FriedConsole
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Enhanced PS4 probably just means one with a 4k Blu Ray drive.
SCE Executive Vice President: Possible enhanced version PS4, no first party for Vita
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Sectorseven
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How many of you bought the 32X?
Quite a few if I remember correctly, I was one of them.
mangochutney
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People with money who can't be arsed to build a PC/want to play where their friends are.
Roberto Larcos
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Sony would alienate their base and push them to a competitor, rather than keep that customer long-term and make sure they're invested in the ecosystem (increasingly important if all games you've bought are compatible with future hardware)? Doubt it.
And what's wrong with the smartphone comparison? Apple haven't yet stopped releasing iOS updates for the 5S on the off-chance that they may 'convert people over from the old hardware'. Same principle, just with phones it's a shorter cycle.
fastford58
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Oh lols...the poors argument. So classy.
It is a shit move to split the base. Unless they market it as a pure upgrade for VR...but it is still a grey area of shit moves.
Roberto Larcos
Member
Yeah, market now is identical to 1994.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
$400 console with backward compatibility every few years is not a huge things especially if platform/accessories remain compatible. That's pretty much in reach of most working adults.
Robot Pants
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You mean my jet engine launch ps4 isn't the high performance one?!
Roberto Larcos
Member
As far as a 'split' goes, it'd be about as soft as possible. Same games, same multiplayer platform.
Chittagong
Gold Member
The thing I really don't get with PR dance like this is that if they are really that unsure or uninformed they could simply ask the consumer. They have a direct digital channel to most of PlayStation installed base. Just ask them if they'd want one, or if they would feel betrayed if there was one.
M1ch04c4n0
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"High performance PS4?" Preemptive measure for what Nintendo is cooking? After all they all get insider information, and if the dev kits are now being distributed, they surely have even seen the objetive hardware working.
ArkhamFantasy
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Did sony make a ps2.5 when the xbox and gamecube came out?
Is that what the PS4 is?
They will do this because they need a reason to get people in the new hardware or else people wont see a reason why to get a new one unless you are a hardcore enthusiast, and we are not talking about an accessory here, we are talking about a new Console, which is going to require research, testing, marketing etc why would SONY even spent resource in a niche Hardware? And You ever think about the cost/return of this? when Consoles hardware are usually sold at a lost and Sony is not in the best of financial conditions?
Because Smathphones are portable multi use devices that change not only in internal specs, but also on design, and are made for everybody, Consoles are mainly video game playing devices and thats the main reason a group of people purchase then, a Phone maker as Apple can get away with releasing an Iphone every year, Sony or MS cant get away with that.
gamechanger87
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Games are still selling on the 360 and PS4. Can you imagine supporting and developing games over 3 generations simultaneously.
I don't think Sony gives a flying fuck about what Nintendo does at this stage.
eyeball_kid
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I think you're assuming a very perfect-world scenario. Things will be a bit better because it's on the same platform, but developers are not going to spend a ton of time eeking out performance on the base PS4 version if they can charge $10 more for the high-performance version of the game.
I think the people would also end up confused by a PS4 and PS4+ from a marketing POV, the same way people confused the Wii U with the Wii. And brand confusion is never good when you're trying to drive people to purchase your new product.
potatohead
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I'd like a revision of the PS4 that can record in 1080p60 that would be cool.
(and one that is backwards compatible with PS3 please
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(and one that is backwards compatible with PS3 please
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Lionel Richie
Member
Exactly. Sega went to shit when they started fucking up with stuff like this.
Oh boy, I'm out of this thread.
autoduelist
Member
You do realize you're absolutely missing the point of everybody you're responding to, right? Like, plane overhead, full-on-just-not-getting-it, right?
Nobody is comparing a console to bleeding edge technology. The truth is: in 3 years, most consumers will still think of the PS4 as 'the cutting edge console' that plays all the latest games, even though it wasn't even 'cutting edge' at launch. You are not 'educating' us telling us more powerful stuff comes out all the time, you're just missing the point.
