Chobel
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And?
Scorpio presentation pictured within AMD's Vega/Ryzen booth
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Ricerocket
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All thrown into getting games running native 4k. This is an X1 at 4k from 900p.
bryanee
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Thats what I'd do. Ride out the XB1 until 2018 and then go full on with a new gen.
Seriously, what kind of differences are you expecting?
Better graphics settings at native 4k than say a PS4Pro at 1800p for starters.
But apparently people shouldn't expect much of a difference between a Pro and a Scorpio, to me that's just simply mind blowing.
Vegetable Lasagna
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So if am not wrong in saying Q1 2018 would be December 28, 2017 March 28, 2018 which would mean it would be too late as iirc Scorpio is Hoildays 2017.
Anyways I just like to discuss given we on a discussion forum.
if that is the case we're literally arguing over a couple months of time. I honestly don't know if it will happen, but nothing that has been said discredits it happening either. Both sides need to take a chill pill.
And then you get all your games running at native 4K with XB1 level visuals. Is that the endgame here? Snore.
I'd be more interested in something more substantial than just native 4K resolution. But we likely are going to need a PS5/XB2 for that.
- Better graphics than a PS4Pro
- Native 4K
I'm guessing the end result will probably be around these two points. Only you get to pick one.
I'm honestly wondering what you're expecting now. 6TF isn't really that mindblowing of a figure. I'm certain it'll be put to good use, but you're certainly not going to get something similar to a generational leap.
Chobel
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And you'll get that, but how is that more "blow out of the water" than PS4/XB1 situation?
They can tone down the physics, lighting, animations, audio quality, poly-count as long as they deliver a native 4K premium console experience. Native 4K sells in 2017, not "something more substantial."
A whole Playstation 4 difference between the two should be considered "blown out of the water".
Seems like Gaf only cares about percentages instead tflop differences.
That's my last post on the subject though.
Au contraire. It is common knowledge that resolution and graphics are everything.
Even all my mobile dev friends have this exact philosophy.
Can Crusher
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Percentages aren't biased. I bet you dont think the ps4 blows the xbox one out of the water.
Lol when there's more 1080p games on the PS4 than Xbox one, yeah I do.
I'm not biased, numbers just don't lie.
Finally something we can all agree on
Am just see harmless back and forth I don't think anyone is really taking any of this to heart.
Can Crusher
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We have a different notion of "blowing out of the water".
I remember when the specs for Xbox one were announced, everyone was calling it dead in the water compared to the PS4 because of .500 Tflops difference.
Funny how things change.
bryanee
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Your idea of blows out of the water is really different to mine.
those people were wrong then just like they'd be wrong now in this situation
Chobel
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That's not how it works in real world at all.
And it's not just GAF, there's a reason percentage difference is used way more often than absolute change, and that's because it is way more representative to the actual difference.
It would be cool to have an option for performance increase for 1080p for those who dont really want or need 4k (perhaps even a few extra effects). Options would be nice.
My next TV will be an new 1080p TV not a new 4k TV. 4k is basically being shoved down consumers throat, artificially creating demand for something that is not really needed. Its nice but I'm not really going to tell the difference from 3m away.
My next TV will be an new 1080p TV not a new 4k TV. 4k is basically being shoved down consumers throat, artificially creating demand for something that is not really needed. Its nice but I'm not really going to tell the difference from 3m away.
It will be up to the developers and similar to the Pro situation. Several games offer higher frame rate options along side 4k options
Proelite
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Senjogahara where's your God now.
This generation 900 vs 1080 was a big story, if im not wrong.
Chobel
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So if I'm reading this right El_Chino, you want Pro to be ridiculed for being weak just like XB1 was ridiculed in 2013 (which I'm pretty sure you think it was unfair).
Or (let's make it a bit more positive for you here), you want Scorpio to be considered the best thing ever just like PS4 was in 2013 (which again I'm pretty sure you think it was unfair).
Sure, but Matt isn't some random fanboy here. Matt is a dev who works in the game industry.
Or (let's make it a bit more positive for you here), you want Scorpio to be considered the best thing ever just like PS4 was in 2013 (which again I'm pretty sure you think it was unfair).
Sure, but Matt isn't some random fanboy here. Matt is a dev who works in the game industry.
LukasTaves
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For date no, but she was talking about roadmaps, not product availability.
There's a difference in saying no zen in any semi custom design for 2017 only beyond, and you will see zen for semi custom designs showing up in our roadmaps beyond 2017.
bryanee
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Yeah, an overblown one by some people on the internet. No one cared outside of forums like this.
Memorabilia
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Excited! I've been expecting Zen APU in Scorpio. It'd be a bit of a head scratcher if this thing has a Jaguar CPU.
Come on, etta, no one is saying that the Scorpio isn't a significant leap over the Pro hardware wise. However, most of us definitely wouldn't call a ~40% difference "blowing out of the water", whether it's about the PS4 to XB1 difference or Scorpio to Pro difference. Like Chobel said, percentage differences are often more telling in hardware comparisons. You don't have to be so defensive all the time.
anothertech
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This. Which is why you keep confusing yourself.
