kinect as it completely diverted their attention for a large chunk of the 360's lifespan (not to mention crippling the Xbox One). They never really allow an audience to build with assurances that they will continue to get content outside of their big franchise factories.
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I agree with this. As opposed to Sony where they've made games the absolute staple of their Playstation business for the past 20+ years. MS will never be the same and I guess people know that.
 
I don't think we or anybody knows he bad (or good) the game was shaping up to be.

If it was a total piece of crap , why keep throwing money at it? Unfortunately things are never quite clear in a multi million dollar business decision.

I just hope Platinum lands on its feet and MS uses that saved money for making a better gaming division.
 
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