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Screens from Sticky Balls (PSP)
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radioheadrule83
Banned
The graphics aren't anything special, I think DS could pull something very similar off, but I bet this game is cool as hell. The different pattern balls have me thinking a cross between Puzzle Bobble/Bust-a-move and Monkey Ball
cybercrash
Member
That looks awful... Either the PSP has been overhyped and the technology really isn't anything special or these developers are making very little use of the PSP's strengths.
SolidSnakex
Member
"Perhaps work-in-progress and all that, but I remember the demo of the game to promise much more."
This was the demo screens:
The games never looked that good.
This was the demo screens:
The games never looked that good.
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Vennt
Unconfirmed Member
Well, not what I expected.... is this really better than Athlon XP and a 9600XT? Or more like TNT?
Perhaps work-in-progress and all that, but I remember the demo of the game to promise much more.
(Note, there is a point to this parody, see if you can spot it...)
Perhaps work-in-progress and all that, but I remember the demo of the game to promise much more.
(Note, there is a point to this parody, see if you can spot it...)
radioheadrule83
Banned
Yeah, I think these shots show ten times the gameplay potential of the Metal Gear Acid screens for example... I like the look of it! Whos making it?
Freeburn said:Well, not what I expected.... is this really better than Athlon XP and a 9600XT? Or more like TNT?
Perhaps work-in-progress and all that, but I remember the demo of the game to promise much more.
(Note, there is a point to this parody, see if you can spot it...)
Perhaps you're making fun of the fact that I rememberd the game to look much better than it really did? Other than that you are paraphrasing my post to make me look stupid, but that's so obvious that you don't need to point it out.
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Vennt
Unconfirmed Member
daMandus said:
Nope, I don't think it's necessary to make people look stupid, they are generally perfectly capable of doing that unassisted
My point was aimed at your "Well, not what I expected.... is this really better than PlayStation and close to PS2?" line, and the fact that you cannot take one or two titles and/or developers and extrapolate ANYTHING about a platforms performance limits from such a limited sample. Some titles just do not need to have all the latest bells and whistles for one, and not all developers are equal for another. (and this is just scratching the surface of reasons why such exercises are futile and pointless.)
Spiritreaver
Member
I like this game solely due to the fact that the title gives me an erection.
TheDrowningMan
Member
cybercrash said:
They're probably taking heed of Sony's request & holding back considerably because attempting to harness anything like the system's full power drains batteries in minutes.
Nice design choice, Sony.
Is that EXtr33m Tetris with multiblock technology?
Oh, and I played the demo a while ago. I don't see how this looks significantly different, perhaps other than the possible introduction of hills into the game. I don't even think JPickford has anything to do with it nowadays.
Oh, and I played the demo a while ago. I don't see how this looks significantly different, perhaps other than the possible introduction of hills into the game. I don't even think JPickford has anything to do with it nowadays.
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Vennt
Unconfirmed Member
Casting pearls before swine since 1999... :/
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Yeah, thank God DS has that 8x FSAA and it shows
This looks fine btw. Kinda like a SMB, but the style reminds me a bit of Ape Escape for some reason. A simplistic but bright and colorful looking game. You can already see that the image quality at least is very good. No signs of shimmering and other nastiness.
Marconelly:
> Yeah, thank God DS has that 8x FSAA and it shows
NDS graphics are explained by the system's specs. What's PSP's excuse?
> No signs of shimmering and other nastiness.
Have you even looked at the track? There's texture aliasing everywhere.
> Yeah, thank God DS has that 8x FSAA and it shows
NDS graphics are explained by the system's specs. What's PSP's excuse?
> No signs of shimmering and other nastiness.
Have you even looked at the track? There's texture aliasing everywhere.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Haha, keep up the good fight Cybamerc.
How do you know those tiles aren't all polygons?