You can say 'an entire ps4' worth of difference, but it still doesn't make it any more noteworthy than the Xbone to ps4 differences. 40% is 40%, and that's literally going to make little to no noticeable visual differences to some.
In fact, I think I can recall quite a few instances where you claimed not to see a difference in the Xbone versions of 3rd party games Chino.
The difference will be similar, except with the pro fans exclaiming there is no difference, and the Scorpio fans dissecting every df article to show just how wrong they are
Either way, a 'blow it out of the water' situation this isn't. Especially if it's still in jaguar land. Matt was correct.
No. I just want people to see the power difference for it is. No more, no less.
I just see a lot of downplaying here. Something I didn't quite see when this generation started
I don't think it is going to matter.
I know people that traded in XB1 for XB1 S. Very incremental specs, but wanted 4K Bluray. People will upgrade if they see a reason and cost is there.
I can see MS doing incremental updates every 2 years. Then Sony doing something similar.
Until MS or Sony own their own chip manufacturing, or pay a ton of money to lock the other out of a CPU/GPU gen, it won't matter. They will keep upgrading, and keep the price war going.
2 years we will have anther round, 2 years another round. It won't go 4 plus years of x company being on top anymore for a "whole gen".
I know people that traded in XB1 for XB1 S. Very incremental specs, but wanted 4K Bluray. People will upgrade if they see a reason and cost is there.
I can see MS doing incremental updates every 2 years. Then Sony doing something similar.
Until MS or Sony own their own chip manufacturing, or pay a ton of money to lock the other out of a CPU/GPU gen, it won't matter. They will keep upgrading, and keep the price war going.
2 years we will have anther round, 2 years another round. It won't go 4 plus years of x company being on top anymore for a "whole gen".
the fact of the matter is the power difference didn't really matter much 3 years ago, and it won't matter much now
LiquidSolid
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It was a big story because the differences were far smaller last gen and Microsoft spouted a lot of bullshit over the gap (accusing Sony of lying about their specs, saying the Xbox One was "better balanced", "we CREATED DirectX!" and so on), which resulted in a lot of schadenfreude.
Chobel
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OK, then I'm sorry, my previous post wasn't fair to you. However we've seen the difference between the consoles in the last 3 years, do you think the phrase "blow out of the water" is the right to use when comparing PS4 to XB1? Because that's basically same difference between Pro and Scorpio (relatively and rightfully speaking)
Not gonna say that's not happening, well it is happening in many other threads, but this convo is about what Matt said. So I'm not sure what some other people are saying matters here.
Ironically, considering the 43% power difference between the Scorpio and Pro is very close to the 40% power difference between PS4 and XB1, this time around if a game renders at native 1800p on Pro and native 2160p on Scorpio, they are exactly mirroring their predecessors, with the roles inversed. 1800p is 4x the pixel density of 900p, just as 2160p is 4x the pixel density of 1080p. So, we can expect that kind of difference between the two. Whether it is "blowing out of the water" or just a "significant" difference is subjective, of course.
Not to mention all the "power of the cloud!" bullshit. Basically, all the drama was fabricated by Microsoft themselves because of their ego.
This, also the X1 was more expensive at first, so you are paying more for a weaker system. Lastly the X1 and PS4 released at the same time so obviouslg people are going to talk about the differnce in power a lot, the Scorpio is obviously going to be more powerful than the Ps4 Pro since it released a year later.
At the point of paying a "premium price" why not just build a PC that will REALLY be able to play Oculus games properly without worrying about the CPU?
There is no downplaying...The simple fact is the difference in power between the Pro and Scorpio is almost bang on the difference between an Xbone and a the PS4...You will see similar visual differences...
InsaneTiger
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Is this where we are? 4K resolution to rescue? I sure hope developers aren't tying their hands simply for a better resolution.
Millions of gamers love the Xbox One despite the power difference. Millions of gamers will love the PS4 Pro despite the power difference.
Millions of gamers love the Xbox One despite the power difference. Millions of gamers will love the PS4 Pro despite the power difference.
LukasTaves
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There's more than gpu flops though.Depends on what you consider "much more powerful" but, do the math on the tf numbers as ratios...
PS4:Xbone and Scorpio
You might be surprised at what you find...
Xbone and ps4 had the same amount of memory, about the same CPU, Xbox e even had some advantages like faster clock and esram that in some cases offered a huge bandwidth amount without contention from the main memory.
Pro to Scorpio though, that won't be the case. Scorpio will have more memory and likely a faster CPU also (even if not zen).
Specially the extra memory could make the difference bigger than it was from xbone to ps4, and that's assuming the gpu performance isn't even bigger than the ratio would indicate due it being a newer architecture.
hanspampel
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IF scorpio is using a vega based GPU, the architectural improvements will be the most important part. ps4 and xbox one were both gnc 1.2
this time ps4 pro and xbxox scorpio could be very different
You do realize that the Pro GPU has certain features of the newer Vega architecture, right? Architectural differences won't be as big a factor as you think (or hope).
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