That's all that matters. And if Sony started selling iterative consoles, a huge selling point of consoles would be thrown away.
Because they understand the console market. Nobody cares if someone else has a better PC. That's a different market. They do care that their $300ish purchase lasts half a decade and still feels like it's 'the best', capable of playing anything on the shelf at 'the best' settings. PC not included, because it's not a factor to console buyers for a plethora of reasons.
Ivan
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You have to understand how console business works though...
PC (business model) has absolutely nothing to do with consoles.
Roberto Larcos
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People upgraded from PS3 to PS4 in droves, even though there was no truly compelling non-cross-gen game for the platform until Dying Light / Bloodbourne - this year. Pretty much everything before that was either not what you'd identify as a system seller (Drive Club, Killzone SF, Knack, LBP 3, Infamous First Light) or still cross-platform (Battlefield 4 + Hardline, COD Ghosts / AW, FIFA, Madden, NBA 2K, Ground Zeroes, AC Black Flag / Unity, Thief, Wolfenstein, Watch Dogs, Sniper Elite III, Diablo III, Shadow of Mordor, Alien Isolation, Evil Within, GTA V, Far Cry 4, Destiny, Dragon Age, TLOU, Need for Speed, The Crew).
They even launched a fucking bundle off of Destiny, a cross-generation game. I don't buy your argument one bit.
Do you think when people were sitting in front of their screens in 2013 playing GTA V - with huge frame-rate issues, poor textures, pop-in, having had to use a second install disc to even get the base game to run okay - thinking, "man, this is the cutting-edge in console hardware"?
Protomanx13
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This could work great if there is a massive trade-in value for the current ps4. If we only need to pay $100 or so for the upgraded ps4, it would be great
edit: i doubt it is a hardware change, because now Sony need to replace all those dev kit, which can affect all upcoming ps4 game
edit: i doubt it is a hardware change, because now Sony need to replace all those dev kit, which can affect all upcoming ps4 game
What is the point then?
Are you suggesting the biggest selling point of a console is its users thinking "oh, I have the best possible specs for a console"? This is pretty far from the truth, it's been proven for several generations that it's not always the most powerful console that wins the market. The PS4 being most powerful and most successful does not relate directly. It helps being powerful but it's not what users buy a console for as far as I understand.
thelastword
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Maybe that's what Jeff Rigby was alluding to, so I imagine a PS4 with HDMI 2.2 and a better Bluray Drive. As far as the performance enhancement goes, I'm thinking SDK improvements. More memory will be released to developers and perhaps an extra cpu core. That should give a good enough boost.....I doubt it's hardware upgrades in that regard.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
So basically, "Hey headspawn, you know how you were holding out for price drops and UC4 to get a PS4?! Hold your wallet a little bit longer!".
Ok.
Ok.
You mean the same console that was out in the market for about 7 years before the PS4 got released? You also know that even as of today neither MS or Sony has been able to convert all those old Gen people to next gen? you made really a bad comparison.
this is a good comparison:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_32X
Me too
Roberto Larcos
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Yeah, bring in a console from over two decades ago. That's relevant to the market today.
And yes, I do mean upgrading from PS3 to PS4. Why did all those people upgrade in the first 15 months? According to your assertion, people will only upgrade for amazing exclusives - I'm just saying that it's clearly not the case. Rebut that point, not a different one.
When the NX comes out and is developed to be like the Apple model where new hardware comes out every year / 2 years, the others will follow and you will just get consoles called "The new Playstation" and "The new Xbox", they will just be called Xbox and Playstation probably. And every year would have a model that's a little bit better at running the same games and the new ones will be backwards compatible up to a certain point.
grandwizard
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The reactions from console-only gamers every time this idea is presented really tells me how much the averse reaction to there being an upgrade option is more about ego than actually being afraid they'll have to upgrade every year just to play games or whatever. Do you guys really think Sony would split their userbase if they were to do something like this, and developers would want to target a smaller market? No, they wouldn't. It would play all the same games just in a higher resolution and framerate.