Anyway,
going off topic here (since it has nothing to do with this particular game) - I don't know what Sony has been saying about level of PSP graphics or whatever, but I do know that the system does plenty of things nicer then the PS2 (Inspite the herecy of using fixed function geometry hardware
However, fact is also that average PSP game budgets are a LOT lower then any of the bigger consoles, so if people expect PS2 production values, they're living in a dream world.
Spiritreaver
Member
Wait wait wait wait, we've seen games like MGS:ACiD and the graphics are pretty top notch for a handheld. Why does the game all of a sudden explain PSP's graphics quality?
Come on guys, I love the DS as well, but this is just silly.
Come on guys, I love the DS as well, but this is just silly.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Fafalada said:How do you know those tiles aren't all polygons?
Anyway,
going off topic here (since it has nothing to do with this particular game) - I don't know what Sony has been saying about level of PSP graphics or whatever, but I do know that the system does plenty of things nicer then the PS2 (Inspite the herecy of using fixed function geometry hardware).
However, fact is also that average PSP game budgets are a LOT lower then any of the bigger consoles, so if people expect PS2 production values, they're living in a dream world.
I would love if you could do object/world space clipping on the CPU+VFPU (you can) and then do T&L of the polygons produced either on the GPU or on the VFPU.
If you use the VFPU, how do you bypass the GPU's T&L unit ? What does this mean for multi-texturing (if polygons are T&L by the VFPU) ?
Fafalada:
> How do you know those tiles aren't all polygons?
I actually did consider that but it doesn't seem likely.
> but I do know that the system does plenty of things nicer then PS2.
I'm not questioning the power or functionality of the hardware but the games simply haven't impressed me so far. Don't get me wrong. The graphics are easily the best seen on a portable but considering the specs I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a lot more.
> How do you know those tiles aren't all polygons?
I actually did consider that but it doesn't seem likely.
> but I do know that the system does plenty of things nicer then PS2.
I'm not questioning the power or functionality of the hardware but the games simply haven't impressed me so far. Don't get me wrong. The graphics are easily the best seen on a portable but considering the specs I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a lot more.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Why wouldn't that be a likely explanation ?
People are complaining because the PSP should be able to do much better. It's perfectly understandable that not every game is going to max out the PSP but so far no game has really delivered the kind of graphics the hardware has potential to do. Until something truly spectacular is shown some ppl (including me) will continue to wonder what's up.neptunes said:
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
8bit I was asking the question to Fafalada and I think he understands what I asked.
To make it simplier: if you Transfrom and Light your polygons in software with the Vector FPU the CPU core has, can you easily upload the display list to the GPU without having to go through the T&L unit in the GPU (technically you could pass through it, but just set things in such a way that the polygons are not affected/changed by the T&L unit except STQ co-ordinates so that the GPU can still handle multi-texturing on its own) ?
To make it simplier: if you Transfrom and Light your polygons in software with the Vector FPU the CPU core has, can you easily upload the display list to the GPU without having to go through the T&L unit in the GPU (technically you could pass through it, but just set things in such a way that the polygons are not affected/changed by the T&L unit except STQ co-ordinates so that the GPU can still handle multi-texturing on its own) ?
SolidSnakex
Member
cybamerc said:
How often do developers pull that amount of potential out of a system on launch games though? It takes a little time before games really start moving visually.
TekunoRobby
Tag of Excellence
The graphics of this game looks pretty decent, very cheery and very clean. I don't expect anything more from a puzzler, everything is detailed just enough and you can easily tell what is going on.
Hell this game looks like fun.
Hell this game looks like fun.
Spiritreaver
Member
I sitll don't see it cybermerc, I came here with nothing and left with it as well.
The tables have turned it seems, but the same arguments made for the DS graphics and easily be made here except with heavier favor to the PSP. These aren't games close to completion, blah blah blah. Meh, so I don't get this idea that we haven't seen near PS2 quality games already. GT4 and MGS aren't reasons to think otherwise?
God, I wish more people had fought the reliability and memory stick arguments with me. Now that I think is more worthy of concern than this. I just don't see any justifiable reasoning behind these claims.
