With those sizes and ludicrous prices, It's never been easier to wait for a price drop, buy old or used, or maybe even go with a console.Honestly for me the worst thing about these cards is the size and not tge price. I hate how big they are, they just ugly. I hope nvidia manages to reduce the size on the next models
Pretty much Econ 101. Then again they appear to think the scalpers function as a monopoly or a cartel. (With no evidence btw)
You sound like a scalper. All that bs you just said is compete crap. They are taking advantage of global shortages. The scalpers are snakes and help no one. They make a bad situation so much worse.People love a villain and always need to find someone or something to blame.
There's no such thing as a perfectly balanced economy, there's always a constant tug of war between supply/demand. But some people are naive enough to think that if scalpers didn't exist then it would make things perfectly balanced. If scalpers aren't there to take advantage of high demand or supply shortages then the companies who make the products will simply put their prices up to take advantage of the situation.
You sound like a scalper. All that bs you just said is compete crap. They are taking advantage of global shortages. The scalpers are snakes and help no one. They make a bad situation so much worse.
Yes, of course. At MSRP, they would've flown out the window.
But let them compete with scalpers on pricing and now people with high end cards already on their rigs will think "maybe I don't need to upgrade right now" and leave those cards to those willing and able to buy them.
Now scalpers will have to lower their prices if they don't wanna lose money.
Then retailers will have to lower their prices in turn to not lose customers to scalpers.
And the cycle repeats until the price goes down to MSRP or close enough.
If scalpers aren't there to take advantage of high demand or supply shortages then the companies who make the products will simply put their prices up to take advantage of the situation.
This doesn't even make sense. Companies will price goods as high as possible depending on their sales targets (they might choose a lower price to facilitate greater overall sales), regardless of if scalpers exist or not. LOL
If companies matched scalper prices they could make higher margins but would do scalper volumes too (next to nothing in the grand picture).
This doesn't even make sense. Companies will price goods as high as possible depending on their sales targets (they might choose a lower price to facilitate greater overall sales), regardless of if scalpers exist or not. LOL
If companies matched scalper prices they could make higher margins but would do scalper volumes too (next to nothing in the grand picture).
Scalpers thrive when the MSRP is underpriced. Demand is higher than projected and the price point should be higher than it is.
Edit: GHG explained it much better than I did.
Am I the only one bothered more by power consumption?Honestly for me the worst thing about these cards is the size and not tge price. I hate how big they are, they just ugly. I hope nvidia manages to reduce the size on the next models
a solution to this is to buy one of those watercooled models made by other manufacturers, some of them reduce the size massively at the cost of you needing to install another radiator. check itHonestly for me the worst thing about these cards is the size and not tge price. I hate how big they are, they just ugly. I hope nvidia manages to reduce the size on the next models
it's more power efficient than 3000 series iirc but yeah it's still ridiculousAm I the only one bothered more by power consumption?
Or are my worries unfounded for some reason?
If that was the case, ps5 and series x would of sold for $800 during the shortages. The simple fact is greedy assholes were making a fortune by cheating the system. (using bots and what not) I refuse to pay over retail but there are enough idiots out there feeding the scalpers.Of course they are, and if they didn't then someone else would. It's how economies have functioned from day one. How do you think commodities get priced?
And for reference no, I'm not a scalper, just a realist.
And certainly potential sales volume is a consideration in pricing. The cheapest models of cars are typically sold at negative margins because there is a direct correlation between the number of those units sold and the sales of more expensive, more profitable models (via brand building and consumer loyalty) plus the sales volume they get there supports the brands service network after the sale. And there are many, many more examples where pricing isn't nearly as simplistic as you implied.
Obviously, scalpers thrive on products with high demand and some headroom between the retail price and what fools will pay for the product. But still, if retail matched that pricing they would reduce their customers to just those fools that typically purchase from scalpers and reduce sales volume considerably. That reduced volume would drastically alter the backend figures (greatly increasing production costs per unit and so on). It almost sounds like you think Sony would have sold the same number of PS5s if they matched the scalper pricing, but I can all but guarantee you that they would not have sold a fraction of the real number because the majority of buyers did not and would not pay those prices.
Nvidia is the living embodiment of that right now. They have basically scalped the 4080 themselves, they will get higher margins but will sell through substantially fewer units as a result. What effect continuing in that direction across all future lines and skus would have on their brand long-term remains to be seen (I doubt it would be good).
My local microcenter just got the 4070Ti in and they aren't selling very many. They have over 20 4080s. Hopefully nvidia learns from this on pricing.My local microcenter has 100s of 4080s, so fuck the scalpers.