It's all about ego and not wanting there to exist an option of someone having something better than you, and it's completely ridiculous. The option should exist for people who want to drop an extra premium and get a better product, but the console market has been conditioning us to believe we are number #1 and always getting the best thing possible and an upgrade option would negate that. So that leads us to these ridiculously long generations where halfway through we are on supremely outdated tech and having to deal with insane performance and IQ sacrifices just to support the new graphics tech developers want to push.
Enthusiasts like the ones on this forum would be the market for a higher powered model or an addon that adds power, not the average consumer. And I believe that enthusiasts would eat this up if it was actually available.
It's all about ego and not wanting there to exist an option of someone having something better than you, and it's completely ridiculous. The option should exist for people who want to drop an extra premium and get a better product, but the console market has been conditioning us to believe we are number #1 and always getting the best thing possible and an upgrade option would negate that. So that leads us to these ridiculously long generations where halfway through we are on supremely outdated tech and having to deal with insane performance and IQ sacrifices just to support the new graphics tech developers want to push.
Enthusiasts like the ones on this forum would be the market for a higher powered model or an addon that adds power, not the average consumer. And I believe that enthusiasts would eat this up if it was actually available.
You learn from the past mistakes to prepare for the future, Market might be different, but the consumer behavior doesn't change that much, and on the topic of the Market, console sales this gen are decreasing overall compared to other gen because of Mobile devices, if Anything, a time where consoles was a growing market is a good point of reference to what you could see now.
I didnt say that in any of my posts, I said that Console makers will use exclusives as a way to get people to convert. Like I said people upgraded because we were already due for a gen change and the market was hungry for a new console, add that to stuff like incredible marketing and great pricing, all of these items together was what made this gen very successful of the bat.
Is not about ego, is about knowing what you paid for is not going to last you one year, the day consoles do that, I will just go to a PC.
ArkhamFantasy
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"It doesnt effect you!" Yea it does, they cant focus on one sku if they make multiple models. And nintendo has exclusives for n3ds.
Its a bad idea, the ps4 is selling great and this idea has never worked on consoles.
Its a bad idea, the ps4 is selling great and this idea has never worked on consoles.
grandwizard
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Yes, the PC, where your hardware magically self destructs after one year.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
This is a terrible comparison. That was an add-on, 20 years ago, in a completely different market. We are talking about same platform that can play same games but maybe run them with different resolution/FPS, maybe having 4K video support, SSDs, what not.
Having Xbone 1.5 3.5-4 years into generation does not ruin it for everyone. Devs and modern middleware engines are quite proficient at scaling. Devs would also want to get as big an audience as they can. This will make their job easier since they don't have to code to 4-5 different platforms but to Sony (variable settings), MS (variable settings) and PC (arguably very similar to MS/Sony especially if MS ditches edram in Xbone +).
Exactly. Apparently MS/Intel/Aliens disabled my 3.5 year i5, burned out RAM, killed my motherboard, destroyed the case, so now I have to buy skylake and all new parts (bought a new video card this year after having old one for 3+ so not listing that one)...
An exclusive port of a Wii game available elsewhere.
mangochutney
Member
Your original PS4 will continue to work. This makes zero sense.
If anything it could actually prolong it's life.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
So true its like they are scared or afraid of something
It doesnt self destruct, but every now and then you see yourself upgrading to the newest Card that can cost more than double to what a console cost.
See my second post, its a good example given the current decreasing market.
Is not about working PS4, is about that you will have a new system, is basically telling customer the PS4 you bought 1 year ago is already obsolete, you can play some games, but they wont look or play as all the marketing material about such game, and Maybe some developer will have a vision of their game that cant be attained on the older hardware, and then we will start getting exclusives for updated hardware.
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