The tables have turned it seems, but the same arguments made for the DS graphics and easily be made here except with heavier favor to the PSP. These aren't games close to completion, blah blah blah. Meh, so I don't get this idea that we haven't seen near PS2 quality games already. GT4 and MGS aren't reasons to think otherwise?
God, I wish more people had fought the reliability and memory stick arguments with me. Now that I think is more worthy of concern than this. I just don't see any justifiable reasoning behind these claims.
Why would they start modelling the tiles when they didn't in the old version? Look at the fine lines between the tiles... did they model those as well. Look at the balls. And unless the whole track is supposed to be able to fall apart what's the point in modelling the tiles?Panajev2001a said:
Ok, I officially know that you're not human, or at partly insane nowPanajev said:
Noone normal could possibly love object/world space clipping... Every T&L GPU I've seen to date(no you're not getting me to talk about PSP GPU directly
) can accept pretransformed polys. It just means skipping the T&L part of the pipeline, not rocket science Oh I agree with that - but consider for a moment the games you've been seeing.Cybamerc said:
A card game...
A port of PC shareware game with balls...
A port of 1st gen PS2 game (TMB) (looks pretty much like original did though)...
etc.
I mean, you don't even need to see these games to know this is lowbudget stuff(even within confines of the target platform)... Now, if we get to see something like MinaGolf at TGS and that looks weak - I'd call that reason to complain (especially since Sony would be idiots to not take advantage of such a great and successfull franchize to show off the capabilities of hardware).
Bluemercury
Member
DarthWufei said:
MGS:Acid is nothing special compared to MGS 2 and TTS, but well there was someone here who believed that snake's model in Acid was better than the Snake in the TTS....so i guess pple tend to see things diferentely.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Fafalada said:Ok, I officially know that you're not human, or at partly insane now
My Computer Graphics teacher had the same look on his face when I asked him to help me a little with such an idea: he kinda liked the challenge too
.I wonder in what space you will have to do 3D clipping on PlayStation 3... "ass-backward space" ?
Still, that is something every PSP programmer has to do.
Clipping is only done on the fron-plane and if you pass the guard-band you polygons gets thrown away.. is everyone going to tessellate the geometry to such a level that the problem becomes a non-issue ?
What is Sony's beef with clipping anyway ? They bother with one plane and they do not replicate the logic to do all planes ?
Every T&L GPU I've seen to date(no you're not getting me to talk about PSP GPU directly
Oh come on, the TGS is almost there and we had three, I repeat three technical presentations about the system specs
.Plus, I can be a pretty good boy in terms of keeping my mouth shut
.[...] can accept pretransformed polys. It just means skipping the T&L part of the pipeline, not rocket science
Cool
.Spiritreaver
Member
Bluemercury said:
Eh, maybe so, I'm going from memory anyways, so maybe I'm reliving the experience a tad differently. There's still GT4 though.
evilromero
Member
Actually, that looks more fun than any of the PSP software I've seen thus far.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Hmm, what's the VFPU used for, then?
The reason I said that though, is because I have first hand experience with writting object space clipper, and it's not really all that fun.Panajev said:My Computer Graphics teacher had the same look on his face when I asked him to help me a little with such an idea: he kinda liked the challenge too
I have half a mind to do just that, let any polygons that are too big get thrown away, blink on screen, and then blame the GPU designer for it. Or at least, I'd be tempted to do that and shove it into the face of the guy that said "2048 is guardband is "big".
And I have no problem discussing what has been said on those presentations. But not what has NOT been saidOh come on, the TGS is almost there and we had three, I repeat three technical presentations about the system specs
Oh no don't get me wrong, VFPU is a work of artMarconelly said:
And that remark was just my personal bit - fixed function hw is better for portable segment from economical standpoint in pretty much every way - easy to work with is their ticket, not fancy bullet point featuresets.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
No, no. I meant, if the T&L is completely fixed function, what do you use that VFPU for? It's a vector FPU, after all :\